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[Ali bin Turban]

I need to catch some sleep before work so here's some fast thoughts (rest tomorrow when I have more time):

 

KevinH is doing what he usually does (and that's not cool - you can't tell because of that who is he). It's a little odd he's been awarding SM with townies points again - when in this case it wasn't really deserved(as I've mentioned in #346). It's definitely not enough to say that they're connected, but I'd like to hear what's Kevin explanation about that.

 

Wolfpack - still hasn't explained his actions and Lego's vote on him was meaningless (though to be fair Lego could have not realized that), but I'm not convinced about him now. Were we indeed so lucky that we've been choosing between two scums on D2?

 

Why lynching Rafay? He managed to sound scummy already with so little posts (but that's usual him)...though are there any other reason apart from him being not useful as usually (and getting confirmation from D2 wagon if he turns scum)?

[Finster Baby]

I still lean towards Wolfpacks being scum. Rafay has me befuddled with his posting methods and such. I can't get even a tiny read on him.

Lego, IMO, saw the net closing around him and he panicked. It happens.

Not ready to vote. But the FOS is pointed FIRMLY at Wolfpacks.

[Samus]

so nobody has anything to share from last night?

[iSocialism]

The two townies that have died, seem to be just regular VT. This may not be a role madness game.

[KevinH]

KevinH is doing what he usually does (and that's not cool - you can't tell because of that who is he).

 

It's not cool that I provide superior analysis?

The fact is that nobody can know who is scum on Day 1 and it is pointless to try.

On Day 2, the ultimately lynched scum was on my list.

 

It's a little odd he's been awarding SM with townies points again - when in this case it wasn't really deserved(as I've mentioned in #346). It's definitely not enough to say that they're connected, but I'd like to hear what's Kevin explanation about that.

 

Wasn't deserved?

 

• When Rhizoctonia switched to Legoboyvdlp, it put Legoboyvdlp at 4 and Wolfpacks at 3.
• At that point there were a couple hours left with a possibility that 2 of 5 (Lyner, Sister Midnight, Rafay, Mazuurek, and me) could switch to Wolfpacks and save Legoboyvdlp. (excluding those already on Legoboyvdlp)
• Sister Midnight went with Legoboyvdlp and sealed the lynch.

That doesn't seem townie to you?

 

FoS: Ali bin Turban
 

[Preston]

The downside to a Monday holiday is that Tuesday feels like a Monday and just drags ON... ugh. I've been able to watch this some from my phone, but now's my first chance getting back to actually type a response. So let's wade into it...

One final datapoint: Since I was trying to post when the thread locked, I also got to see who was watching the thread when it ended. While I was reading/posting and after the thread locked, I saw the following names: TheWarrior, Preston, Lyner, KevinH, Lego, Samus, Wolfpacks, Rhizoctonia, Ali Bin Turban

Is there any special meaning to who was on when night fell? I happened to be on, too, but it seems the board didn't recognize me. If Lego was on and was scum, does that tend to mean that scum is usually on at the moment of nightfall? When I was scum I seldom was on at nightfall, except when I was lynched. Perhaps all the people on when night fell were townies, except for Lego?

The meaning I drew from it was to see who was watching the outcome, even if they were not posting or responding to the rapid last-minute conversations. Sometimes it can reveal lurkers who want to see the outcome without influencing it one way or the other. Lyner and KevinH feel like they fall into that category for me; Lyner's last post was at 2:40 AM, and Kevin's was at 10 AM with an unofficial vote count. Both of their votes stayed on Rafay at day's end, letting everyone else decide the wagons.
 

One of the lynchers could be scum....

And welcome back? After your close call it's gratifying to see you posting again, but I can't help but shake the feeling you are posting this early in the day explicitly to establish your presence so you won't get an inactive vote again. Please do be active and contribute this time - You were not my first choice vote yesterday, but eyes are definitely still on you today.
 

Rafay has appeared, so my vote goes to least active.
 
Vote: Mazuurek

This seems... a little too logical and safe, Kevin, to throw your metrics-based vote so early in the day. As it is, Mazuurek ended up finally posting - you comment they need to catch up - so who now is next?

i'm sorry for deciding not to vote then D:

On the one hand, welcome back - On the other hand, 'deciding' not to vote? Interesting word choice.

