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[The Warrior]

"I solemnly swear that I am up to no good."

 

Vote Count

 

Ali bin Turban (2): KevinH, Sister Midnight

KevinH (1): Ali bin Turban

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

King Hitler (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):
 

Not Voting: Chaplain of Death, D34THBR1NG3R, King Hitler, Mandarijn, Mazuurek, Rhizoctonia, Wolfpacks, Yehom

With 11 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Tuesday, November 8th.

[Mandarijn]

We should definitly not lynch Ali (yet)...

 

I think there are better candidates, like SM, who's just jumping on every wagon there is and is acting really shady and not contributing at all. Or iSoc, who's lurking and not contributing much either.

 

Wolfpacks is the only confirmed townie for me at this point.

 

Besides this we should wait on what D34th has to tell us, maybe he'll shed some more light on all the information we recently got.

 

We should definitly not be lynching any one before monday/tuesday.

[Mandarijn]

Although only 1 of SM and iSoc is scum, so if we guess wrong we're screwed. My bet is SM is the scum.

[SeaBeeGipson]

I feel AbT is still coming off as a townie despite the results. While lynching him is the easiest option, I would rather go with what my gut has been saying for a bit now.

Vote Sister Midnight

I don't have a PR to claim or anything to defend myself from any claims. I'd like to keep AbT alive to hear CoD results. He already mentions he has a role, so lets not let the scum kill him and never get a result from him.

If WP is a paranoid cop, wouldn't that mean his other 2 results are wrong? That would mean AbT is town and the other 2 are scum or am I wrong here? If this is a possibility, we could lynch AbT as we have 1 mislynch left. If he is scum, good for us. If not, we know our next 2 targets. Does it work that way for a paranoid cop?

If there is a framer invovled, the above plan would backfire and we'd lose. Hence the reason I'm not too comfortable lynching AbT.

*note* I dont have time right now to read back but I think CoD was the one asking permission from TW to post results. If not, please switch CoD to Death when you read the above.*

[iSocialism]

So if I'm getting this right

CoD claims to be a follower; targeted lyner, ali and then WP

With pressure from CoD. WP claims to be a Cop, targetted;

Kevin, Ali, Rhizo, Ali comes out to be non-helpful hogwarts student

 

A framer role is unlikely itself, having someone target AbT the same time Wp targetted AbT is also unlikely. My gut feeling cannot go with this. However, as someone mention holding off on lynching AbT and see what the next nights brings sounds more reasonable. In my book AbT is scum, the only hope for him. Is that an unlikely event took place and there is a framer, or a false role-claim. I would think that this might be a decoy to buy another night for all the scum. However, it was done by CoD. With WP hesitation, and CoD encouragement, This is the only reason I'm not voting for AbT right now.  

 

If WP is a cop he will be picked off in the night, or unless protected. This is regardless if we lynch AbT today. Also now WIFOM, they might go for someone else. Leaving us with WP for another day and another investigation. 

 

The thing is though, I don't want to lynch someone who might be town instead of AbT who might be scum. So FoS AbT, however I want the day to go on. To see the conversation and the interaction/non-interaction between people. 

*note* I dont have time right now to read back but I think CoD was the one asking permission from TW to post results. If not, please switch CoD to Death when you read the above.*

 

 

That was d34th

[KevinH]

Unvote.

 

I can go with the reasoning that we can lynch Ali bin Turban later.  He didn't do anything when followed so is probably just a goon and we have to get the rest of the scum, too.

 

I'll have sporadic activity this weekend but at least I do have internet.

[Chaplain of death]

We should definitly not lynch Ali (yet)...

 

I think there are better candidates, like SM, who's just jumping on every wagon there is and is acting really shady and not contributing at all. Or iSoc, who's lurking and not contributing much either.

 

Wolfpacks is the only confirmed townie for me at this point.

 

Besides this we should wait on what D34th has to tell us, maybe he'll shed some more light on all the information we recently got.

