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[Yehom]

@Ali: my comment was more so a comment asking why WP didn't even bother to defend himself, not so much a comment asking him to roleclaim per se.

[Chaplain of death]

Lyner investigated, i didn't bother adding it because its obvious since his role is revealed since he died night 1.

I included you ali because i was looking to pressure something out of you as well on the chance that you were a goon who didn't act (less likely but possible). Im more suspicious of wolfpacks considering. I was going to just claim my result, but i detest claiming someone else's role for them. However in this instance now that I've claimed and voted his role and action will come out one way or another.

Wolfpacks preformed an investigation on night 3.

As you said ali, there wouldnt be a good reason to claim this if i was scum. Especially right off the bat to allow discussion. Scum thrive on hasty decisions made without proper information, so why then would i claim so early when i could have waited so no quality discussion could take place? And in that line of thinking, why is someone who performed at least one investigation providing the town with no information when we are so behind?

[Sister Midnight]

- SM +1 1ceCream ( 5 now) and it's all over.

 

My vote was not the hammer vote.  TW did not count me or anyone who posted after the deadline.

 

3.  SM, where's your promised analysis yet? We've been waiting for it for so long. Also why calling for extension last Day? What did you want to achieve with that?

I went into panic mode because I completely forgot the game and it was past deadline and I had contributed nothing at all.  Quickly read back and could not find a better candidate than Icecream, but I was not particularly thrilled about that choice.  I asked for the extension because i felt bad about being so late and contributing so little.

 

My current anyalysis:

Red = highly suspicious, Yellow = up in the air, not strong scum or town, Green = leaning town, but not definite.

Yehom : voted for Icecream and Robert both times, could be scummy, but not necessarily definitive. Became defensive, and a bit aggressive when questioned, which seems possibly scummy. This is my best scum candidate at the moment.

Mazuurek : Is not adding much to the process. I get that this is how he operates, but it seems scummy.


Chaplain of Death : voted for Icecream and Robert both times. This is scummy, but not necessarily definitive. Role claimed and so far no one is countering, which makes him seem a lot less scummy. I'm making him yellow and not red or green because the votes raise flags, the role claim, should it be uncontested will make him probably town.

D34THBR1NG3R : I don't get a scummy vibe off him. I don't have a particular reason to think he's town, either so I'm kind of neutral on him.

Wolfpacks : I honestly don't know what to think about him. I'm suspicious, but I can't put my finger on exactly why.

Rhizoctonia : Limited by real life, but when he makes posts they seem somewhat townie, so hard to make assessment.

King/SeaBeeGipson: He asks valid questions and furthers investigation, that makes me lean town.

KevinH : As usual he is making townish observations and forwarding investigation. Nothing outstanding one way or the other, so moderatly town.

Mandarijn : I agree with his concerns about COD and Yehom both voting town twice. His relationship diagram didn't make a lot of sense to me, though. What exactly is the connection you see btwn COD and me? Leaning towards town.

Ali bin Turban: Seems to be making townie observations and actively hunting scum. Assuming COD is a follower, he did not take action last night, so that makes him less scummy as well, but not definitive.

[iSocialism]

 

 

Mazuurek : Is not adding much to the process. I get that this is how he operates, but it seems scummy.

 

 

I replaced Maz

[Chaplain of death]

To add validity to my claim I'll also claim my name (as I should have from the start). I am Sirius Black, the Hogwarts Follower. (Personally I don't see why he would be a follower but oh well). 

 

I argued the canon regarding Sirius being a SK or Mafia because I am none other than Sirius Black and I know I am neither (also because he would be town aligned imo anyway). I know for some of you this may make you have second guesses (and yes, scum get safe claims, I know) but had someone not claimed a name I would have been right there to call it out too so I should get my figurative shit together and do so. 

 

 

I also want to note that Ali being considered less likely to be a scum by my result of no action on night 2 would be a false assumption. He could be an odd night PR, or a scum who did not perform the kill and does not have a non-kill ability. For that matter he could be a Ninja, my result wasn't that he didn't perform an action, it was that I saw nothing. Considering how PR heavy TW's games have been thus far and how many VTs are dead, the chances that he is a VT are quite slim.

[Sister Midnight]

 

 

 

Mazuurek : Is not adding much to the process. I get that this is how he operates, but it seems scummy.

 

 

I replaced Maz

 

Oh.  Well, I don't think you're scummy.   You did a thorough analysis, which I don't think means you are all that townie, but it was a pretty good one.

