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That's the point. Ferastical and Brewers are in the conflict right now and you're trying to keep those animosities. But since you say you didn't meant to harm town, it's fine then. You would never lie, would you? Such scummy trolling is hardly helpful for a town and I'm pretty sure it would get you instantly lynched outside of this forums. Why should we accept plays that are detrimental to the town? Also That's a crazy wall of text. I'm willing to vote on MK myself but you lost me with your elaborate arguments.

That would be awesome (and quick) game. Like a saloon shooting scene in the old west Kill Everyone Mafia had 4 town vigilantes 3 mafia goons (It's the infamous random number game that still has Lyner salty) It was a game where you came up with a fake randomness and caused townies to shoot each other, wasn't it? I remember browsing through it back in the days. That was a good game with inteligent play. We should have more of those, instead of role madness games with tons of informative roles, which make people lazy (just sit doing nothing, till someone finds something). He did not, I’m asking a few people about replacing him but so far it’s not looking super promising, I’ll prolly post in my signup thread tomorrow morning. Vote count also comes tomorrow morning (for me), I’ve had an 18 hour day (4:30 AM to 10:30 PM) and have 0 energy. Maybe just freeze his character for the time being (since atm he's just an empty seat) and replace as soon as uniformed townies start dying in this game.

Keep in mind that I casted the lynching vote for Wolfpacks (a now known town) ~20-25 minutes before the deadline yesterday. Had I not voted for Wolfpacks or opted to vote for someone else, the day would have ended without a lynch and we would have even less to work with today than we did yesterday. We were ultimately wrong but I figured no lynch wasn't an option. No matter what Wolfpacks' alignment ended up being we would at least have something else to examine today. If I was scum I wouldn't have done that for town and make myself look bad when I cast the deciding vote in the lynching of a townie. I would have been perfectly happy with nothing happening yesterday. This is correct, though I think, it's a bit more complicated. Town has put itself in a bad spot, creating a situation, where 20 minutes before deadline there were just 2 options, lynch WP or no lynch. So whomever came and hammer that wagon, be it town or scum, could have made a valid justification, that it's better to lynch a suspect than not to lynch anyone at all (and for scum lynching townie without consequences is better than not lynching at all). That being said, hammering is always risky and not something scum would like to do. So for me it's not something that would put you on a scum list, but still not enough to get you on the town side.

That would be awesome (and quick) game. Like a saloon shooting scene in the old west

I mean, its more off of who's he's voted for and who's died. I also like the take the hard and less traveled road. If your saying I look more town cause I'm not being a wall flower and just sheeping, sure, but what makes you think I"m town? As I said, it's due to your long posts. They don't seem fake, but rather describe something you seem to believe in. Hence that townish feel...even though I don't share your opinion about Brewers. I had doubts about him, but as I said, at the end of last day he put a lot of effort into something that not only he didn't have to do, but would also endanger him, if he was a scum. I'm also not sold on the idea that Ferastical is a scum. His yesterday's wagon jumping looks more townish than scummish to me. Assuming both MK/WP are town and Ferastical is a scum, what's the difference to him which one gets lynched? I was also thinking about Lyner. Could MK be right and Lyner actually be a scum? I'm not convinced due to Tony's wagon: Tony Maurice (7): brewersalliance, Lord MK, Finster Baby, Ferastical, ghaws, The Warrior, Tony Maurice, Since Lyner's against MK and Finster (and coupled this with my opinion on Brewers/Ferastical), him being a scum would mean there were no scum on the wagon (TW was so far that I think he didn't even count) Right now Im suspicious about: - Finster. Even though WP turning out to be town lessen that, his evasive vote on Rafay yesterday didn't build up my trust. - MK. Yesterday he was further on the list due to other suspects, but WP case changed things. I don't like his comments aimed to sow discord among town. Last one is for example this: Secondly it shows that he tries to latch onto Brewer's back as his pal (which, btw, is one more indicator of Brewers being town). Also when his wagon grow to 3 people yesterday, he reminded himself about WP, which sounded like a bit desperate call to look for lynch elsewhere - Velocity: I actually don't have feeling about him right now, because he does not participate much, but when I reread his yesterdays comment it seemed a bit odd: Now, knowing that WP indeed turned out to be Town, it looks a bit like trying to avoid a lynch of someone else. All that's left are TW and Rafay. Fact that both MK and Finster pushed for Rafay indicates he might be town. TW on the other hand has too little activity and always comes late, to get a feeling about him.

Yesterday end of day I was very suspicious about Brewers, but it was under the assumption that WP is a scum. With him turning out to be town, Brewers actions look much different. Sure, as everyone here, he still can be a scum, but its not a scum way to push so fervently for Ferastical's lynch. Why would he do that? So that instead of townie on my wagon, townie on his wagon gets lynched, so he can put himself in a worse spot? He 's also been present till thread locking, meaning most probably he was interested in the outcome. Again not the scum way. I'm not swayed by deaths Brewers wagon theory. I cant imagine Brewers killing people just because they voted on him ( instead of acctually looking for joats). Robert, while I do have town feel about you ( those genuine long posts, where you really put up an efort) I dont see substancial evidence against Brewers, even though you hunt him for a few days now. We need to think hard what to do next. I'll address few other things later on ( now Im at work)

Just don't do it again, please.

