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[Ali bin Turban]

You are Professor McGonagall, a Hogwarts Cop.
Night 1
I investigated KevinH
Result: Normal Hogwarts Student/Staff

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

Night 3 i investigated Rhizo
Result: Normal Hogwarts Student/Staff

Now
you understand why i was suspicious of Ali, but as no one listened and just chucked accusations at me i kinda cooled on it, i was trying to keep my role underwraps which is why i didnt over defend myself, but now that the scum know im a good guy cop, you have now signed my death warrent. Cheers
 

 

i wasnt really suspicuous of COD until now but i doubt if i have a role to claim i would live much beyond this night

Wolfpacks can you also explain this sentence? Are you telling us you have no PR?

I said it my last post but will say it again, i was trying to give it underwraps, if i gave it way to early i would be killed at night then ill be no help to town at all, but to just prove i was being helpful i had to role claim, this is the reason i suspect COD and Yehom whether you wrote it or not Yehom i read it as you wanting a role claim.

 

Wow, this game has got much more interesting, especially given I'm a town.

 

I'm assuming you're cop indeed, since your D3 behavior confirms that (your vote on me). You can't be naive / paranoid cop - in this case you'd get consistent results (only guilty or only innocent). If you were insane cop, you'd get opposite results, however I don't think that's the case (I just don't see Rhizo being on the same team as KevinH, given the fact
that he's been voting on him). Assuming you're town cop, the only option is that there is a Framer around.

 

 

 

 

 

Well this day keeps getting interesting. From other games, I always see this as a bad thing.

Then why are you not doing anything? You didn't took any stance here. Didn't ask any questions, didn't make a vote. Are you just waiting for the things to happen on their own?

[Sister Midnight]

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 
 
Well this day keeps getting interesting. From other games, I always see this as a bad thing.

Non-helpful is an alarming prefix, I don't know what that means, but clearly it isn't good. Does that mean he's some form of murderous student, like serial killer? Could he be scum with a student color identity? Could he be a PR townie with a destructive modifier, like "insane?"

The fact that Wolfy is RCing may make him town, Can he be a scum who can identify roles? I realize he might be insane, but insane cops are town, right? I'm very curious to see if anyone counter claims him. I'm also inclined to believe the role claim because he is too new to the game to make this up.

[Ali bin Turban]

I'm confused on if he was scum, you'd be gone comment. If he was scum, taking you out last night would of probably put more suspicion on him since you were the only one looking to lynch him. Not saying that would necessarily mean he'd get lynched, but would bring more attention to him when at the moment you're the only one suspecting him.

 

I was thinking the same thing and I believe he thinks his vote/actions were obvious indication that he knows something about me. If I were a scum, I could indeed got stressed by his accusation and start thinking that he may know something. Though, being a town I've obviously seen him being mistaken and there were no facts to connect for me (just as you couldn't connect them).

 

As I've mentioned before, Wolfpacks vote on me on D3 added him credibility. Should I vote on him last day, he could get into trouble...yet he did his best to aggravate me, by placing his vote on me - this was unlikely for a scum.

Also sometimes he acts strangely, but it's just like he did on the previous games and his current line of defense is very similar to first HP game (he was town then too).

Last thing I couldn't wrap my head around was the idea that he considered KevinH to be scum hunting. Now it fits right on the spot...and I don't think we'll see any counterclaim...which will finally validate Wolfpacks RC. 

[Yehom]

Finally we're playing with something now that Wolfpacks has finally shed some light on this game. Wolfpacks has single handedly taken away doubt for almost half the town now with 4 people being proven as townies. Although i don't know what 'non-helpful' should mean. Does it have to do with being vanilla or having a PR? Even if that were the case, the wording is kind of strange as Kevin and Rhizo were 'normal'. It doesn't get more normal than vanilla does it?

 

That being said the following people have not been completely proven as townies

Chaplain of Death: RC to be a follower, which I want to believe, but he followed Lyner (who was killed N1) and Wolfpacks who has confirmed himself as town. I'd say he's 80/20 town as there is still a possibility that he's scum claiming to be a townie with powers trying to get Wolfpacks lynched D4.

 

D34THBR1NG3R: No read what so ever on this guy as he's pretty inactive. 

 

iSocialism: His predecessor Maz played really poorly (if you even consider what he did playing), iSoc himself so far has been every on/off. Analysis was given last day, but that's about it contribution wise. 

 

King Hitler: Has made some good posts, leaning towards town more

 

Mandarijn: I'm really 50/50 about Manda. His 3 days in game absent was standing out pretty heavily. Want to hear more from him to get a good read. 