 

ISoc

[Chaplain of death]

*correction only 2 VTs dead, but Id still put it as a 60 or 70% chance that hes town at most. He could easily be a SK biding his time as Preston did, especially after seeing Preston win with that method, or as I said he could be scum. meaning, between 2 and 4 out of 10 (excluding myself since I know my own role). With several of the townies left presumably having some form of power role, and presumably only one having an odd night modifier we work it out to about 7 or 8 possible roles that he has, with between 2 to 4 (presence of SK or not and presence of JOAT or other non-killing scum role) being scum aligned. Sorry if this is really scatter brained I'm doing very rough estimations in my head as I go so I may be quite far off the mark. My point is, he is probably more likely to be town than not, but its still VERY possible for him to be scum, and I am therefore very suspicious of anyone writing him off just because he didn't perform an action night 2 that I could see.

[Wolfpacks]

So a follower can be either Scum or town and like Yehom wants me to role claim, strange all of a sudden i have to call it, could be that COD is scum and with a claim would now like me dead, i wasnt really suspicuous of COD until now but i doubt if i have a role to claim i would live much beyond this night. Im at work so have little time to say more then this, will post more later.

FOS Yehom and COD

[Chaplain of death]

Actually I'm the only one telling you to roleclaim. Even if your results confirm townies at this stage of the game we need to start figuring out who is who. The fact that you are keeping your results to yourself and throwing out a FoS on me and Yehom is very scummy looking (he asked why you offered exactly 0 defence, just like you are now, and listed different forms of defense rather than demanding a claim like I am now).

 

Interesting an obviously town aligned character like Sirius Black, who I promise you won't be counter claimed unless scum try to gamble, which will just accomplish my goal in the end by killing a scum. Your defense is to OMGUS? Even if it isn't with a vote that is the response you are going with thus far. Good luck with that. If he doesn't claim within 24 hours I'd recommend town start adding some votes until he does.

[Yehom]

like Yehom wants me to role claim

 

And another one that reads what he wants, but i guess it's better to not defend yourself right?

 

@Manda: regarding what 1cecream did that was scummy to me. To me at that stage in the game we had what 3 inactives (one of which was you) and a town that had most likely wasted 2 days because D1 was useless because nothing happened + no lynch, D2 Robert was lynched, because how badly he played out his 'defense' and from what I make of it you don't blame anyone for that because you knew how bad he played it. D3 comes and we are no wiser than what we were D1 and in comes 1cecream who gets called out by someone (can't remember who). His one and only response that entire day was that he had nothing to say, not even till the point that a wagon was formed against him. Call that lurking, call that inactivity. Fact of the matter is that he, in my eyes, was the person with the least reasons to play it like this (with all the other inactives in the game). He acted suspicious, town acted on that or else we wouldn't have gotten a lynch on him. He even had ample time to defend himself, instead of helping himself and town he chose to remain completely silent but was able to participate in the other mafia game (so he wasn't completely inactive). To me all those factors made me think that 1cecream was scum. Yes I'll admit that I'm a horrible townie, because I was part of 2 lynches of 2 other townies, but if you saw the bigger picture, can you serious blame me for the fact that these 2 people were lynched seeing how they played it?

 

To me 2 people stand out the most, being Wolfpacks and SM. Wolfpacks for the fact that earlier D2 he had been called out by multiple people for his reasonings, but didn't give a compelling argument in my eyes that would prove to me he's town or at least not scum. From the flipflop to the weird accusations which he later backtracked. He was lucky that 1cecream was playing even scummier, because I'm pretty sure he'd be on more people's radar if 1cecream didn't play like he did. 

 

SM caught my eye very late D2. First off that weird request for an extension while we had ample time to discuss and play, Nothing in the meantime had happened to warrant an extension. After she saw that she probably wasn't going to get her extension she voted 1cecream, while 1) deadline had already passed and 2) 1cecream was going to get lynched anyway. To me that sounds like strange, but safe vote. Her vote wasn't put on the board for the lynch because it was after the deadline which kind of hides her vote in this scenario. Why even vote in that scenario? Also the flipflop on Maz/iSoc earlier today caught my eye a little bit. She first mentioned that Maz was very likely scum, but as soon as iSoc said he replaced Maz, she immediately says that because iSoc did 1 analysis, he's town in her eyes. Even though I agree that Maz's gameplay shouldn't be projected completely onto iSoc, you can't entirely see these 2 players apart from each other, especially not with just 1 analysis. Either you're being really flip floppy, or you're protecting iSoc.  

[KevinH]

This is from the previous game:

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Cop, Sane Cop, Insane Cop, Day Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

 

This is from our current game:

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Cop, Sane Cop, Insane Cop, Day Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Naïve Cop, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Paranoid Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

 

Note that Naïve Cop and Paranoid Cop have been added. I believe that this is an indication that there is a good chance that the roles exist in this game.
 

