Imran Ehsan

@Perez: You are still avoiding my question. @Shah: If Perez is scum (as I strongly believe so), then here are two possibilities: 1. He is the scum Watcher and ccabal is town watcher. So he used his action on me and saw ccabal, Lyner and Yehom use their actions on me. He knows ccabal is a Watcher as well and yehom claimed bodyguard. They targetted and killed Mandarijn, so the only ones without known roles are Lyner, EM and you. He saw Lyner use his action on me and not you or EM. So they deduced Lyner is the doc. In a game with so many cops there is bound to be a doc. He knows if he claims Watcher, he will immediately be known as scum bc it is extremely doubtful that there will be 2 same roles for townies. So instead he plays the Voyeur card and only reveals what actions were made knowing very well ccabal will confirm him as ccabal would have seen him visit me as well. I think the reason for them using their watcher to target me was to find the doc. They were not sure who the doc was and they were betting the doc will protect me. In that scenario, I would say at least one of EM or Shah, is Perez's scum partner. And probably one from Finster, iSocialism is the 3rd/4th scum. or 2. And this is what is much more likely. Both ccabal and Perez are scum. ccabal Watched me at night to find the doc. Perez either did the 2nd kill or some other scum action. ccabal informed who performed their actions on me and using the same logic as above identified the Lyner must be the doc. So Perez comes out blazing right as day starts and ccabal backs his claim to basically confirm each other. In this scenario Perez, ccabal and 2 (or 1) out of Shah, EM, FInster and iSoc are scum. Thats the only thing that makes sense to me. Perez was trying to paint Yehom as scum as well, so I dont think Yehom is their scum partner but definitely he was 2-3 partners out there with no claims or fake claims.

These claims really fit well with your story except the problem is you are making these claims "after the fact", i.e. no one can confirm them.

I was nowhere near being about to be "persecuted". If I was scum why would I have made that claim when no one suspected me? The town cop "protected" me? I dont get it. How does a cop protect? You are not making any sense. I am not defending anyone. I am just revealing the results I got from my night actions that I also did on D3. On the other hand, you have been lurking most of the game while only posting that you have a "power" role that you can use every night while saying that you have no info that you can reveal. And then on N3 Mandarijn and Robert turns up dead and suddenly and you come out blazing accusing TW and me being scum. I am seeing a pattern here. If anyone wants to go back and look at my list of potential suspects, you will see Perez very high on my scummy list, while Robert is very high on my townie list. The night kills stinks of a clear attempt to manipulate votes based on what was posted on D3. Robert is killed while being high on my townie list, trying to paint me as one of the scum who took out an almost confirmed townie. They also had their Vig buddy take out Mandarijn to attempt to paint TW as scum. They probably knew I was going to be protected at night so they had to design the night kills such that a powerful townie role is made suspect and his night results discredit while getting through another easy lynch on a suspicious looking townie. Nice strategy there, but it wont work. There are too many flaws and inconsistencies in your posts. Also please dont avoid my question on how you knew that a Vig will attempt a kill in the night.

Pretty sure I revealed all these on D3. I used my action on Rafay on N1. I got the result that he is a 3-shot Role Stopper. I tried using my action on Yehom on N2. But I got "No Result" feedback from the Mod. I thought I was role- blocked, but as we have seen no role blocker claims yet, its also possible the following may have happened. 1. Scum role blocker blocked me 2. Yehom also has acetic ability 3. Rafay used his action on Yehom. One of the 3 above could have resulted in a No Result from the Mod.

^ for the record my star wars name is Rey. I am a role cop.

looking at the players already signed up, this game is gonna be epic. Make it good Kaz! still missing Mango, Lyner, Rafay, iSocialism though....

There was no way I would have known that no other Role Cops existed in the game if I was was in fact a scum role cop. For all i knew anyone of Mandarijn, you, lyner, EM or Shah could be a role cop. If i was scum there is no way I would have made that claim just to get Rafay lynched. He would have been lynched any waymost probably with or without my role claim. So your accusations hold no water. What I find extremely suspicious is Mandarijn getting killed at night, a player who was himself looking pretty suspicious, and you coming out guns blazing on TW right as day starts. It seems all too scripted to me. The scum wants another good townie lynch so they will try to set up the most easy guy to be lynched. So the scum kills manadarijn, who had not claimed any role, over some more valuable kills. And conveniently you come out on D4 accusing (and voting) for TW and me on the very weird reasoning that I was protected by 2 players (?) How does that even make sense? I think you could not be sure whether I investigated TW at night or not so the accusation on me. I am still unclear on ccabal's role on this though. They seem to be confirming each other so I am still not sure if they are working together or whether Perez's scum team knew somehow ccabal targetted me at night as well. I would need to go back and look at R2V's previous posts to see if I can dig out something suspicious. By the way, whats everyones thoughts on the 2 kills? Was that a Vig action or somehow the scum pulled out 2 kills? and yes this. We have seen no Vig kills at night. Why would scum try to protect me when there has been 0 Vig actions before this night. Unless you guys have a Vig in your team and somehow assumed that argument will make sense. Yeah you knew there is a Vig but the townies did not. You are contradicting yourself the more you post. pss: What were your actions the previous nights? You have made no reveals regarding your previous nights actions. Only going with your scripted story. Lets hear what you claimed to do on the first 2 nights,