 

Sister Midnight: Overall always late to the party it seems. Posts have been nothing new, seems to be side with whatever wagon is popular. Last posts of D3 were very suspect. 

 

I'm leaning on voting for SM, but I'm willing to hear her side of the argument

[Ali bin Turban]

This all also means that we should have confirmed townies:

 

- Rhizo, KevinH ( ), Wolfpacks, and most probably CoD (as I mentioned, I don't understand his move, but definitely don't see much reason for him to come out like that when being a scum).

- I'm not a scum (I'm a VT, so it won't help me defend myself) and I'll appreciate if town does not make any lynch rushes...especially that it would put town in LYLO situation tomorrow.

 

That leaves us with probably 4 scums hiding among the rest:

 

- Mandarijn, who sounds like a town. He also came out with his "town signature move" (condensated wagon analysis). Also why would he try put so much effort in posting when he finally showed up if he didn't care about town?

 

- D34THBR1NG3R

- SeeBeeGipson

- Sister Midnight

- Isoc

- Yehom

[SeaBeeGipson]

Unvote.
If the RC is right, AbT has my vote. Unhelpful is usually an indication of scum. I wouldnt mark Rhizo or Kevin out of being a godfather but looks like we wait for a counter claim. If there isn't one. We know who to lynch.

[Ali bin Turban]

Also why are some of you dancing around "non-helpful" indication? It's really straightforward and it means scum (and most of you know it since the first HP game).

[Yehom]

Also why are some of you dancing around "non-helpful" indication? It's really straightforward and it means scum (and most of you know it since the first HP game).

 

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 

So what are you saying? 

[Ali bin Turban]

Oh and SBG's right...I got carried away, KevinH/Rhizo are indeed not confirmed yet.

 

 

Also why are some of you dancing around "non-helpful" indication? It's really straightforward and it means scum (and most of you know it since the first HP game).

 

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 

So what are you saying? 

 

Check again my previous posts. Wolfpacks got a scum - read on me. However I'm a town and this read is faked, either by Wolfpacks not being a sane cop or by Framer being in play. I don't think former is true (I've explained that already), so the latter must be the case.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Oh and SBG's right...I got carried away, KevinH/Rhizo are indeed not confirmed yet.
 

 

Also why are some of you dancing around "non-helpful" indication? It's really straightforward and it means scum (and most of you know it since the first HP game).

 

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 
So what are you saying? 
 

Check again my previous posts. Wolfpacks got a scum - read on me. However I'm a town and this read is faked, either by Wolfpacks not being a sane cop or by Framer being in play. I don't think former is true (I've explained that already), so the latter must be the case.

Remember scum had a cop last game. This could also be WP is a scum cop and trying to get a lynch on AbT. I'm not saying I'm defending you, I just dont want another mislynch and want all options on the table.

[Yehom]

And just as you think you're starting to get the hang of this whole mafia thing, I learn today that scum have cop roles too. 

[Chaplain of death]

unvote

Thank you for finally giving us something to work with WP. I claimed and outed you because the town needed the information. You were either a townie who needed to claim, or a scum who refused to do so for obvious reasons.

Id like everyone to remember that WP could still be a scum false claiming. Especially given that Lyner was a role cop. Having a role cop and a normal cop with no modifiers is unlikely, except for the presence of a godfather. Which would make sense to me (peter pettigrew).

Given no counter claims im inclined to believe his claim, but im still wary of fake claims considering how pulling that claim out of you was like pulling teeth. Unfortunetly for ABT if you are telling the truth then that sucks for the town as we have no choice but to act on the information provided.

If you have good information to act on its okay to claim death (so far as i know).

((TW if he has relevant info its alright to role claim yeah?))

[D34THBR1NG3R]

As soon as I/ if I get TW approval I'll share my findings. It has nothing directly related but it might prove some innocent and others liars

[KevinH]

As soon as I/ if I get TW approval I'll share my findings. It has nothing directly related but it might prove some innocent and others liars

 

Unless you have some special role, you don't need approval to share results. The dilemma of sharing results is that it might put a target on you.

 

 

• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.

 

 

The intent behind the rule against mass role-claiming is so that a game-breaking strategy isn't found initially and the fun of the game is lost. It's acceptable to role-claim to save yourself or share information.

 

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 

Possibilities

1. A Framer framed Ali bin Turban
2. Wolfpacks is making things up
3. Ali bin Turban is scum

 
Occam's Razor states that the simplest solution is the best.

Vote: Ali bin Turban
 

[Sister Midnight]

As soon as I/ if I get TW approval I'll share my findings. It has nothing directly related but it might prove some innocent and others liars

 
Unless you have some special role, you don't need approval to share results. The dilemma of sharing results is that it might put a target on you.
 