I believe Chaplain of Death is a townie follower,  I believe Wolfpacks is a townie cop of some sort.

 

I don't quite understand Chaplain of Death's vote on Wolfpacks or Wolfpacks' FoS on Chaplain of Death.  Are we supposed to lynch townies because we don't like their choices in play?

 

 

[Wolfpacks]

A mistake but its yours rhizo to make, i missed that on my read back but i can live with it, your mistake is bad for town but maybe it isnt a mistake maybe its a choice for a reason

And you don't care to defend yourself? Analysis, roleclaim, anything?

so this isnt your post then Yehom

[Yehom]

I want you to defend yourself and I couldn't care less how you do it. Now almost a week later still no defense no analysis no nothing (see how you casually ignore every single other word in that sentence?), but keep on reading what you want. Apparently everything needs to be spelled out for some people

[Chaplain of death]

This is from the previous game:

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Cop, Sane Cop, Insane Cop, Day Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

 
This is from our current game:

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Cop, Sane Cop, Insane Cop, Day Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Naïve Cop, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Paranoid Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

 
Note that Naïve Cop and Paranoid Cop have been added. I believe that this is an indication that there is a good chance that the roles exist in this game.
 
I believe Chaplain of Death is a townie follower,  I believe Wolfpacks is a townie cop of some sort.
 
I don't quite understand Chaplain of Death's vote on Wolfpacks or Wolfpacks' FoS on Chaplain of Death.  Are we supposed to lynch townies because we don't like their choices in play?

 

 

The following quote is a demonstration of why I have voted for him. He obviously has information and he refuses to share it. The fact that he refuses to share it makes me believe he his a mafia cop (there was a scum role cop last game, wouldn't be a stretch). He said he would post more later in response to me, 12 hours later he posts and all he does is continue to misconstrue Yehom's post. He's being evasive and trying to throw suspicion rather than address any on himself.
 

 

 

A mistake but its yours rhizo to make, i missed that on my read back but i can live with it, your mistake is bad for town but maybe it isnt a mistake maybe its a choice for a reason

And you don't care to defend yourself? Analysis, roleclaim, anything?

 

so this isnt your post then Yehom

 

That is indeed his post. Notice how it doesn't say "wolfpacks you should role claim." It says "you don't care to defend yourself?" He then ask's about a couple of the main ways in which people would defend themselves if they are coming under suspicion. Notice how before he says role claim he says analysis? That's that thing you aren't providing, and that you aren't allowing the town to do by keeping your results to yourself. 

 

In my opinion based on his current play, Wolfpacks is a scum cop who doesn't want to claim results because he will either have to fake claim in which case he will likely be lynched, OR, he will have to confirm townies, which would be detrimental to the scum.

[Ali bin Turban]

@Wolfpacks - at this point everyone knows you've investigation role (and you've not denied it) so you have no choice and need to make RC and show us results...unless you're scum.

 

@CoD - Now that you've mentioned Wolfpacks action, I'm not sure if I understand why did you do it. You could have spotted a legit cop doing his job...so why coming out, revealing your PR and forcing other PR to do the same? What did you expect out of this? I'm asking because I don't think that was optimal choice for town to do it.

As a town by revealing your PR you're painting target on your back. It would be OK if you had results that were pointing to a scum...but here you actually don't know who Wolfpacks is. Worst case scenario you're setting up town's cop for a kill.

As a scum you would probably keep that result to yourself (and your scum pals) hoping Wolfpacks won't reveal them, so that you can kill him at night (trying to lynch someone else today so that Wolfpacks is not forced to RC and share results).

So I'm kind of lost with your choice.

 

@KevinH - why would you mention those roles at this very right moment? What makes you think either of them is a town? Why would be having a role an indication that someone is a town? Show your reasoning.

[Ali bin Turban]

i wasnt really suspicuous of COD until now but i doubt if i have a role to claim i would live much beyond this night

 

Wolfpacks can you also explain this sentence? Are you telling us you have no PR?

[Wolfpacks]

You are Professor McGonagall, a Hogwarts Cop.
Night 1
I investigated KevinH
Result: Normal Hogwarts Student/Staff

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban
Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

Night 3 i investigated Rhizo
Result: Normal Hogwarts Student/Staff

Now you understand why i was suspicious of Ali, but as no one listened and just chucked accusations at me i kinda cooled on it, i was trying to keep my role underwraps which is why i didnt over defend myself, but now that the scum know im a good guy cop, you have now signed my death warrent. Cheers 😂

i wasnt really suspicuous of COD until now but i doubt if i have a role to claim i would live much beyond this night

Wolfpacks can you also explain this sentence? Are you telling us you have no PR?

