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[SinKon]

If today is lynch or lose, the cop needs to role claim immediately! Tell us everything you know, who've you investigated and everything! Narsis, start talking!

[Electric Mango]

I rather expected to log in only to find that I had been lynched, having Kaziocore being the one lynched is peculiar. I'm going to have to spend some time re-reading everything before giving my opinions.

As for the cop, I would not role claim just yet, at least until we've all discussed it first.

With 8 alive, today's lynch will be very important. Most likely lynch or lose, unless the doc protected the night kill.

[Narsis]

I rather expected to log in only to find that I had been lynched, having Kaziocore being the one lynched is peculiar. I'm going to have to spend some time re-reading everything before giving my opinions.

As for the cop, I would not role claim just yet, at least until we've all discussed it first.

With 8 alive, today's lynch will be very important. Most likely lynch or lose, unless the doc protected the night kill.

O.o unless you mean protects the next nk...

[Falzis]

If today is lynch or lose, the cop needs to role claim immediately! Tell us everything you know, who've you investigated and everything! Narsis, start talking!

Do you really think Narsis is the cop? And if ever he is, or is not, he doesn't have to role claim unless he's sure and safe about it. He's smart, he's played a lot of games before.

[Falzis]

Can we get a prod on Samus?

K.

Edited by molestargazer, 12 January 2010 - 05:28 PM.

[Martino]

If today is lynch or lose, the cop needs to role claim immediately! Tell us everything you know, who've you investigated and everything! Narsis, start talking!

I disagree. At the very least we should first discuss the idea of the cop roleclaiming before he actually does it. I also believe that we should first have a discussion about who we suspect and would like to lynch before the cop roleclaims. In fact, I would even prefer us to just have the discussion and do a votecount first. The cop can then decide based on the target if he is going to roleclaim or not. For example, if the cop has only gotten innocent results so far and we are about to lynch someone who he hasn't investigated yet, then I see no reason why the cop should roleclaim. Additionaly, when the cop has at least one guilty result and we are about to lynch someone he knows is scum, then there is no reason to roleclaim either. Alternatively, if he has found a scum and we are about to lynch someone else, he should step forward. Also, if we are about to lynch someone he knows is a townie he should claim. Perhaps we can use a SFOS to indicate a vote for the votecount.

In any case, I was most suspicious of SinKon yesterday and this post certainly does not help his cause.
SFOS SinKon

[Aquinas]

If today is lynch or lose, the cop needs to role claim immediately! Tell us everything you know, who've you investigated and everything! Narsis, start talking!

I take issue with this as well. The cop, I think, should withhold information until he knows we are making a sure mistake at lynch time. Of course, this is at his digression but, there is no reason to out yourself unless it needs to happen. The less the cop is a target the better. It seems at this point that the cop might be the only townie with a really good lead. Although SinKon seems faulty on what he asks the town to do on multiple occasions, it doesn't seem to me that he is doing so maliciously. I've said that before, but its really starting to add up. I'm not sure anymore if posts like this are not thought through or really trying to get townie roles to make a quick unconsidered decision.

I didn't really think that Sir Jesus would get lynched when I put down that first vote for him. In fact, thats one of the reasons I didn't vote for SinKon. I didn't want to vote for someone that close to getting lynched because I wasn't convinced enough of anyone. I had my reasons, sure, but, I didn't think five more votes would fall in behind me that quickly. I do think its strange SinKon has been the one to drop two hammer votes for townies thus far. I think it follows from his brash and upfront play style that if he were a mafia he would have no qualms about trading quick results (lynching townies) for drawing suspicion.

SinKon has been a close second to getting lynched all three days. We've heard ample cases against him and at this point I wouldn't be as shy about lynching him save one thing. CannucksDynasty, there was a post you made in his defense. At the time this was most convincing for me because you had spent the prior two days voting for him. Could you reiterate you defense again? Make it clear exactly why you find SinKon to surely be townie.

For the time being then, FOS: SinKon.