 

We should definitly not be lynching any one before monday/tuesday.

 

Due to his behavior I'm still very hesitant to consider him confirmed. 

 

I asked but it was on behalf of d34th. I role claimed. 

 

A Paranoid Cop or Naive Cop would come up with all positive or all negative results. Only an insane cop would have opposite results, however Insane cop was a possible role in this game as well as the last one.

 

 

 

 

Since people still seem unsure of why I claimed. I had a result that said someone had performed an investigation, which implied to me that they had most likely performed multiple investigations (unless they were a JOAT in which case >.>). So from my point of view I saw one of 2 things. A townie who needs to realize that right now is role claim time because we are running out of time and townies. OR..... A scum aligned role who had no desire to claim results to the town because they were perfectly safe unless someone caught them.

 

Hence why I prodded beforehand hoping he would claim on his own (especially because if he had claimed on his own he would be confirmed one way or the other. If he lied I would likely know and if he was honest I'd likely know), but instead of responding he ignored and Ali became quite interested since from his perspective I'm sure I appeared scummy calling for a role claim out of specific people (plus I included him in the prod in hopes that WP would come out on his own rather than feeling pressured to do so).

[Ali bin Turban]

I feel AbT is still coming off as a townie despite the results. While lynching him is the easiest option, I would rather go with what my gut has been saying for a bit now.

Vote Sister Midnight

I don't have a PR to claim or anything to defend myself from any claims. I'd like to keep AbT alive to hear CoD results. He already mentions he has a role, so lets not let the scum kill him and never get a result from him.

If WP is a paranoid cop, wouldn't that mean his other 2 results are wrong? That would mean AbT is town and the other 2 are scum or am I wrong here? If this is a possibility, we could lynch AbT as we have 1 mislynch left. If he is scum, good for us. If not, we know our next 2 targets. Does it work that way for a paranoid cop?

If there is a framer invovled, the above plan would backfire and we'd lose. Hence the reason I'm not too comfortable lynching AbT.

*note* I dont have time right now to read back but I think CoD was the one asking permission from TW to post results. If not, please switch CoD to Death when you read the above.*

So what has changed? Not so long ago your opinion was rather straightforward and we've not learned much in the meantime:

 

If the RC is right, AbT has my vote. Unhelpful is usually an indication of scum. I wouldnt mark Rhizo or Kevin out of being a godfather but looks like we wait for a counter claim. If there isn't one. We know who to lynch.

 

Also please show us your analysis about every player? After all there are 4 scums, not just one, hiding among us - who do you think might they be?

 

@Yehom, Death - could you please do the same? If I'm not mistaken we've not seen your thoughts about every player.

[Ali bin Turban]

So if I'm getting this right

CoD claims to be a follower; targeted lyner, ali and then WP

With pressure from CoD. WP claims to be a Cop, targetted;

Kevin, Ali, Rhizo, Ali comes out to be non-helpful hogwarts student

 

A framer role is unlikely itself, having someone target AbT the same time Wp targetted AbT is also unlikely. My gut feeling cannot go with this. However, as someone mention holding off on lynching AbT and see what the next nights brings sounds more reasonable. In my book AbT is scum, the only hope for him. Is that an unlikely event took place and there is a framer, or a false role-claim. I would think that this might be a decoy to buy another night for all the scum. However, it was done by CoD. With WP hesitation, and CoD encouragement, This is the only reason I'm not voting for AbT right now.  

 

If WP is a cop he will be picked off in the night, or unless protected. This is regardless if we lynch AbT today. Also now WIFOM, they might go for someone else. Leaving us with WP for another day and another investigation. 

 

The thing is though, I don't want to lynch someone who might be town instead of AbT who might be scum. So FoS AbT, however I want the day to go on. To see the conversation and the interaction/non-interaction between people. 