I said it my last post but will say it again, i was trying to give it underwraps, if i gave it way to early i would be killed at night then ill be no help to town at all, but to just prove i was being helpful i had to role claim, this is the reason i suspect COD and Yehom whether you wrote it or not Yehom i read it as you wanting a role claim.

[iSocialism]

Night 2 i investigated Ali Bin Turban Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

 

 

Well this day keeps getting interesting. From other games, I always see this as a bad thing.

[D34THBR1NG3R]

I feel my RC will help town but I do not want to just start a mass RC

[Rhizoctonia]

I didnt actually say i had lots to say i jusr said im not saying much because im driving and i would defend myself more if attacked then i had previously, when your driving you have to abriviate a lot more then you would like because you never know when you have to put the phone down and drive,
But my thoughts are as i didnt die last night my suspicions on Ali have cooled a little, if he was scum i think id have gone,

At this moment im pretty suspicious of Yehom and isoc.
Yehom, because he has been in all the wrong wagons and isoc because of his fluff lynch vote on me and he has be quiet since,

You still cant write off Death,SM, SBG and COD,

I think Rhizo and KevinH are mostly town, because of the activly hunting scum

Mandi is the only one im not fully sure of

 

 

I'm confused on if he was scum, you'd be gone comment.  If he was scum, taking you out last night would of probably put more suspicion on him since you were the only one looking to lynch him.  Not saying that would necessarily mean he'd get lynched, but would bring more attention to him when at the moment you're the only one suspecting him.

 

 

- SM +1 1ceCream ( 5 now) and it's all over.

 

My vote was not the hammer vote.  TW did not count me or anyone who posted after the deadline.

 

3.  SM, where's your promised analysis yet? We've been waiting for it for so long. Also why calling for extension last Day? What did you want to achieve with that?

I went into panic mode because I completely forgot the game and it was past deadline and I had contributed nothing at all.  Quickly read back and could not find a better candidate than Icecream, but I was not particularly thrilled about that choice.  I asked for the extension because i felt bad about being so late and contributing so little.

 

My current anyalysis:

Red = highly suspicious, Yellow = up in the air, not strong scum or town, Green = leaning town, but not definite.

Yehom : voted for Icecream and Robert both times, could be scummy, but not necessarily definitive. Became defensive, and a bit aggressive when questioned, which seems possibly scummy. This is my best scum candidate at the moment.

Mazuurek : Is not adding much to the process. I get that this is how he operates, but it seems scummy.


Chaplain of Death : voted for Icecream and Robert both times. This is scummy, but not necessarily definitive. Role claimed and so far no one is countering, which makes him seem a lot less scummy. I'm making him yellow and not red or green because the votes raise flags, the role claim, should it be uncontested will make him probably town.

D34THBR1NG3R : I don't get a scummy vibe off him. I don't have a particular reason to think he's town, either so I'm kind of neutral on him.

Wolfpacks : I honestly don't know what to think about him. I'm suspicious, but I can't put my finger on exactly why.

Rhizoctonia : Limited by real life, but when he makes posts they seem somewhat townie, so hard to make assessment.

King/SeaBeeGipson: He asks valid questions and furthers investigation, that makes me lean town.

KevinH : As usual he is making townish observations and forwarding investigation. Nothing outstanding one way or the other, so moderatly town.

Mandarijn : I agree with his concerns about COD and Yehom both voting town twice. His relationship diagram didn't make a lot of sense to me, though. What exactly is the connection you see btwn COD and me? Leaning towards town.

Ali bin Turban: Seems to be making townie observations and actively hunting scum. Assuming COD is a follower, he did not take action last night, so that makes him less scummy as well, but not definitive.

 

 

 

I'm a bit confused with your analysis a bit.  I mean you can paint me any color that you want, but what your wrote after me is kinda odd.  I did have a day where I was completely gone, but since I've been back I was one of the most active yesterday, and looking at post count, I am #5 for most posts out of 11, 3 more then you, and that's with me missing a complete day.  
But that's not what I am really confused at, but it leads into what is.  What I'm confused at is that you say you don't have a read on me after I've posted 27 times, yet Mandarijn whose been inactive now the past 2 days and day 1 ending quickly, whose posted a total of 2 posts today and 6 in total you feel is town.  I find it a bit odd you're able to read Mandarijn as a town feel so quickly with such few posts or actions.

Unvote 

 

Dinner time/wife time for now, but seems somethings have came out recently I need to look at