Imran Ehsan

Yes. Unvote Vote: Avater

Next lurker in the list. Roq has same/less post count but he is foreign diplo and probably doesnt visit these forums as much as Avater.

^ If Rhizo turns up scum and I get killed at night, remember the above TWs post guys. For Day 3 lynch.

loool Thats what happens when I go by Samoos' post count. <_< Vote: Avater

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The cop is dead. There wont be 100% certainty of anyone being scum anymore. My result is the next best thing. Someone visiting the player who turned up dead. So even ignoring the red residue, Rhizo needs to get lynched. If he turns up scum, the benefits are manifold. It will at one stroke confirm a lot of people as townies (those who were on the bandwagon early). If not, well, we still have some info for Day 3.

No one said you pm'ed me the info. This is what I have said You also said Red X killed Shah...which is obviously not flavor but actual info.

d3mon needs to post more. Vote: d3mon

I beg to differ. If you admitted first up that yes you had visited Shah, this would have given you crazy townie points. Because no scum in their right mind will admit to visiting the target they had just killed when they dont know for sure if anyone saw/tracked them to the kill. If you had admitted that you visited Shah, before I revealed that I had tracked you, I would have been giving you the benefit of doubt. But you did not. In fact your posts regarding this are also a bit contradictory. After I asked you whats your thoughts in this matter, you said: So according to you, he wasnt interesting at all to warrant scum targetting him. But he was interesting to you, so much so that you used your extremely valuable Cop action on him: So you did not think he did anything interesting to be the target of a kill before I revealed my action, but shortly afterwards he becomes someone extremely important that you used your night action on. By the way, this was Shah's second game. He is not extremely experienced as you seem to be claiming. I am pretty sure d3mon has played a lot more games than Shah. Well to me thats what a normal reaction to a real townie will be. Your response was contradictory and after-the-fact. No. Town JOATs are pretty common. That was not my point. My point was its a very very convenient fake claim for the scum. It would be more believable if you could give us new information that is not known by everyone. You cant so there is no way of confirming your role. Your choice of action is also very very convenient. You happened to investigate the only player in the game who is 100% townie. You happened to target the Cop for a cop action who was killed by Red X, while your name is also similar Red Star. You gave me red residue when I tracked you, while you seem to be claiming the red residue I found is not from Red X. Do you have any info to link where it says Red Star leaves red residue. I mean talk about coincidences. I mean at the end of the day, I have given concrete information that you visited Shah. You did not dispute this claim so I am providing correct new information. On the other hand, you cant provide new information, all your claims are after-the-fact and most of what you claim is only possible where you are very very unlucky in terms of 1. Similar name to Scum killer 2. Targetting the same person as Scum 3. Leaving red residue which actually seems to point to Red X 4. Having an ability that is a very convenient fake claim 5. Using an ability and getting no new information with that ability. Way to many coincidences or you are the unluckiest guy in the world.

I didn't say we're supposed to tell who we are, did I? All I asked was that we organize our targets for checking. How is suddenly checking (in your case) Robert a much worse option than for instance Roq? Would you like for instance to know who was the target of a weak townie that died at night? You won't know if you don't organize it. All I'm hearing is that organizing is not ideal. Let's assume everyone knows it, alright? Now please tell me why choosing targets at random is better. Edit: Just bolding important part, because that something you're all picking while it was not part of the plan. There's more problems with your strategy. 1. TW is using similar role modifiers from kevins last game. Which means there may be odd/even night power abilities and/or X-shot power abilities. Not everyone can probably use their ability on N1 and if some people have x-shot ability it will be very unwise of them to use it up for almost no reason. 2. Some townie power abilities are protective and some are investigative. The protective ones should be used on who they think are most townie (i.e. who are actively scum hunting and trying to make sure the town wins), while the investigative abilities should be used on those who look suspicious or are scummy. So just putting up a strategy where A uses his power on on B and B uses his power on C is not a good idea. But that does not mean they should use their powers randomly. They need to look at the posts and actions of players of D1 and decide who to protect/investigate. This has a better chance of us getting some concrete info that can be used in the later days, 3. And of course, as has already been pointed out, this strategy is bound to fail because scum will know exactly who is using their ability on whom and can plan their night actions accordingly. So imo, night actions should be left at the discretion of the individual townie power roles. They decide who they want to protect/investigate. The scum will not know who is getting investigated and who will be protected and they also have to throw a kill by basically closing their eyes and praying hard that they are not watched/tracked or investigated or their target protected. Now, to come back to strategy that should be used on D1, I agree that actives should not be lynched. Inactives should also not be lynched, because they may be replaced if they are too inactive. So who gets the chop..the lurkers. These are the people who are not inactive but also are not posting much. It becomes extremely hard to get a read on who may be scum on later days when players dont post and there is nothing to be analysed. So lets put [ressure on the lurkers in terms of votes until they start posting more and when they do, move on to the next one. I will take another look at this game and try to find a list of lurkers so far in this game.