 

• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.

 

 
The intent behind the rule against mass role-claiming is so that a game-breaking strategy isn't found initially and the fun of the game is lost. It's acceptable to role-claim to save yourself or share information.
 

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 
Possibilities

• A Framer framed Ali bin Turban
• Wolfpacks is making things up
• Ali bin Turban is scum

 Occam's Razor states that the simplest solution is the best.Vote: Ali bin Turban
 

Well thank you for clarifying what nonhelpful could mean. I really wasn't certain.

VOTE: ALI BIN TURBIN

[KevinH]

Note that Naïve Cop and Paranoid Cop have been added. I believe that this is an indication that there is a good chance that the roles exist in this game.
 
I believe Chaplain of Death is a townie follower,  I believe Wolfpacks is a townie cop of some sort.

 
 

@KevinH - why would you mention those roles at this very right moment? What makes you think either of them is a town? Why would be having a role an indication that someone is a town? Show your reasoning.

 

Umm...because I just discovered it at that very right moment.

Chaplain of Death made the claim that Wolfpacks investigated. I went looking at the roles to see which ones could be "investigative". (That's scum-hunting)

I concede that having a follower or cop role does not necessarily mean that they are town-aligned. However, that would be an unusual setup and I don't see any evidence that is happening.

 

All that said, it seems obvious to me.  Why raise doubts unless there is an ulterior motive? (More scum-hunting)

[Ali bin Turban]

 

Possibilities

1. A Framer framed Ali bin Turban
2. Wolfpacks is making things up
3. Ali bin Turban is scum

 
Occam's Razor states that the simplest solution is the best.

Vote: Ali bin Turban
 

 

So that's your explanation for your notorious tactic of always voting on ppl with least votes. This one will turn just as good.

 

 

Note that Naïve Cop and Paranoid Cop have been added. I believe that this is an indication that there is a good chance that the roles exist in this game.
 
I believe Chaplain of Death is a townie follower,  I believe Wolfpacks is a townie cop of some sort.

 
 

@KevinH - why would you mention those roles at this very right moment? What makes you think either of them is a town? Why would be having a role an indication that someone is a town? Show your reasoning.

 

Umm...because I just discovered it at that very right moment.

Chaplain of Death made the claim that Wolfpacks investigated. I went looking at the roles to see which ones could be "investigative". (That's scum-hunting)

I concede that having a follower or cop role does not necessarily mean that they are town-aligned. However, that would be an unusual setup and I don't see any evidence that is happening.

 

All that said, it seems obvious to me.  Why raise doubts unless there is an ulterior motive? (More scum-hunting)

 

Wolfpacks was being pressured to show his investigation results, but he didn't want to do it and at that exact moment you came and show new cop roles that has been added - it looked as if you were setting up an explanation (to cover him) why his investigation results might not be accurate.

 

Well thank you for clarifying what nonhelpful could mean. I really wasn't certain.

VOTE: ALI BIN TURBIN

 

Non-helpful was always present in HP games. Right in here you were 100% certain and jumped on immediately: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57842-tw-03-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets-mafia-basilisk-wins/page-29#entry876906

[Ali bin Turban]

Id like everyone to remember that WP could still be a scum false claiming. Especially given that Lyner was a role cop. Having a role cop and a normal cop with no modifiers is unlikely, except for the presence of a godfather. Which would make sense to me (peter pettigrew). Given no counter claims im inclined to believe his claim, but im still wary of fake claims considering how pulling that claim out of you was like pulling teeth. Unfortunetly for ABT if you are telling the truth then that sucks for the town as we have no choice but to act on the information provided.

 

Yeah that sucks for the town because this investigation info is wrong. "Having no choice" sounds like an excuse from thinking of alternatives. We're not at D2 where we can lynch whomever we want and get away with it. If town will make a wrong decision today, then tomorrow it will be 5 town vs 4 scum and there will be not much info to get from yet another townie lynched.

 

So far we've seen 3 new roles in HP series: Bodyguard, Commuter and Follower. As KevinH's mentioned we've also seen addition of possible roles of Naive and Paranoid Cop. That may indicate that while TW is introducing new roles he may also want to try a different approach towards cop investigation and replace old format of cop <-> godfather with something new.

I know I've been framed (I find it hard to believe that both KevinH and Rhizo are scum so there's no other possibility), though there's no way to prove it until I get killed or at least until Framer is revealed. It's now your job to make an assessment about risk vs reward. You may follow investigation results blindly or may take other factors into consideration. It's not that there's only one scum left and we have plenty of room to make mistakes. We're in a tight spot, but also with the amount of scum lurking around it's not that hard to find them. Its your decision if I've been helpful to the town enough to make this leap of faith.