[SinKon]

@Martino
I do not see why I get all these FOSs, if today is lynch or lose, we will lose if we don't lynch a mafia. What is the point of having a cop is he is not going to do anything? About Narsis, I said before that we should test him immediately after he sorta "roleclaim" but NO... you have to point at me, now we are not absolutely sure if he is the cop! Just watch, if we get another role claim today, we have to play "if the price is right" on deciding who is the cop. Today is lynch or lose! WE HAVE TO LYNCH A MAFIA TODAY! If the cop investigated someone and found a mafia, he should tell us and even if he found townie, he should tell us now since it is lynch or lose, we could narrow it down. AND if the cop role claim and is not Narsis, then we will know he is a mafia. All these wouldn't have happend if we tested Narsis yesterday!


@Aquinas
How am I suppose to know that a vote could be a "No I-do-not-mean-to-lynch-you-vote" for me a vote is a vote and that means I want to lynch you. About the cop, fine talk it over and vote to see who wants him to role claim. Just remember that if we don't lynch a mafia today, we lose. What is the point of protecting the cop if he keeps his mouth shut now? WE NEED HIM NOW! IT IS LYNCH OR LOSE!!!
Aquinas, please do not tell me, you did not mean to lynch Sir Jesus and that you did not mean to put that FOS on me because you did. Yes, I am sorry about Sir Jesus, is my first game but I vote what I mean and I mean every vote! That again is: I want to lynch you. If I put a vote on you, that means I want to lynch you. I am pretty sure that is what it means. I just didn't know that you could milk information out before a lynch...

Look, there is nothing to worry about Mr. cop! Today is lynch or lose, if you don't roleclaim, we all die! If you role calim and tell us everything, you will be protected, and live for at least one night because the doctor will protect you. It is lynch or lose. SO SAY SOMETHING!!!!

[Falzis]

If Narsis is the cop, he will only have had 1 valid investigation since he says he has been roleblocked the night before and yesterday. My worry is Narsis might not even be a cop, a mafia or a doctor. That's why it puzzles me why he wasn't killed.

If Narsis isn't the cop, then the real cop should follow what Martino pointed out. I approve following his suggestion as it looks very safe for the cop to guide the town.

[CanucksDynasty]

SinKon has been a close second to getting lynched all three days. We've heard ample cases against him and at this point I wouldn't be as shy about lynching him save one thing. CannucksDynasty, there was a post you made in his defense. At the time this was most convincing for me because you had spent the prior two days voting for him. Could you reiterate you defense again? Make it clear exactly why you find SinKon to surely be townie.

For the time being then, FOS: SinKon.

At the time...Falzis got 3 votes. Then all of a sudden SinKon got 4 votes without so much of a reason from some. I thought that was suspicious enough to get me to dig deeper. I looked at the past vote counts and thought that cuz he was so close to being lynched on D1 and D2 that mafia wouldn't have voted for their own so early in the game. And on D3 he was on the chopping block again. Thus the number of people voting didn't match up to how many townies were left in the game . Therefore I thought he was a townie. I erred in thinking that mafia would not have voted for their own (if SinKon was a mafia).

[Aquinas]

@Aquinas
How am I suppose to know that a vote could be a "No I-do-not-mean-to-lynch-you-vote" for me a vote is a vote and that means I want to lynch you. About the cop, fine talk it over and vote to see who wants him to role claim. Just remember that if we don't lynch a mafia today, we lose. What is the point of protecting the cop if he keeps his mouth shut now? WE NEED HIM NOW! IT IS LYNCH OR LOSE!!!
Aquinas, please do not tell me, you did not mean to lynch Sir Jesus and that you did not mean to put that FOS on me because you did. Yes, I am sorry about Sir Jesus, is my first game but I vote what I mean and I mean every vote! That again is: I want to lynch you. If I put a vote on you, that means I want to lynch you. I am pretty sure that is what it means. I just didn't know that you could milk information out before a lynch...

I did, in fact mean to vote for Sir Jesus. I meant to convey that I did not think there would be such a strong following that he would eventually get lynched. I meant to vote for him, I suspected him of being mafia but, at the time however, I did not think there was enough communal suspicion of Sir Jesus that he would be the one to get lynched. When I voted for him I intended to vote for him knowing what it could mean although I did not think it would come to fruition. I did not, in the least place a "No I-do-not-mean-to-lynch-you-vote". Please, excuse me for suggesting something of the sort if that is indeed what I suggested.