*note* I dont have time right now to read back but I think CoD was the one asking permission from TW to post results. If not, please switch CoD to Death when you read the above.*

 

 

That was d34th

You've ignored my question. You say I'm a scum in your book, but you've not voted on me, not even asked for explanation, nothing. You just said that you "see the result as a bad thing". I'll ask again, why didn't you perform any action and just waited for the rest of the town to react? And please don't repeat CoD explanation - if you really meant it and if it was your real reason not to vote on me, you'd say it right the moment you saw Wolfpacks results. But again, you've said pretty much nothing then, just stood on the sidelines waiting for the town to act.

 

As for the framer, how many events with 1:120 odds (chance both Framer and Cop hit the same, random target with 12 players in game) do you expect to happen in the entire game? I guess none. Therefore you don't do it. You aim constantly at the same target so that if Cop hit's him you are sure he'll get 'guilty' result. It's not a rare event to happen - same chances as cop confirming godfather or SK (and we all have witnessed it in previous game).

[Yehom]

Finally we're playing with something now that Wolfpacks has finally shed some light on this game. Wolfpacks has single handedly taken away doubt for almost half the town now with 4 people being proven as townies. Although i don't know what 'non-helpful' should mean. Does it have to do with being vanilla or having a PR? Even if that were the case, the wording is kind of strange as Kevin and Rhizo were 'normal'. It doesn't get more normal than vanilla does it?

 

That being said the following people have not been completely proven as townies

Chaplain of Death: RC to be a follower, which I want to believe, but he followed Lyner (who was killed N1) and Wolfpacks who has confirmed himself as town. I'd say he's 80/20 town as there is still a possibility that he's scum claiming to be a townie with powers trying to get Wolfpacks lynched D4.

 

D34THBR1NG3R: No read what so ever on this guy as he's pretty inactive. 

 

iSocialism: His predecessor Maz played really poorly (if you even consider what he did playing), iSoc himself so far has been every on/off. Analysis was given last day, but that's about it contribution wise. 

 

King Hitler: Has made some good posts, leaning towards town more

 

Mandarijn: I'm really 50/50 about Manda. His 3 days in game absent was standing out pretty heavily. Want to hear more from him to get a good read. 

 

Sister Midnight: Overall always late to the party it seems. Posts have been nothing new, seems to be side with whatever wagon is popular. Last posts of D3 were very suspect. 

 

I'm leaning on voting for SM, but I'm willing to hear her side of the argument

 

@Yehom, Death - could you please do the same? If I'm not mistaken we've not seen your thoughts about every player.

 

But at this moment in time, knowing now that scum have cop roles too, I'm more leaning to Wolfpacks being scum and you Ali as town seeing how the other days have been played out so far. Also I wouldn't be surprise if either or both Kevin and Rhizo are scum if Wolfpacks turns out to be scum

[D34THBR1NG3R]

When I get a computer I shall post what I have on my role

[SeaBeeGipson]

Ali bin Turban: Not entirely sure here. I feel my gut says town, but as the day goes on, I question it more. WP could very well be a town cop, and no counter claim is starting to make me think he really is a cop. AbT mentions a 1:160 chance a framer would mess the investigation up. I still would like to discuss this for the day and give us time to think. As the day keeps moving, honestly, my mind keeps changing regarding these two. I do see it highly concerning that no cop has counter claimed (I highly doubt we would just have a 3 shot role cop on our side and scum would get a cop). As for right now, I'm going to say AbT is scum. He even mentions in post 381 a framer would be the only explanation then he says the odds are unlucky. It seems AbT is starting to jump around himself.

KevinH: mentioned how AbT would just be a goon and to go for other targets. Came clean on investigation. Could still be an investigation immune role. Going to go with town unless later days prove otherwise.

Chaplain of Death: Believe he is a follower.

D34THBR1NG3R: Still waiting on that RC. Lets not forget scum can RC too. He has been somewhat inactive for the beginning of the game but could be town trying to avoid a lynch.

Myself: No role or anything to claim. My assessment of myself doesnt really matter.