Ali provided a useful list of vote posts that refuses to copy/paste right for multiquote, so just refer to it above. He points out that Rhizo's vote was a turning point; however looking at it again I also find that KH's -1 on Raafy/+1 on Lego vote was significant. Prior to KH's vote, Rafay was at 4 votes first and would have been lynched at deadline - Wolfpacks was tied at 4 votes but was second to reach that number. KH's vote for Lego actually meant Wolfpacks was suddenly first in line for the lynch; Rafay went to 3 at the same time Lego went to 3, while Wolfpacks was still at 4. Rhizo's vote took Lego to 4 at the same time Wolfpacks went back down to 3. So it feels like both KH and Rhizo carried the day yesterday, which means I should probably look at KH more favorably now.

With that said - we are now apparently at the point where people make references and allusions to roles and night information to teasingly bait people. It's a little frustrating to see people do a tease-claim like this because it runs the risk of killing conversation until the teases follow through. We have had three of them so far:

Finster: I have no info from overnight that will prove relevant to the future of the town. I now need to look at the posts from when I was on holiday a bit more carefully in order to discern where I should look next.
KingHitler: With my pointless role, we don't lose much there.
Samus: But anyway I have some (interesting?) news from last night to share, but will see how the day goes

So the onus is now on these people who have started to roleclaim to finish the job before any REAL discussion may take place; no matter what is said before, expect the voting landscape to possibly shift when each bit of information comes out.

However for what it's worth until that happens, here is my current list of those I am paying particular attention to:
KevinH - playing it perhaps a little too statistically safe and impartial today, and let yesterday end while staying on the sidelines.
Lyner - Lurked at the end, doing the same sideline-watching with KevinH. Both were on the Rafay wagon at the end and watching how the votes fell.
Rafay - Per above the fact that Rafay was one of the FIRST posts of the day is notable, after so long of silence. Please do more than just say lynching you would be another townie, actually contribute.
Finster - I had a FoS here yesterday, and he remains of significant interest... however he was also the 2nd vote on Lego. Was this a smoke screen, not believing the Lego wagon would get enough votes to go anywhere?

I am on the fence whether to include Wolfpacks here or not. I ironically still stand by the wagon on him having been better than the sheer-inactivity wagon on Rafay yesterday, but in light of Lego's scumminess I am wondering how much towniness that confers Wolfpacks. The Lego wagon came out of nowhere, and until the VERY end it was Wolfpacks vs Rafay... the Lego wagon did not seem to be in opposition to the other two so much as it rapidly snowballed with votes from them both. I'm not sure how to read that. Thoughts?

Now, in terms of whom I so far think is *TOWN*...
Samus - Started the Lego wagon.
King Hitler - Per my examination of Ali's vote post list above, KH's shift from Rafay to Lego was significant along with Rhizo's; without removing the 4th vote from Rafay, Lego would not have been in front.

So let's see how everything else goes from here; expect this will be an interesting day.

-Preston

[Sister Midnight]

I find it weird that Ali is determined to not give me credit for switching to lego. As Kev said, I did it with plenty of time to spare before the lunch, and it sealed the deal on Lego. Even if everyone who wasn't voting for Lego joined together, the best outcome for Lego was a tie. What happens when there is a tie, btw? Anybody?

Right now, Ali's comments are starting to sound scummy to me, but my gut is leaning towards Maz and Rafay as well. This is largely because of their inactivity, but also I just have a feeling that either Maz or Rafay could be scum. So I guess I'm fingering all three, Maz, Rafay, and Ali. To be honest, I have suspicions about King H too, again it is a gut reaction, there's something about his air of authority that makes me uncomfortable, but I'm not ready to finger him at this point.

[Sister Midnight]

EDIT: I posted at the same time as Preston and he pointed out something I missed, King h voted early for Lego, which makes me less suspicious of him.

[Preston]

I just posted a wall-o-text, but given that this seems to be a developing point of conversation right now I'll weigh in - plus I just finished reading a bunch of posts so it's all fresh in my mind.

I find it weird that Ali is determined to not give me credit for switching to lego. As Kev said, I did it with plenty of time to spare before the lunch, and it sealed the deal on Lego. Even if everyone who wasn't voting for Lego joined together, the best outcome for Lego was a tie. What happens when there is a tie, btw? Anybody?