And it seems they can also protect. Imran Ehsan was protected twice and watched once (in addition to you). So yeah, Im a watcher. There is no point, imo, hiding my role. Which means some townie defended him and a scum. Town dont pretect Imram, he is definately scum!!! oh wow...this is so desperate that it isnt even funny. 1. You are claiming to be a Watcher while there is already another guy who has claimed Watcher in this game. So you will be the 2nd Watcher in this game. The only role which is repeated amongst townies. 2. You are claiming I am scum because two, not one, but two people protected me? And that those who protected me are scum too? How does that even make sense. Why would the scum want to protect me? So for point 1, I would say it is highly unlikely that the town will have two guys with the same role. Two Watchers? One of them is a scum Watcher I am positive. So either you or ccabal is scum. I am betting its you. For point 2, I am not even sure what your point is. You are saying I am scum based on a "hunch" while those who protected me are also scum? Thats a reach. So in one shot you want to cast suspicion on me who has been trying to scum hunt from Day 1 and at the same time cast suspicion on the potential protective roles of the town. Vote: Perez Too many inconsistencies in your post. You have been lurking all through the last 3 days. And suddenly you appear conveniently on D4 to role claim and claim you have identified scum on a "hunch". You really think people will fall for this. I used my action on TW last night. He is a 2-shot Commuter.

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Interesting analysis ccabal. I am also having trouble believing iSocialisms claim but cant quite yet decide if I believe him 100% to be scum. Maybe in the range of 60-40 currently. However, I think we have identified one of the scum at least. Mr. Scum Rafay has been online today also. Still not a peep out of him. If you are caught at least go down fighting dude.

Rafay: Last Active Today (from his profile) My post was on the 20th. So either he has visited the forum and not read this thread. Or he has read it and is deciding on how to respond. edit: actually my post was on the 21st (time difference between my place and forum is confusing). But still he was on the forum after my post.

? Anyway, there's only 2 days left so we need to decide who to lynch. I am going with: Vote: Rafay Apart from lurking and making suspicious posts I also have some extra information on him. I was not going to reveal my action/power but with only 2 days left and as we are still undecided on who to lynch, I feel the information I have on him can possibly help the town decide on whether to lynch him or not. I used my action on Rafay on N1. From that, I know he is a 3-shot Role Stopper. I do not know his alignment (town or scum). After I found out his role, I was unsure whether he is infact a town power role or a scum with a power role. I decided to monitor him on D2 and D3 and see if I can ascertain his townliness or scumminess. He has however made no move to help the town or even indicate if he has a power which may help the town at night or scum hunt during the day. He has continued lurking and making one-line posts accusing someone or other and then disappearing. Compare that to others who have claimed their roles or have attempted to help the town to scum hunt. As others may have noticed I have always expressed reservations about anyone who claims to have a power role to be automatically be considered a townie. This is partly because of Rafay. As D2 progressed I noticed that almost every one in this game has a power role. I believe the scum also have power roles apart from their kill ability. Otherwise, the balance of power will be too much towards the town if there are say just 4/5 scum with no action at night while all townies are using theirs. So I started thinking what are the potential roles scum can have. Obviously they may have the usual Godfather role, but they probably will also have some roles which counters the various watchers/trackers/followers in the game like the Role Blocker or the Role Stopper. I wont be surprised if they have their own Watcher/Follower as well or the Neopolitan that iSocialism has claimed. These are all roles which are extremely helpful to the scum to counter the various power abilities of the town. Now coming back to Rafay and his Role Stopper abilit, I now believe that the Role Stopper is an extremely useful tool for the scum to have in a game which has a lot of townie watchers/trackers as well as protective roles such as the bodyguard that we have seen and also probably a doc. A role stopper can target a townie and nullify all these power roles while his scum buddy makes the kill. So a townie targetted by a role stopper can not be protected by a doc or be watched by a Watcher making it possible for his scum buddy to make a perfect kill without anyone being the wiser. So in summary, coupled with Rafay's suspicious activities and his suspicious role I believe he is the best lynch choice for today. I would have preferred to monitor him for another day or so but with deadline approaching fast we need to make a decision so I am gonna go with my gut feeling on this one. To make it clear I do not know his alignment so he may very well be a townie power role so everyone has to make up their own minds regarding the info I have presented.

