Ali bin Turban

Apologies guys, but due to personal matters, my activity is going to dive. If its possible, it would be a good idea to replace me, since I wont be able to participate as before .

Just a note: due to personal matters my activity's going to dive . Brewers if you have a replacement, please use it. If not I'll be coming from time to time ( but nowhere near close as previously)

OMG thats golden . Finally we have a game when even being dead you can still participate

That's actually quite interesting, but at that point Rafay already has 5 votes. Changing vote to WP is a safe bussing if Kevin is scumIf KevinH is a scum, there wasn't any real risk involved in voting on WP. There were already like 5 votes on Tony and 3 on Rafay. Nobody cared for WP. So placing D1 lul vote on your scum buddy that is in no danger of getting lynched is nothing exceptional. Obviously he could be a town, but this act is really no indication of his allegiance.

Actually please disregard that very last sentence. I'm sorry. Whatever your thoughts and opinion might be, my statement was not warranted.

Ok, so we got that sorted out: you know better than me what were the conclusions I came to. I was surely trying to manipulate town into believeving that both of no-lynchers are innocent. Don't get distracted by the fact that one of them is voting on me and the other is arguing with me. Being a mafia mastermind I'm pretty sure you already know the answer.

I don't think SK would be so reckless to jump on 3 people at once and risk pulling a lot of attention to himself. If he dies, he loses the game. Whereas for town dying is quite obvious (the only question is when) and as long as he can contribute, he's done his job.

Im not sure whats happening here. Vote Rafay He's not active anymore

This no-lynch thing be true.I don't think that every scum would flock onto Rafay's wagon. Probably they didn't care that much about it, since they expected town would handle the wagon on their own. But on the other hand "no lynch" option in this game is not the safest option to go too. In summary we have 6 people alive that were on the Rafay's wagon, 3 that were on other wagons and 2 that were no lynchers, with 3 bad guys hiding somewhere in those groups. If we assume scum would like to blend (so not go no-lynch route) and they wouldn't all jump on the Rafay's wagon, then there must be at least one among (Tony, KevinH, Robert) Edit: Cut off the first, reworked version of my post, that for some reason has appeared too. You laid out an assumption for the town to work off that writes off the no lynchers as not including a scum AKA innocent. How else do you want me to interpret your literal words? I see it now. If you ignore first two paragraphs then you could indeed misinterpret my last paragraph. Though whole post is not an assumption on anyones innocence. Its a thought about the best place to start looking for scum. I got the feeling, were in a typical situation of town talking, scum watching.

Is that comment, by chance directed at me? If so then please tell me how did " not the safest place" statement got translated into "innocent", while you were reading my post? You even prove my point about "no lynch" place not being the safest one, since you suspect Ferastical because of that. Also, I did mention what I think is the best place to start looking for a scum. Does it somehow negate other locations ( especially when we have 3 scum and I was talking about one)? My suspicion of Ferastical has nothing to do with the fact that they no lynched at day end. It has everything to do with bailing off a wagon late into the day when it was unlikely that Rafay would survive the day, and he ends up coming up town. That is behavior that occurs in scum fairly often, jumping on a wagon to give it momentum and then getting off before the end so that when the person comes up town (like the person knows they will since they are scum) they can say they didn't vote for the townie. With any behavior like that you can of course make the argument that they do or don't do exactly this or that thing because it "looks scummy", but with nothing else to go on it stuck out to me where none of the other events of day 1 did. In other words, you seem to be straw manning my suspicion on Ferastical in order to refute my problems with your argument, but you are simply misrepresenting my arguments instead of addressing them. The more this goes on the more suspicious the whole thing gets. ABT appears to be attempting to maneuver the discussion to particular targets with little to no actual reason for said targets. Whenever he runs into a dissenting opinion he misrepresents and obfuscates the points being made. You wrote in the previous post yore suspicious of ferastical because he " bailed off Rafays wagon and ended up a no vote". To cite you: "how else do you want me to interpret your literal words?" If no vote was irrelevant, dont mention it, or dont be surprised others will pay attention to it. Other than that it would be nice for you to be more specific with your comments. - what are the examples of " whenever he runs into dissenting opinion..." ? You build impression that Im constantly doing something shady. I'll be glad to see where. - How Im trying to maneuver discussion? I've stated my opinion and then been responding to KevinH posts. You vote the same guy as I do...you feel that I somehow manipulated you into doing that?

Secret recording of discussion from the scum lair: "Would anyone expect all of the scum to pile onto the lynch wagon? No? Let's do it!" Too bad you didn't go with the plan

Don't be scared Torres. Those accusations are baseless and you'll win at any court

Is that comment, by chance directed at me? If so then please tell me how did " not the safest place" statement got translated into "innocent", while you were reading my post? You even prove my point about "no lynch" place not being the safest one, since you suspect Ferastical because of that. Also, I did mention what I think is the best place to start looking for a scum. Does it somehow negate other locations ( especially when we have 3 scum and I was talking about one)?

That looks bad. Unfortunatelly we've lost one day. We got 4 lynch chances, now due to no lynch yesterday we have just 3. I trust you'd not go with a low play of "family excuse" in order to save your scum pal and I assume it was just a bad luck. Personally I don't feel like voting on you in retaliation, but we cannot have any more of such accidents, or we'll lose. This is not the case. Unfortunatelly we need to vote and lynch people, even if that means going blind. Best case we need to lynch 2 scum and hope PC will mop up the last one at night.