At the time...Falzis got 3 votes. Then all of a sudden SinKon got 4 votes without so much of a reason from some. I thought that was suspicious enough to get me to dig deeper. I looked at the past vote counts and thought that cuz he was so close to being lynched on D1 and D2 that mafia wouldn't have voted for their own so early in the game. And on D3 he was on the chopping block again. Thus the number of people voting didn't match up to how many townies were left in the game . Therefore I thought he was a townie. I erred in thinking that mafia would not have voted for their own (if SinKon was a mafia).

I am a little unclear: Are you now suggesting that SinKon is or is not scum? How confident are you in your quoted reasoning? How definite do you believe the quoted reasoning to be?

[CanucksDynasty]

Actually I think it's time for the cop to roleclaim and reveal his findings.

IF THERE IS 3 MAFIA...
1. Today may be lynch or lose.
2. It only takes 2 wrong townie votes for 3 mafia to pile on (making it their win)
3. It'll narrow down the mafia suspect list down to 4-6 (if Narsis is not cop...if Narsis is cop)

[CanucksDynasty]

I am a little unclear: Are you now suggesting that SinKon is or is not scum? How confident are you in your quoted reasoning? How definite do you believe the quoted reasoning to be?

On D1 and D2 ... I thought he was scum and voted accordingly.
On D3 ... I thought he was being bandwagoned and thought he was town.

At this point...I don't know.

[molestargazer]

Samus has requested replacement. If any dead VTs want to replace back in (as much as I hate doing it), shoot me off a PM.

[Aquinas]

Actually I think it's time for the cop to roleclaim and reveal his findings.

IF THERE IS 3 MAFIA...
1. Today may be lynch or lose.
2. It only takes 2 wrong townie votes for 3 mafia to pile on (making it their win)
3. It'll narrow down the mafia suspect list down to 4-6 (if Narsis is not cop...if Narsis is cop)

I think there are serious alternatives to this list we should consider before implementing it.

What if we all constructed a new format for voting in a 'prospective vote: aquinas' style. This way we can say who we would vote for on the final day without locking it in officially for the scum to manipulate. I know we're in our last game day but, it seems like putting all our cards on the table just yet is unwise...

[Electric Mango]

I promise to be more active soon. I have some hunches but it will require me to sort through a lot of posts and voting patterns and now is just not the time to do it. Hopefully within the next day or so.

No rash voting, we don't want scum doggie piling.

[CanucksDynasty]

I think there are serious alternatives to this list we should consider before implementing it.

What if we all constructed a new format for voting in a 'prospective vote: aquinas' style. This way we can say who we would vote for on the final day without locking it in officially for the scum to manipulate. I know we're in our last game day but, it seems like putting all our cards on the table just yet is unwise...

Ok wait a few days...I doubt much will change from now til then anyways.

[CanucksDynasty]

What really baffles me is that Kaziocore was nk'd.
Why him and not one of the veterans (Martino, me, EM, Narsis)?

[SinKon]

facepalm X 1000
Today is lynch or lose right? Then the cop needs to roleclaim!
If we miss, WE ALL DIE!
We are going round and round but we needs the cop's information.
We would've know for certain if Narsis is the cop if you guys listened to me and test him out immediately after he roleclaimed. We wouldn't be in this mess because there must be a doctor. If there is a roleblocker, there is a doctor!
Mr. Cop! if you are not Narsis, that will make it easy. WE WILL LYNCH NARSIS!
NARSIS, if you are the cop, START TALKING!!!

WE HAVE A DOCTOR! DON'T WORRY!

[Narsis]

SinKon:

first, i would be one of the stupidest cops to roleclaim now with any info.
second, i'm really surprised that the vets werent killed. i do have a hunch though:

if they think i'm the cop...and they assume that there is a doc...isnt the traditional mafia plan to rb the cop and nk the person you think to be the doc?