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Lul votes = not taking the game seriously, isn't it?

Why are you doing it brewers?

@brewers keep in mind torres was on MKs wagon before it became a cool place to be ( he jumped on right after me, before MK start posting) @Lww why so sure about Canik? What makes you think so? Also what are your plans - you have not make any votes yet? @Canik, everyone, scum included will tell us that they will flip town? Noone can treat such statement as an argument. Maybe instead can you explain why you voted and claimed to be so sure about KevinH, just to admit when questioned, that you have no proof on him? We're not D1 anymore. Such lul votes hurts town and will get you lynched.

Ferastical, be careful. With those type of messages you never know who finds them. If its mafia, you're dead. If its town they probably wont believe you anyway (what if its a mafia guy playing with them?). Though admittedly they have their uses (for example for cop to post his results in case he dies)

I agree with KevinH and it's actually not the first time. Canik tried to push for Lyner the same way day before: His drama action is not the only reason to vote. Just one more. I've posted today (voted Canik). Are you some kind of activity police now ? Also, I was pretty sure I voted on Canik before I switched to KevinH last day (otherwise I wouldn't post "unvote" before voting on KevinH). But I couldn't find that post...do we still have a problem with someone accidentally deleting posts ?

GG everyone. It was fun to play. Also thanks KevinH for hosting (and especially for choosing a game that's not overloaded with power roles). BTW, it's so funny to see how others think so differently. I was expecting mafia to look for JOATs and I thought of myself as being too loud to be JOAT. But you weren't even looking for them . And I got a weird case of chosing targets, that also were targeted by scum. I checked Tracked torres, he died next day, I checked Robert, he was attacked next day, I checked Ghaws and he died the same day.

That's really weird. Canik starts pushing KevinH, so people ask for evidence. Then he posts that he actually has no evidence and follows it with not-convicing-at-all "what if" analysis. Then a mere moment pases with only 2 people posting, that they are not persuaded...and Canik enters drama mode. That does not look like a reasonable town to me. More like a scum that tried to do scum hunting and it backfired. I'm also out of compassion for "I give up" posts (it was depleted in KevinH's game with MK's "I give up", when he turned out to be scum). vote Canik I hope you weren't town then and got lynched for that. A townie shouldn't be messing up with his town buddies with such actions.

That next one up the list was voting on MK, when it was still unknown who's who. At that point wagons were like this: MK (3): brewersalliance, ABT, Torres ABT (1): KevinH You're not even trying to be helpful to the town. unvote vote: KevinH

MK didnt look like he wanted to take down a townie. He looked like doing an excersise out of "100 ways to get lynched fast" handbook. Anyway delving into this topic further doesnt feel like 100% fair play. There were rules broken, mod intervention and probably some true info among MK lies, we were not supposed to know. Still what was seen, cannot be unseen. While Rafay and Torres now seem to probably be town ( and Lyner getting couple of townie points), Im not eager to treat brewers as confirmed ( or very likely) townie. I must have missed something. Where did you saw a connection between Lyner and MK. There must be some indications that they worked together. Otherwise you wouldnt write about "separation" attempt.

So many interesting things happened and so many are still uknown. There's zero reason to end this day early. To quickly recap the situation: Let's start from a bit less interesting part: Earlier in the day we got a voting dilema: me or MK. It wasn't a simple 2 wagon situation. This time everyone knew there's a scum on one of those wagons, though only scum (and me) knew which one is it. Before MK started stirring the pot, it's reasonable to expect that his wagon would be pushed only by town, while my wagon would be pushed by both town and scum. MK's wagon: Brewers, me, Torres My wagon: KevinH, Canik. This means: - Torres gets good amount of town points. I'd be expected to give them also to brewers, but he deserves more discussion. - My wagon is unknown. We could find town here, but we could also find scum that will try to protect their teammate. When we look at KevinH, he joined because: He didn't took part in discussion (except for answering to my questions), though it's not something that would condemn him. When we look at Canik, he joined because: "To spice things up and make both wagons viable" sounds like a weird reason for a town to vote. Under assumption that Canik would be a scum, it's more understandable why he wouldn't like MK's wagon to gain to much advantage. Secondly, after MK's revelations Canik changes his vote to Lyner, even though Lyner was the one that get voted by MK early this day (which gives Lyner some townie points). Those two events make me suspicious about Canik. There's also LWW. Even though he didn't voted on me, I personaly felt like he really wanted, but for some reason he was beating around the bush. He's chasing me since D1 and this might be some kind of personal vendetta, rather than scum hunting, since after MK's mod kill, he went into "nothing to see here, move along and vote no lynch" mode, when there are still so many things to pursue. Now onto more interesting things: We got MK that was heavily frustrated. This is 100% not a situation where a scum simply gets caught by a cop. There's much more. So here's the list of MK's claims: - He's the same alignment as Brewers. - Brewers "was supposed to be his teammate". Word "supposed" suggest that maybe they weren't directly in the same team, but had the same goals (like a traitor and mafia). - All his "teammates" are backstabbing roles. I treat "all" as an exageration. To me it rather suggests that brewers is not the only "teammate" MK got into conflict with (if I'm not mistaken, the only one he quarreled with apart from Brewers is LWW). - He exchanged private messages with Brewers (that "what the hell" vs "It's nothing personal, just business" message) - Brewers revealed his role to him, which apparently prevents (or makes it harder) to lynch him. This all suggests that: - Brewers is not a town. - Town adversaries might not be a monolith team, but at least two connected entities. - It can be that Brewers didn't have full information about his "teammates" (like a traitor role) and his plan backfired due to MK getting surprised by the turn of events and getting enraged.