Right now, Ali's comments are starting to sound scummy to me, but my gut is leaning towards Maz and Rafay as well. This is largely because of their inactivity, but also I just have a feeling that either Maz or Rafay could be scum. So I guess I'm fingering all three, Maz, Rafay, and Ali. To be honest, I have suspicions about King H too, again it is a gut reaction, there's something about his air of authority that makes me uncomfortable, but I'm not ready to finger him at this point.

From Ali's voting post list earlier, it feels like Ali's opinion is that Rhizo's vote "Sealed the deal" on Lego - that any vote after it was the equivalent of a 'me too' to join the winning side - and hence SM's vote was superfluous at best and a scum seeking cover of the winning wagon at worst.

KevinH correctly points out without SM's 5th vote for Lego, it would have been easier for shifting votes to change the landscape again - hence her vote DID have some value and was not superfluous.

Ali has not yet responded to what Kevin said on the matter.

-Preston

[Preston]

Post #314: Rhizo seals the fate: +1 on Lego - 1 on Wolfpacks. It's all decided now (Lego is the first one to reach required number of votes to by lynched).
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Post #316: SM -1 on Rafay, +1 on Lego

Here is the relevant line from Ali's post that I should have included in my post a moment ago; after I hit post I figured the actual line would help with clarity. The phrasing seems pretty conclusive that he thought Rhizo's vote was the important one and SM's was secondary, he even had a dashed line separating them.

Now here's a fun question: if we assume for the moment that Ali is scum and this was how he interpreted the votes, could this be why Rhizo was chosen as the night's kill?

-Preston

[Mazuurek]

i think i can vote? if can i vote SM :3

[Lyner]

I heard Rafay and Samus have something to share?

[Samus]

I heard Rafay and Samus have something to share?

that your lurking habits make you scum more and more.

 

either way I know who scum is and before the day is up, I will start a wagon on them.

[KevinH]

either way I know who scum is and before the day is up, I will start a wagon on them.

 

I don't know whom you will name, but we must be cautious ...

 

It is interesting to find these differences from "Normal":

• Insane Cop
• Flavor Cop
• Framer
• Mafia Godfather
• Nurse

The take-away is that we need to be hesitant to rely on investigations.

 

 

On the other hand, go with what you know until proven otherwise.

[Ali bin Turban]

 

KevinH is doing what he usually does (and that's not cool - you can't tell because of that who is he).

 

It's not cool that I provide superior analysis?

The fact is that nobody can know who is scum on Day 1 and it is pointless to try.

On Day 2, the ultimately lynched scum was on my list.

 

It's a little odd he's been awarding SM with townies points again - when in this case it wasn't really deserved(as I've mentioned in #346). It's definitely not enough to say that they're connected, but I'd like to hear what's Kevin explanation about that.

 

Wasn't deserved?

 

• When Rhizoctonia switched to Legoboyvdlp, it put Legoboyvdlp at 4 and Wolfpacks at 3.
• At that point there were a couple hours left with a possibility that 2 of 5 (Lyner, Sister Midnight, Rafay, Mazuurek, and me) could switch to Wolfpacks and save Legoboyvdlp. (excluding those already on Legoboyvdlp)
• Sister Midnight went with Legoboyvdlp and sealed the lynch.

That doesn't seem townie to you?

 

FoS: Ali bin Turban
 

 

Oh lol...now I see my single line, when taken out of the context of my previous posts actually looks awful .  But it's not a question if SM move was townie or not (I'm not questioning SM motives). It's a question of why SM's move was viewed as more important than Rhizo's (For full context see my post #341 - last sentence, when I'm asking why double for SM and not Rhizo). When I'm saying "not deserved" I constantly mean that "double".

 

For me it's simple: Should Rhizo not vote Lego wouldn't be lynched (but Wolfpack instead). Should SM not vote actually nothing would change. Rhizo pushed Wolfpack out of lynch zone and hammered the vote on Lego and in my eyes that was way, way bigger town indication than joining the wagon 'just in case' (and I'd say almost every lynch I've seen in my not so long, 3-games career ended on that decisive moment of hammering the vote on one of the wagons).

 

That's all before I get to work.

[Rafay]

Please do be active and contribute this time - You were not my first choice vote yesterday, but eyes are definitely still on you today.

 

I will. But I wish I had a power role. That'd helped me contribute more.