Mandarijn: This is a confusing decision to me. I keep thinking his inactivity in the beginning and sudden coming back reminds me of WhiteBeard. Mandarijn I feel is experienced to know after Whitebeard, that behavior is a huge red flag. It makes me feel he is scum though but after coming out of inactivity, he has contributed and gave a town vibe. I'm not sure where to stand here.

Isocialism: I feel he leans more towards scum. Why is it assumed if SM is scum, Isoc isnt?

Rhizoctonia: Came clean in investigation. Could still be a GF. (Why would we as a town have a role cop if an investigation immune role was not in play?) Going to go with town unless later days say otherwise.

Sister Midnight: Scum; despite AbT trying to throw shade towards her. It could.be scum distancing themselves.
Wolfpacks: Cop, Town (more believable as the day progresses to me)

Yehom:
Not sure here either. If my math above is right, he could be the 4th scum. I honestly have had trouble getting a read on Yehom.

[Mandarijn]

Mandarijn: This is a confusing decision to me. I keep thinking his inactivity in the beginning and sudden coming back reminds me of WhiteBeard. Mandarijn I feel is experienced to know after Whitebeard, that behavior is a huge red flag. It makes me feel he is scum though but after coming out of inactivity, he has contributed and gave a town vibe. I'm not sure where to stand here.

If you remember that game, then you also know how disgusted I was with that play... I would never do that myself, if that was my 'plan' why would I come back? I was completely off the radar by the end of D3 and I probably could ride the game out untill the end.

 

I even asked for a replacement before the game even started on the 1st day I was hired. But because I still wasn't replaced and I had 4 days vacation last weekend, I decided to try and help the town by becoming somewhat active again...

[Ali bin Turban]

But at this moment in time, knowing now that scum have cop roles too, I'm more leaning to Wolfpacks being scum and you Ali as town seeing how the other days have been played out so far. Also I wouldn't be surprise if either or both Kevin and Rhizo are scum if Wolfpacks turns out to be scum

 

There were a lot of details that confirm Wolfpacks story (he would had to put a lot of effort in faking them) + also the fact that no one has challenged him (and it seems everyone has already spoken). I think he is the town, though his result / results are not correct.

 

Ali bin Turban: Not entirely sure here. I feel my gut says town, but as the
day goes on, I question it more. WP could very well be a town cop, and no counter claim is starting to make me think he really is a cop. AbT mentions a 1:160 chance a framer would mess the investigation up. I still would like to discuss this for the day and give us time to think. As the day keeps moving, honestly, my mind keeps changing regarding these two. I do see it highly concerning that no cop has counter claimed (I highly doubt we would just have a 3 shot role cop on our side and scum would get a cop). As for right now, I'm going to say AbT is scum. He even mentions in post 381 a framer would be the only explanation then he says the odds are unlucky. It seems AbT is starting to jump around himself.

 

You're not consistent. Now you mention your gut says I'm town but as day passes you start to question it. However at the beginning of the day you said that "AbT has my vote" and also "we know who to lynch". That does not sound like your gut was saying I'm a town.

 

Also you are not paying attention to what I wrote about Framer. I said you don't frame random player each night, because it wont work due to very low

odds. You choose one player at the beginning of the game and frame him every night and this approach will work (and it's pretty much the exact opposite of a godfather - that's also the reason why I said I don't think there's godfather around this time).

[Ali bin Turban]

Isocialism: I feel he leans more towards scum. Why is it assumed if SM is scum, Isoc isnt?

 

One more question...who has assumed that?

When I get a computer I shall post what I have on my role

 

Don't forget to post your evaluation about rest of the players.

[Mandarijn]

If we assume you got Framed, that means Wolfpacks, Ali, KevinH and Rhizo are town. (assuming there's no GF)

This would mean the scum can be found in: COD (probably town?), D34th, iSoc, SBG, SM, Yehom

 

If we assume Wolfpacks is an insane cop, that would mean KevinH and Rhizo are scum.