I didnt know they rebooted it. I will need to look for it. Was a big big fan of the original show. The first few seasons were awesome. I would rank them very high even compared to some of the most recent hit tv series'. It got kinda boring after season 5 or so though. If you are interested you might want to at least give Season 1 of the orginal show a try. It was pretty good. I actually had all the seasons saved up in my old EHD, but lost em all when the drive went kaput. meh.

Yeah I kinda agree with Lyner's post above. I am OK with Yehom's roleclaim but have reservations about iSocialisms one. TWs claim (half claim?) will make more sense if we know for sure what his role is but he has provided an explanation that can fit a few possible roles. So I am not really leaning towards lynching one of these 3 today. For the others, its good that EM is at least posting but he is still in my scummy list. Also Finster just affirmed my assertion that he just seems to be running towards where the most the convenient lynch is with his vote on TW. I am however probably wrong with my theory that he and TW are working together. Also Rafay continues to post one line posts without much input and Perez continues his lurking activity. My recommendation/ short-list for todays lynch will be: Rafay, Perez, EM or FB. ps: Also interested in hearing ccabals thoughts. A fresh new perspective is always helpful.

Lyner has gone inactive too it seems. Interested to hear more from both EM and TW as well. Rafay also needs to stop lurking and share his thoughts.

Right up front... I haven't read the books... but I think Jon's apparent death is important to the story to illustrate the entire collapse of the order of The Night's Watch. As long as the watcher's are on the wall... it will never fall. They have assassinated their leader, it can't get any worse than this. The wall will fall, because they have entirely finished with the set created for the wall, and are planning to open the set up for tourism. So the wall is done. There is something in the show that I hear is not in the books. Melisandre, the red woman, is conveniently in Castle Black. In the book she's still with a very alive Stannis Baratheon. She took a mad interest in Jon Snow when she met him, and I believe she knows instinctively, that he has Targaryen blood. I think she will bring Snow back... but anytime something seems obvious in GoT... someone comes in and kills someone else, and blows your mind all over the place. Well the Wall will fall thats for sure. The White Walkers cant enter the Seven Kingdoms as long as the Wall is there. But I dont see how that relates to Jon's death. They had their strongest commander die right before (Mormont), and Nights Watch is already fighting between themselves, so that is already being shown. Jon's death brings very little to the story. In the book, Melisandre is at Castle Black too, not with Stannis. She actually even warns him of daggers in the darkness around him or something like that. So I am betting she will be the one to revive him. Also I dont think the revived-Jon will go on a crusade to retake the North from the Boltons. Once the Wall falls and the Others rush in no one will care if the Boltons are the Warden of the North or the Starks. He will probably go on a guerilla warfare against the Walkers while Sansa rallies the North from Winterfell.

Jon Snow can not die. Yes. But yeah I read articles on how Kit Harrington was seen around the set and how he still hasnt cut his hair while they were shooting the show. So they are trying to keep it hush hush. Also, it wont make sense from the story point of view to kill him off..I mean why go through all the story about him becoming the lord Commander just to be killed off right after he becomes one! Also if you read the books, a lot of the book was from his POV so the writer built his character to do something. Robb never had a POV for example so his death wasnt a surprise. Ned's death was a surprise but it was needed for the story. It set off the whole war. Jon's death at this point of the story makes no sense whatsoever.

One of my fav shows too but I havent seen the new season yet so I will probably stay away from this thread. But i read somewhere that Glen is gonna die this season..thats gonna suck, he was just starting to turn cool.

Although you have pegged me down as town, I cant help but think that role will actually make sense in the hand of a scum. The scum wants to find out who the townies are that have power roles so that they dont waste their kills on vanilla townies. So a scum with a neopolitan role will actually be useful (for the scum) as opposed to a townie with neopolitan role.

I will confirm iSocialism's claim that I am not vanilla, i.e. I have a power role. I am not willing to divulge what it is at the moment because I dont have much useful info to give and I believe reveal of my role now will only help the scum. But if others think I should reveal it, I will. By the way, I had already indicated earlier that I was role blocked, so iSocialism would have known I am not vanilla so no new info there from him. So his role isnt confirmed to me as yet. But its plausible. Also @shah you are overestimating his role. if most townies have power roles he will get positive results. I guess the only way it may benefit the town is if a scum who has no role had claimed to have a power role.

First time the show will overtake the book. So lots of answers that has been hanging around for years will hopefully be revealed. Should be interesting.

Reasons? That post was as much for me as for everyone else. I needed to get my thoughts in order and have a reference that I can go back to and analyze later instead of having to go through 40 pages again. So there. There can't be 2. We've already deduced that haven't we? Actually Shahensha has been playing really well too.... Where did we deduce there cant be two groups? Also, explain the shah post. @Yehom: Interesting claim. Not sure I believe it yet, but not using your role on N1 does make sense more now.