 

Also I think Wolfpacks is playing too defensively and generally behaving in a scummy way esp since D2. 

[Finster Baby]

Rafay speaks the truth here.

I'd like to see Wolfpacks come in and defend his actions and his comments.

[Sister Midnight]

 

KevinH is doing what he usually does (and that's not cool - you can't tell because of that who is he).

 
It's not cool that I provide superior analysis?
The fact is that nobody can know who is scum on Day 1 and it is pointless to try.
On Day 2, the ultimately lynched scum was on my list.
 

It's a little odd he's been awarding SM with townies points again - when in this case it wasn't really deserved(as I've mentioned in #346). It's definitely not enough to say that they're connected, but I'd like to hear what's Kevin explanation about that.

 
Wasn't deserved?
 

• When Rhizoctonia switched to Legoboyvdlp, it put Legoboyvdlp at 4 and Wolfpacks at 3.
• At that point there were a couple hours left with a possibility that 2 of 5 (Lyner, Sister Midnight, Rafay, Mazuurek, and me) could switch to Wolfpacks and save Legoboyvdlp. (excluding those already on Legoboyvdlp)
• Sister Midnight went with Legoboyvdlp and sealed the lynch.

That doesn't seem townie to you?
 
FoS: Ali bin Turban
 
 

Oh lol...now I see my single line, when taken out of the context of my previous posts actually looks awful .  But it's not a question if SM move was townie or not (I'm not questioning SM motives). It's a question of why SM's move was viewed as more important than Rhizo's (For full context see my post #341 - last sentence, when I'm asking why double for SM and not Rhizo). When I'm saying "not deserved" I constantly mean that "double".
 
For me it's simple: Should Rhizo not vote Lego wouldn't be lynched (but Wolfpack instead). Should SM not vote actually nothing would change. Rhizo pushed Wolfpack out of lynch zone and hammered the vote on Lego and in my eyes that was way, way bigger town indication than joining the wagon 'just in case' (and I'd say almost every lynch I've seen in my not so long, 3-games career ended on that decisive moment of hammering the vote on one of the wagons).
 
That's all before I get to work.

Wasn't Rhizo proved to be town already? Why are you bringing his towniness up? Weird again.

[Samus]

Wasn't Rhizo proved to be town already? Why are you bringing his towniness up? Weird again.

 

[KevinH]

My thoughts on everybody

• Wolfpacks - Not so much scummy, but confusing. He should have changed his vote to avoid his own lynch but didn't do so.  Why didn't the scum push for his lynch instead? Either 1) he was scum and it didn't matter whether he or Legoboyvdlp got lynched, or 2) the scum did try to lynch him and failed due to inactive players while some were trying.  My working theory is the latter.
• Finster Baby - in on the lynch of Legoboyvdlp.  I don't care if he switches votes many times as long as he finishes on scum.
• Samus - Led the lynch of Legoboyvdlp which gives a lot of townie cred
• KevinH - I'm townie and I know it. I didn't vote for Legoboyvdlp but had him on my list.
• Sister Midnight - Put the last vote on Legoboyvdlp which a scum would not have done. Almost as much townie cred as Samus, despite what Ali bin Turban may say.
• Preston - My favorite Gryffindor Student.  Even though he didn't vote for Legoboyvdlp and was on Wolfpacks' wagon, his analysis seems very townie.
• Ali bin Turban - Didn't vote for Legoboyvdlp and was on Wolfpacks' wagon. Seems like he's trying to confuse things by raising doubt about Sister Midnight.  He's not a Gryffindor Student or Helpful Hogwarts Staff. Maybe be one of the scum trying to save Legoboyvdlp?
• King Hitler - in on the lynch of Legoboyvdlp.  Posts seem analytically townie.
• iSocialism - Didn't vote for Legoboyvdlp and was on Wolfpacks' wagon.  Maybe be one of the scum trying to save Legoboyvdlp?
• Lyner - Didn't vote for Legoboyvdlp but was not on Wolfpack's wagon.  Raised the idea about scum trying to save Legoboyvdlp by focusing on Wolfpacks.
• Rafay - Didn't vote.  Might be the inactive scum that didn't save Legoboyvdlp.
• Mazuurek - Didn't vote.  Might be the inactive scum that didn't save Legoboyvdlp.