So to recap my posts (#234, #245). It's day 2 we know there are scum hiding somewhere among us, but we don't know where. We can only speculate. So where could they go? We have Rafays wagon, other minor wagons and "no vote" line. They could sit in any of those places. "No vote" line is not the safest place - since in this game we have to vote (there's no other way we can gain information) sitting there draws attention. Since Rafay turned out to be town his wagon obviously draws attention too. And we got one scum there already. Would anyone here expect that all of the scum have pilled on his wagon? I don't think so. And finally we have minor wagons, that seem to be the safest place to blend in for the scum. It would be reasonable to expect that we might have scum hiding there, right? WRONG According to KevinH it's: A false premise. If any of you had such an idea then most probably you're scum, apparently according to KevinH it's impossible for the scum to hide among minor wagons. According to him, expecting for just one scum to hide there is a "Terrible assumption" and "Terrible math", because obviously it's more likely for 3 scum to pile on the Rafay's wagon. And just by accident KevinH's the one sitting on the minor wagons after his lul vote on WP. All in all it sounds like KevinH's not as much interested in finding scum, as rather deflecting and saving his own hide. And I'm inclined to go even bit further with my terrible math and up 33%-chances to 50%, since Tony, opposed to other two, does act like a town.

I didn't ignore your questions ( why would I?). I didnt see any question that you directed to me. If you show me that question I'll gladly respond.

Terrible assumptions. Terrible math. Day 1 Final Votes: Rafay (8): Baby, Abt, Limey, Wp, Tw, Dontavian, Lilywad, Brewers Tony Maurice (2): Rafay, Robert Torres (1): Tony Wolfpacks (1): Kevin Not voting: Torres, Ferastical Who's left? 1 Mafia Cop Switch 1 Mafia Doc Switch 1 Mafia Vig Switch 1 Serial Killer (with Mafia NK Immunity OR Vig/Cop Immunity) 1 Cop 1 Doctor 1 Vigilante 7 6 Townies Even if your assumption is true about 1 scum being among the 3 listed players, that leaves 2 scum among the rest. Vote: Ali bin Turban For making a false premise. So much text here and zero arguments. You say my assumption is terrible / false but you dont even mention why. You say my math is terrible and even if there is a scum among those 3 Ive mentioned there are also 2 others among the rest (which is 8). Is 33% chance for scum somehow worse than 25%? If we cut off quoting statistics from your post then what remains is: "I say youre wrong, therefore I vote you". Nothing other than a padded OMGUS vote.

For this type of game it's a poor excuse. With very slim chances for investigations there will be a lot of randomness. I don't know what else were you expecting. That reminder about Torres is interesting. Though lets look at it from other perspective. Whether one of 10+ townies is playing like a town or not is not that important. Definitelly less than if for instance he'd be a SK. SK trolling and getting lynched would be spoiling game a bit.

Honestly the play of the game. What a #GOAT move. This was the catalyst to brewers immaculate performance. Honestly he deserves all the adulation and even the MVP award for his performance. But this play was the game changer. Anyways, hats off to brewers. Haha, you're so full of yourself, but that's kinda right. It was a good move on your part . yeah i almost got fucked there tho if you shot me it wouldnt have mattered TW was out of one bulletproof layer, Torres was gunning for him and you got him exposed with a motion detector lie when KevinH died. You had upper hand . Nonetheless great performance. Congratulations . he had apparently two bp shots so he still had one, and a bomb so even if i killed him i would have killed myself lolLol, a bomb. He was surely armed to the teeth...but thats what you got Torres for. To hammer and eat the bomb :D

Honestly the play of the game. What a #GOAT move. This was the catalyst to brewers immaculate performance. Honestly he deserves all the adulation and even the MVP award for his performance. But this play was the game changer. Anyways, hats off to brewers. Haha, you're so full of yourself, but that's kinda right. It was a good move on your part . yeah i almost got fucked there tho if you shot me it wouldnt have mattered TW was out of one bulletproof layer, Torres was gunning for him and you got him exposed with a motion detector lie when KevinH died. You had upper hand . Nonetheless great performance. Congratulations .

To be honest KevinH's play was a bit lifeless. At the start of the day it was clear from Velocitys comment there are 2 other factions apart from town. And the best way in this case for the town would be to introduce everyone to each other, vote no lynch and let SK / mafia sort it out between themselves at night. Voting a town was not the best choice, but still much better than voting mafia or SK (which would be handling victory to the not lynched faction). But i stil wonder why poor Torres had to die

GG everyone and thanks Velocity for running the game. It was really fun to play. I knew there was something wrong with Brewers after MK's outburst. I was thinking about shooting you...shame I wasn't more reckless . I wonder why did it end with the draw? With KevinH's dead Brewers and TW basically knew each others identities. Why haven't you went for each other? Torres was irrelevant at this point.

That's how every game's starting. But if we don't have a solid wagons going and having a conversation, then every day untill we lose at the end we'll see 2 more dead and we'll go with "there's not much clue right now". i mean i think youre probably right here, tho i do think scum could also be on the no lynch train so we should not discredit that as a possibility. and yeah it sounds like tony is calling an fos on abt for some reason. vote: kevinH Yes definitelly, scum can hide everywhere. But we need to make assumptions and work on the most likely cases and see where they'll take us. And if that was Tony's FoS on me, then the reason must be, that he's among the 3 characters I've mentioned.

Nobody knows anything (as far as town is concerned). We cannot sit and preach for the rain (or rather for Cop), most probably he was blocked and won't come and save us. Without any other means of getting information, we need to lynch. As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH. From here it's pretty random, so let' say: vote Robert If you have other theories and types for the lynch, then it's great. We need a discussion and wagons.

I work in a project for a big US corpo and literally all of the people Im involved with are stout Biden supporters, who dont understand how one can vote for Trump. Then I come here and its the other way around. And the best part is that those two gentelmen are not even close to what a 300m nation should be able offer for a leading position. You're in line to get lynched. Do you even care? Why do you even play these games? Lol I genuinely don't understand why you're barely even trying. Probably jester4Life