 

Then there's also the possibility Ali is just scum, but is just playing it really well. But I don't think this is the case. (Seeing what happens in the next night might give us some more clues about this. BUT if we mislynch today we've most likely lost already)

[SeaBeeGipson]

Although only 1 of SM and iSoc is scum, so if we guess wrong we're screwed. My bet is SM is the scum.

This in response to your question AbT.

As far as my inconsistency. Do you hold the same theories and views you had at the beginning of the day? Day 3? Beginning of the game? New information, watching things happen/play out, and the way things are handled change perpectives on people. I have mentioned countless times how I feel your are a townie but the comment you mention was after WPs investigation. A moment when it was fairly convincing you were scum. Your only arguments against it are a framer being involved as you are a VT. So we can already agree you aren't a miller as you claimed VT. That throws that possibility away. The other option is WPs is lying. Highly doubting at this point as we have no cop claim, I seriously doubt a 3-shot role cop would be our only cop role. Even more unlikely if WPs is a scum cop that scum would have that and we'd be limited.

It is safe to say at this point unless a cop claims, Wolfpacks is town. Which would mean his investigations are right, unless a framer is involved. Only one way to find out if there is a framer or not with the information we have. And that is by lynching you.
We are circling around that too much because AbT is coming off as a townie (yes, I get that impression too.) But we've been wrong a lot this game (look at the amount of dead townies.) The information we have paints you as a scum. We have no proof of a framer. Beyond that, I know from previous games you play as a townie even when you are a scum. So while I may have townie impressions towards you, I feel we'd gain a better path of what to do tomorrow by lynching you. We have more chance as a town with the information provided that you turn up scum than a town. Is that not true?

What is also questioning is how you are asking people for their assessments, but only a limited few? You dont ask SM for hers or Isoc for his. You asked Yehom who already provided one. It feels as if you are asking assessments to try and find a way to get the spotlight off of you at this point.

I do believe SM is a scum alongside you at this point. Only one way to find out what exactly happens with WPs investigation and sitting here, talking about possibilities wont solve anything.

Unvote

Vote Ali

[Mandarijn]

@SBG: Both iSoc and SM have given their list already...

@D34th: Make sure you give your info on time, otherwise I'll be pushing for your lynch!

[Ali bin Turban]

As far as my inconsistency. Do you hold the same theories and views you had at the beginning of the day? Day 3? Beginning of the game? New information, watching things happen/play out, and the way things are handled change perpectives on people. I have mentioned countless times how I feel your are a townie but the comment you mention was after WPs investigation. A moment when it was fairly convincing you were scum.

 

OK, I see. Your gut said I'm a town until the moment Wolfpacks had shown his results. And then it all changed and now I "have your vote" as I'm most probably a scum. Now please explain this:

 

I feel AbT is still coming off as a townie despite the results. While lynching him is the easiest option, I would rather go with what my gut has been saying for a bit now.

 

It was way after Wolfpacks presented his investigation. Merely 24 hours ago.

How it comes that a little bit of pressure towards you and suddenly you make a total change of your assessments and now lynching me is the only reasonable choice to make?

Also you don't really seem to be concerned with the consequences of a mistake. Does putting town in a LYLO situation not worry you? In case of a miss-lynch all it takes tomorrow is just one misscasted vote by a townie for the scums to pile on and end the game. Yet you're OK with taking a guess and seeing where it leads the town.

 

And as Mandarijn has mentioned, I was asking those that didn't put their list (Yehom did it in between my posts and I've forgot about him). SM and ISoc did it already so I'm not asking them again.

[SeaBeeGipson]

My apologies. I looked back further and found Isoc and SM's analysis.

That quote shows I have been truthful about my gut feeling as you are a townie but like I mentioned the information we have been provided says otherwise and my gut hasn't been right all game, or we'd have some dead scum it feel likes. My vote on you is based on the information provided by WP not my gut.