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It really depends on your definition of the most talented QB. I agree that Brady isn't the most physically gifted QB ever but there is a lot that goes into being a great QB and apparently Brady has great intangibles.. for what its worth, Montana who is the only other QB that should be considered in the greatest QB conversation wasn't really gifted physically either..

Whaaa.. there are plenty of people in NE that know football. Denver didn't make it to the playoffs last year and with Raiders becoming better I doubt they would be in playoffs this year either.. Though, I agree that Broncos are one of the teams that is a tough matchup for Patriots. Except 2007 when Brady had Randy Moss, Patriots have never given him a WR that could be considered elite in NFL. I think Belichick is the best coach ever but his record before Tom Brady tells us that its a case of a great quarterback working with a great coach..

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Isn't any answer other than Patriots just wrong?

Nice rig.. Any specific game titles that you are looking forward to play?

Hm.. I didn't want scum to target me but now its the town doing the killing.

l will let fermion decide and lets just hope tW is scum.

As I indicated the ability has a limited number of shots. I would much rather use it when its most needed. Also, even if I were to survive the kill, it doesn't prove anything as a scum roleblocker could've easily just blocked Fermion's action. If I were to use my ability, I would much rather have my townliness proved and I see the tracker strategy working a whole lot better than this one. But you said I am scum because I was looking for an easy kill by telling Fermion to shoot you. But if you can commute at night how am I advocating for an easy kill? So, once I have used my ability tonight, I wouldn't be able to use it again and become an easy kill for scum. At the same time, it doesn't help the town at all. How is that not scummy? It makes you scummy because if you were a townie, you could have said there was no x to it and that you could continue to use it as a ploy to keep scum from targeting you anyway. Too late now, but it doesn't matter because you weren't trying to keep scum from targeting you, you were trying to keep the town from targeting you because you are scum. ^^^^^^^^^ Also the above. Commuter without an X would be a OP role.. meh, it hardly matters, I can't use the ability anyway.. hope you figure out who the real scum are..

There is way too much to go through. I will post my thoughts once I am able to digest everything.

As I indicated the ability has a limited number of shots. I would much rather use it when its most needed. Also, even if I were to survive the kill, it doesn't prove anything as a scum roleblocker could've easily just blocked Fermion's action. If I were to use my ability, I would much rather have my townliness proved and I see the tracker strategy working a whole lot better than this one. But you said I am scum because I was looking for an easy kill by telling Fermion to shoot you. But if you can commute at night how am I advocating for an easy kill? So, once I have used my ability tonight, I wouldn't be able to use it again and become an easy kill for scum. At the same time, it doesn't help the town at all. How is that not scummy?

As I indicated the ability has a limited number of shots. I would much rather use it when its most needed. Also, even if I were to survive the kill, it doesn't prove anything as a scum roleblocker could've easily just blocked Fermion's action. If I were to use my ability, I would much rather have my townliness proved and I see the tracker strategy working a whole lot better than this one.

Why wouldnt you recommend it? Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum. Agreed but there would be just 2 scum left and one has to do the action. If neither of the two investigated makes an action then the third must be the one who did the kill. I don't see a need to force my hand into making an action or take a action that increases the probability of town loss when there is just a simple mathematical elimination that can be done to ensure town wins. Also, as I mentioned, I have a limited number of actions, so I would much rather keep the option open to use the ability of not. Doesn't look like a very valid reason. You are probably scum who got caught lying about your role. Aren't you the scum looking to get easy kills.. oh well.. with all the investigative roles someone was bound to be scum and here we have it...

If tW is scum and lynched, it would be 5 v 2 next morning and we would have enough time/information to easily take the game home.

Why wouldnt you recommend it? Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum. Agreed but there would be just 2 scum left and one has to do the action. If neither of the two investigated makes an action then the third must be the one who did the kill. I don't see a need to force my hand into making an action or take a action that increases the probability of town loss when there is just a simple mathematical elimination that can be done to ensure town wins. Also, as I mentioned, I have a limited number of actions, so I would much rather keep the option open to use the ability of not.

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum. If TW is town, then I would recommend taking out Rafay/KevinH as then we don't have the liberty of having multiple investigative abilities and we would need to get lucky with vig kills. Also, just to add to it, if tW is found scum.. we would probably win this game easily from here.

We need to have a strategy for the night. If TW is scum then I would assume atleast two scum to be on the KevinH bandwagon and I think our followers/trackers should target 2 of the 4 on that list. Also, in this case, I don't think the vig should target anyone. Also, since I am on that list, I would like to be tracked/followed to clear my name. If TW comes up as town, then its very likely that both KevinH and Rafay are scum. I would recommend our tracker to follow one of them.. I think if we follow a strategy we should be able to win this game by simple elimination. Anyone else have any thoughts on the strategy?

Shouldn't be, there were only 4 votes on him.

You keep saying that I was pressuring town to lynch Fermion while I was the one to point out that flavor indicates that he is a vig and he might be town. As far as I remember, you were on the Fermion bandwagon and then tried to force a lynch on KevinH and are now trying to lead the lynch against someone else. I am sorry, but your actions don't make sense to me. I am going to come out and role claim to support the double kill block theory on night 1. I am a commuter (its a X-shot role) and I traveled on night 1. I was also going out of my way on day 1 to become a target. Now, to move to the next part of my theory, its not possible for town to have so many investigative abilities and I am certain that some of those claiming to have the investigative ability are scum. This leads me to suspecting the following 1) KevinH 2) Rafay 3) Imran For what it is worth, the claims of KevinH are supported by Rafay (another person on the list) and Fermion (everyone already knew what he did on night 1). I believe at this time, the scum are most likely to be KevinH, CoD and SM Unvote Vote:KevinH

I was also the first to point out that he might not be the best guy to lynch but I can understand.

Ha ha.. since we are diving into this rabbit hole. My crazy theory actually works better with scum having watchers/trackers. For a minute lets forget that Imran is very likely town, then this is how it works. Scum have the watchers ability and they target three people every night and they know who killed other than them. Imran claims to be a tracker, and leads town on lynching people that scum would otherwise have problems taking out. The bullet proof SK was definitely a role that mafia couldn't have taken out without a lynch. Still likely, though we need to explain 2 kills. He is claiming 3 shot vig and its game over if he is not town.

We have already seen a JOAT, Tracker, follower, Voyeur. I am not sure if Rafay having the watcher ability gives him any townie points. Could he be the scum watcher?

My 100% certainty is beginning to slip. Mod: Does the mafia have day-talk? lol.. I guess I am just happy that I am not the only one who is crazy enough to come up with it.

I believe this applies to all the townies at this time but yeah, its important that Fermion takes it seriously.

Ok, if Fermion is a town vig then why was there just 1 kill on day 1? He could still kill on that night.. I would give Fermion nothing more than 50% chance of being a town and you are running with the assumption that he is town vig. I really dislike the scenario of this game ending because we knew of someone who killed a townie and failed to act. At the time I voted, you had already unvoted and if I really wanted to save KevinH then it would've be really easy to hammer Fermion before this whole discussion started. Now, to the point of kills being blocked on night 1, the mod indicated that there was a fight downtown.. its not impossible that multiple could've been blocked or that scum wasn't allowed to use their extra kill on night 1.. Just wondering but are you scum and having trouble killing me?