 

 

Whatever you'll do I'm going to support town for as long as I live. Giving more thought to the situation my conclusions are:

- I believe Wolfpacks is a standard town cop (he could be paranoid cop, but that would mean Rhizo was playing with fire by pushing for KevinH lynch...so that's less possible).

- I believe there's no godfather in play (godfather + framer seems to be a bit to harsh for the town, also different town roles we're seeing this time may indicate there has been a shuffle on the scum side).

 

That means KevinH, Rhizo, Wolfpacks, CoD are townies (I'm also town...though obviously there's no proof for that) and there are most probably 4 scum hiding among Mandarijn (whom I think is a town), D34THBR1NG3R, SeeBeeGipson, Sister Midnight, Isoc, Yehom.

 

Since Death has already mentioned he has a PR, he's painted target on his back (unless he's scum), so it would be good for him to share his findings as it may help us thin out the suspect herd.

[Ali bin Turban]

Also if you're planning to vote me anyway, don't do it just yet. There's plenty of time till Tuesday to make a vote and quite a big risk for the scum to pile on and end the day prematurely, with perfect excuse of cop result.

[Chaplain of death]

Unfortunately with Wolfpacks reluctance to role claim and the fact that hes a normal cop which doesn't reveal a role name, it would be a very easy claim to fake (name a couple people as townies who aren't on your scum team and then label a townie as scum to get the town to lynch their own, when it comes back claim mafia framer must have changed your result).

 

IMO with the uncertainty that comes from our current situation I believe its in our best interest to not lynch ABT today. If Wolfpacks is killed we will know if ABT is scum based on WP's role and can lynch him at that point, but I'm still hesitant to trust Wolf after his refusal to claim and his all over the place "scum hunting". 

 

In the meantime SM is lurking pretty hard. She hasn't been contributing to the discussion but shows up enough to try to stay off the lurk/inactive radar, and throws her votes around while feigning ignorance (good catch on that quote ABT). 

Can we get a vote count please and thank you!

 

Id like everyone to remember that WP could still be a scum false claiming. Especially given that Lyner was a role cop. Having a role cop and a normal cop with no modifiers is unlikely, except for the presence of a godfather. Which would make sense to me (peter pettigrew). Given no counter claims im inclined to believe his claim, but im still wary of fake claims considering how pulling that claim out of you was like pulling teeth. Unfortunetly for ABT if you are telling the truth then that sucks for the town as we have no choice but to act on the information provided.

 

Yeah that sucks for the town because this investigation info is wrong. "Having no choice" sounds like an excuse from thinking of alternatives. We're not at D2 where we can lynch whomever we want and get away with it. If town will make a wrong decision today, then tomorrow it will be 5 town vs 4 scum and there will be not much info to get from yet another townie lynched.

 

So far we've seen 3 new roles in HP series: Bodyguard, Commuter and Follower. As KevinH's mentioned we've also seen addition of possible roles of Naive and Paranoid Cop. That may indicate that while TW is introducing new roles he may also want to try a different approach towards cop investigation and replace old format of cop <-> godfather with something new.

I know I've been framed (I find it hard to believe that both KevinH and Rhizo are scum so there's no other possibility), though there's no way to prove it until I get killed or at least until Framer is revealed. It's now your job to make an assessment about risk vs reward. You may follow investigation results blindly or may take other factors into consideration. It's not that there's only one scum left and we have plenty of room to make mistakes. We're in a tight spot, but also with the amount of scum lurking around it's not that hard to find them. Its your decision if I've been helpful to the town enough to make this leap of faith.

 

 

Whatever you'll do I'm going to support town for as long as I live. Giving more thought to the situation my conclusions are:

- I believe Wolfpacks is a standard town cop (he could be paranoid cop, but that would mean Rhizo was playing with fire by pushing for KevinH lynch...so that's less possible).

- I believe there's no godfather in play (godfather + framer seems to be a bit to harsh for the town, also different town roles we're seeing this time may indicate there has been a shuffle on the scum side).

 

That means KevinH, Rhizo, Wolfpacks, CoD are townies (I'm also town...though obviously there's no proof for that) and there are most probably 4 scum hiding among Mandarijn (whom I think is a town), D34THBR1NG3R, SeeBeeGipson, Sister Midnight, Isoc, Yehom.

 

Since Death has already mentioned he has a PR, he's painted target on his back (unless he's scum), so it would be good for him to share his findings as it may help us thin out the suspect herd.

 

 

You're quite right about one thing as I said above after this post. I was wrong when I said we have no other choice. Evaluating the risk vs reward as you put it, leads me to believe we should wait to decide your fate.