Is this a serious question? So you admit I have valid reasons to vote Rafay on a first day ... but at the same time, even though my justification is valid, you say I'm not allowed to ask others to join me. What kind of logic is that? What's more, if you're considering following statement as a serious attempt to push for Rafay's lynch ... then there might be a problem, because you're clearly overreacting in Rafay's defense.

Charge me up looks good and a desperado looks like a nice vig equivalent where happy triggers eliminate themselves

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I agree 100% with LWW. That was absolutelly bad play MK. When you lie town loses 2 days ( first to lynch innocent, then to lynch liar) add 2 night kills and you have 4 dead townies being a total price. And for what? For saving piece of information that may not even be usefull to mafia? Isnt that what Torres says, when he Vig kills random people? You hunt him for that, yet you do even worse things yourself

Here you go. I've filtered out all irrelevant information: Rafay (1): ABT ( maybe someone else has joined but Im to lazy to check) Care to jump on? Sure thing. Vote: AbT Trying to get people to join a D1 lynch when you can't possibly know if someone is scum or not is sus. Also can we please not no lynch today? I've yet to see a game where it actually paid off for town, and wagon analysis tends to be a much better way for us to start figuring out who the scum are. Since we know nothing on D1, it's the day, when we can try to get rid of players which will endanger town in the future ( for example lurkers, that you cant read). It can also be a tool to deter bad gameplay (so in this case if you' keep being a notorious lurker you risk getting lynched at the begining of the game).

Here you go. I've filtered out all irrelevant information: Rafay (1): ABT ( maybe someone else has joined but Im to lazy to check) Care to jump on?

Surely mafia knows a lot. And captainjf hasnt logged on the forum for last 6 days. He might be gone.

Brewers you're trying a bit too hard to connect WP scuminess ( hopefully) with as many people as you can. Above all, if WP turns out to be scum, it'll shed a new light on your enormous commitment to get Ferastical lynched instead of him. And when you admitted being mafia on D1, that was a joke, right? Or it acctualy wasn't?

You forgot to add that such a wagon jumping in order to save ones hide is perceived very scummy and thus one could expect other players to pile on his wagon. As a result he'd gain nothing apart from reassuring others about his own alignment.

I don't believe there's a busing being done here. He joined Wolfpacks wagon as a second person and we're still far from reaching consensus on whom to lynch. I don't trust Wolfpacks and Finster (who's apparently trying to lay low and made irrelevant vote on Rafay, so that noone bothers him for not voting). Right now I'm leaning towards Robert, Lyner, MK, Rafay, Velocity, Ferastical being town.

Wolfpacks, few hours ago you said yourself you think I'm not a scum. However when I kept pushing and pointing out your inconsistencies it suddenly turned out, that not only you think the opposite, but also that somehow I know that you know. Youre constantly changing your story and now Im pretty sure youre scum.

Why is voting on someone called "having a grudge"? Aren't we suddenly allowed to vote on people because of scum hunting? Why is person, who voted on Rafay 3 pages ago, because he didn't died in Torres game, advising people to chill out? What's up with your habit of preaching about something you don't adhere to yourself?

Wolfpacks: - yesterday you've jumped off Finster's wagon when it reached the same number of voters as Tony's wagon. Now you're saying, that you think he's a scum. - yesterday you were buing in with Robert about Brewers, that he's a scum. Now you're saying that he does not sound scummy to you. To me it seems, that you have no readings at all. You sound like a scum making things up.

Right now Im thinking both Lyner and MK might be town ( even though MK's playstyle is scummy). I was a bit suspicious about Brewers, but as new suspects appear, he's of my list for now ( after all there cannt be more than 3 scums) My main suspects are Wolfpacks and then Finster.

I took a look at Wolfpacks history. Last day he initialy voted on Finster, when Tonys wagon was in the lead. However he unvoted as soon as both wagons got equal number of votes, with following comment: An odd reasoning to start suspecting those two, at the same time, when they're in obvious conflict and cant both be scum.

There was no wagon against Rafay, just me voting. He's my default lurking target, unless more convincing options appear. So if I may ask, where are you going with that question?

Deadline is closing and we can't end day with no lynch, so we need to start voting. Even though most probably there are scum on Tony's wagon, I think they may also hide among non-voters. Out of them Wolfpacks look the most suspicious to me. He didn't share his reasons and all he said in his defence, was to look at the Tony's wagon instead. I asked him twice about his view on the mentioned wagon, but he's avoiding answer. vote Wolfpacks