Ok. Firstly let's look at Rhizos claims. (Wall of text warning). Lot of flak there, but the jist is he did not reveal he performed an action on Shah and acted like he has no knowledge of what happened to Shah at night because he thought it "Could easily be a way to find out who may have knowledge to make sure to either target them in a lynch or kill them at night if they didn't want to roleclaim". Except, I did not want to know what action was performed. I just asked whether anyone had performed any action on Shah: There was no reason to think I was trying to find out who has what power roles. It was a simple question that needed to be answered to find the scum. A normal townie with a PR would have said..."yes I used my action on Shah, but I have no info to share and I am not revealing what my power is". An innocent townie would not try to act like he has no idea what I am talking about. HA! The JOAT claim is the most convenient of scum role claims. I know it because we discussed about using it last game. (actually this also makes me very very suspicious of TW, he is trying to use the same scum strategies that we used last game. But we will leave TW for D3 because we dont have time today. But I can present my thoughts on why TW is the 2nd scum in more detail tomorrow.) So why is the JOAT claim scummy. Because he can now only claim 1-shot abilities for everything and not have the real cop/tracker/watcher etc. come forward to discredit his claim. He can claim.."oh I used cop ability on N1". on D3, people will ask.."hey Rhiz, who did you use the cop ability last night?" "oh..I had only 1-shot ability..i used tracker last night and found nothing"...Its so easy to glide by without providing any new information with this claim..its not even funny. Did he provide any new information today? No. We all know shah was town. Sorry. Thats a blatant fake claim to save your skin. Lots of spinning here, so lets lay out the facts. 1. I (Beast Boy) track Rhizoctonia 2. I find Rhizoctonia visited Shah 3. Shah ends up dead 4. Mod mentions Beast Boy found red residue. 5. This implies I found red residue from tracking Rhizo, who visited Shah who ended up dead. 6. Mod mention Shah was killed by Red X. 7. Red X leaves Red residue, found by me => Rhizo killed Shah Spinning like a top wont change the above facts. Note to self: People sitting on fences - TW, Rafay, SM, ISocialism, The Doom @SM - I have my scum radar that I use to find out whose posts are scummy. I am not gonna reveal it here and now. Maybe after the game. ps: also adding kevin to the above list

Lol...I don't buy any of it. I am on my phone now but if you want I can do a line by line analysis of your lies. Later on I meant

Not really. I think its his 3rd game..... I'm not sure you're the tracker Mr. Imran. And neither are you. I am pretty sure that I know that I am the tracker. You may not be sure but you will be when we lynch Rhizo today.

The problem with your strategy is that there has to be mass role claims on D2 to identify that scum, which I am pretty sure is not allowed.

There were no other kills in the night so without any other info to the contrary we can safely say he is scum. Of course once we kill him we will know for sure. If he is the SK then the scum's kill was probably blocked or their target saved by a doc.

You guys are still holding my last game against me...because I outfoxed you all..lol. No I am not scum..in fact I have hardly ever been scum. Most of the games I played in has been as an innocent townie and you can go back and check that I never vote no lynch. Its boring and stoopid. We need to get lynching fast so we have bandwagons to analyze in later days. No lynching strategy is over reliant on the cop with all other townies sitting around sucking their thumb and hope that someone finds something useful at night. I like a more pro-active approach. Where is the Mango when you need him. He would have backed me up.

Wait, what? You saw Rhizo kill Shah? What's a red tracker, the freaking wiki is useless. In what way does a post scream of scum? Why is THREE days a short time? Are you a tracker or a role cop? I meant Red X. Not Red Tracker. And yes I am a tracker. I did not see him make the kill but I saw Rhizo visit Shah. The mod actually confirmed that I tracked Red X (Rhizo) by his comment that the Beast Boy found residues of red or something to that effect. 3 days is extremely short when you have 12 people. Its fine if theres like 5 people but for 12 players its ridiculous to expect to have any discussion AND to get a full lynch which itself will take 2-3 days.

OK...i did not want to do this but there's no time for a good discussion and to find the scum. But what we can do is lynch the confirmed scum. Hello Mr. Scum Rhizoctonia. You have been caught. Vote: Rhizoctonia I am Beast Boy. I tracked Rhizoctonia last night and saw him visit Shah. His D1 posts just screamed of scum so it was an easy decision for me to track him over others. Luckily the scum team used him to do the kill and I was there to see it. The mod has also confirmed that I found traces of red residue. This indicates that Rhizo is the Red Tracker, one of the scum team. At start of this day he made no indication that he performed any action on Shah. I even asked specifically if any of the townie power roles had used their action on Shah. Rhizo replied after me and not a peep from him. Thanks for confirming. You are scum and not a townie PR using your ability on Shah. If I am killed tonight, my second on the highly suspicious list is TW. His posts also smell of scum. Lets go guys. Lets lynch Mr. scummy wummy rhizzy. Its too bad time is so short or I would have preferred to find out who his scum buddies are. But we need to lynch the confimed scum first.

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huh..I just realized that Day Phase is just 3 days. OMG? Are you kidding me? How can you even get a lynch in 3 days, let alone identify scum. In any case, I would like to hear from more people, but since 1 day has already passed we cant hold back with info for too long.

Welcome back. You were still a cadet when you went inactive so masked you as one.

Explain this pls. Shah is dead. How can he say anything? That wont give us any info. Whatever info shah had on him has gone to the grave with him. He can be wither town or scum. Shah has no way of confirming for us. Why are you interested in something that wont give us any concrete info? Whats your current thoughts in this matter? Why do you think shah was targeted? This is a god observation. But scum will probably also have "safe names".

Master Sumas needs more casualties. Lets give him (roll him) some. Unvote Vote: Samus

Interesting turn of events. Did anyone use their abilities on Shah last night? Maybe a Watcher? Obviously one of the scum targetted shah but I am curious to know if any of the townies with power roles used theirs on Shah. At this point I only want to know if anyone used their ability or not..note that I dont want to know what action was done.

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