Thank you for your trust. I'll be a good president!

I feel you have a deep resentment towards me and it's affecting the way you're interpreting my words. I use numbers, that's no secret. Does it somehow make me scummy to say that other people (like KevinH) use numbers too? Am I forbidden to say that I have different view on the numbers KevinH used? Also I'm not bothered at all, that people might think I'm a scum. Why would I? This is normal part of the game, especially so early when virtually everyone can be a scum. I was talking about something entirely different, but I doubt that explaining it again will help you. I'll just say, that after this day you'll have to recalibrate your "clasic cases of scum behavior".

Im not from US so I dont have opinion on your republican / democrat choice. Can I be Kim Jong-un the SK ?

I've been thinking and this is kind of a weird thing to push someone on. I can imagine how to you this doesn't seem 50/50 since you're confirmed to not be the same alignment as MK, and you would obviously know your own alignment, but we don't know anything other than that you both have different alignments. We can have theories and stuff, but without any additional information, we really can't do better than 50/50 odds in guessing which of you is scum. This of course assumes that you're not both scum, which is possible but not the most likely option at this time. I guess it's fine to defend yourself or help push the case against MK, but I don't get why you'd question someone on why they're not more confident about alignments than any other townie could be at this point. This made me LOL I asked KevinH specifically because he's fan of numbers and his fancy statistics. In this scenario 50/50 is an obvious starting point. Then there's a question, if there were any actions that can tilt this scale? Did MKs vote on Lyner without any explanation feel a bit scummy? If yes, I could expect in KevinH eyes it should have tilted scale slightly (surely nearly not enough to be confident who to choose). KevinH however stated that MK's action was not suspicious to him at all.

I want to see it, count me in.

I'm asking about his 50-50 numbers I can't question his vote. He does what he wants. I can question his explanation though.

That's interesting opinion. So you believe that MK's vote for Lyner was a perfectly normal behaviour for a town and it does not tilt those chances at all?

I'm a town, so for me choice is obvious...though I imagine for rest of you not so much, since MK will 100% say the same thing. I can't really throw an argument against him (apart from his strange vote on Lyner) since it's just a beginning of D2 and we had no real discussion. I trust Brewers claim, since if he was a scum he surely would not want to sacrifice himself at the very begining of the game. Interesting though, apart from me and MK, Brewers revelation will also have an impact on Rafay and Lyner, since it's unlikely (especially for Rafay) that they'll be in the same team. vote MK

Having 5 targets is a good way to let scum decide who gets lynched. Lets make that list shorter. Unvote Vote MK

Posting three-liner, that takes 20s to write is a concerted effort? Are you hailing from some lazy-land? Nah...can't be because you're constantly trying way too hard.I don't understand why you constantly refuse to even acknowledge doing something scummy. I was gonna say you're almost as bad as Rafay, but honestly it's not even close lol, he's the king of doing no wrong in his own mind. You're on your way though. I don't really care to push this anymore, brewers is probably right that sticking your neck out on D1 to get people to lynch a rando would be pretty dumb as scum, and I think you're a smarter player than to do that. All this defensiveness is interesting though, I'll have my eye on you for the next few days when votes have more consequence. Unvote Does anyone have a post count? I'm curious how far ahead of MK I am. If you stop using hyperboles (like "constantly refuse" in your current post) your life will change for better. Oh and since you unvoted don't forget to vote Rafay.

In my humble opinion this is crap. You FOS Ferastical and name him as second scum and in the next sentence you say that last scum could be Brewers, which makes no sense. If Ferastical is a scum then Brewers must be a town. Noone even looked at Ferastical untill Brewers started pushing to lynch him. And in general that three names look like classic scum move: "post two towns and one of your pals among them as your suspects". vote Finster (though I'm still open to idea of voting MK should town be at risk of no lynch)

I told you so. Lyner is a liar, first and foremost. But whenever i point it out, everyone wants to lynch me. But you've also said that he has fascist tendencies. Should I treat this statement seriously too?

That's a crazy wall of text. I'm willing to vote on MK myself but you lost me with your elaborate arguments. I already said my piece You really think everyone remembers all others motives to vote? Also game is ongoing and new things appear constantly. Don't be lazy and write those two sentences to recap your stance. Unless you don't care.

Posting three-liner, that takes 20s to write is a concerted effort? Are you hailing from some lazy-land? Nah...can't be because you're constantly trying way too hard.

Tony didn't defend Rafay. He was questioning those defending Rafay.