The Warrior

Spartan reporting for duty.

@Torres - Why? I don't understand.

Reading back how things played out over the last several days I'd like for Tony Maurice to explain what he was doing too. A couple things stand out to me as potential issues: He made the comment about LWW, Me, and ABT being scum with absolutely zero evidence. He willingly followed ABT's flawed logic into voting for me because I "appeared to be the new best choice". Even worse yet, part of ABT's case that Tony followed willingly was based off of that comment that Tony made himself with no evidence. Tony has jumped between voting for Lyner and LWW today with little justification.@Tony - Can you explain any of this please? This is scummy at worst and reckless at best.

I have no real reason to believe either LWW or ABT is scum at this point. Honestly I think the case against both of you is flimsy and there are probably better candidates than both of you. ABT seems to be voting for LWW because he thinks LWW lied. Those just look like generalized statements to me rather than being indicative of a scum flip-flop or something. LWW seems to be voting for ABT because of ABT's gambit and claim that a watcher visited me. I will admit that I still don't really get this part of ABT's push to have me lynched either. It did seem like he was saying that a watcher visited MK as well the night he died which we now know didn't happen. I'm still giving ABT the benefit of the doubt for now because in my experience it is almost always a town player that will make claims like this on a given day and push it as hard as ABT did. However, I think ABT was reckless in the assumptions he made and tried to present as evidence against me. The fact that several other people went along with them without realizing the lack of connection between them is alarming as well. In any case, when big consistent arguments like this happen between 2-3 players early in a game they are almost always between townies. Scum usually enjoys sitting back and observing while the town consumes itself. I think we are better served right now looking at players who have skated by silently watching this all unfold. Unfortunately, with deadline coming up shortly we are running out of time and a lynch of someone else would feel rushed.

Can someone who feels strongly that lww is scum please provide a tl;dr version again of why you believe so?

I don't know whether lww will flip scum or not but unless his name claim is a fake claim, I have reason to believe it could be town so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now until we can verify his role.

I'm pretty sure Ali is either a form of Motion Detector or Voyeur. Calm yourself, Iago.

If Nadarr "faces judgement" which we presume is a mod-kill, would that supersede any other half majority lynch or would both occur?

Says the bastard mod.

I see no good argument for anyone currently. I know that I’m near the bottom of the post count but I was also dead for a day or two in there. Ghaws and Wolfpack’s have posted a few times recently and I’m not really feeling voting for rafay at this time. I can be persuaded otherwise but for now I’ll vote for another person near the bottom. Vote: Nadarr

@Brewers - Fuck you.

Are you kidding? I think we’ve wasted enough time already voting for this townie.

Here's my role: You can see why I advised any town protective roles earlier on to target someone else. I did not ever use my flavor cop ability.

I understand that you wrote what you received. I'm not questioning that. What I'm saying is that, if you saw two people "attack" MK, one of them was definitely Torres who shot him. The other was definitely me who visited him. What I'm saying is that you are assuming the phrasing Brewers gave you "you saw two attacks" does not actually mean attacks. I visited him with a different type of role. Brewers just chose to describe it to you as an "attack" instead of a "visit" or something else. Velocity is confirmed Town, why would we do that? My mistake. we could just have LWW, ABT, TW and Torres as mafia confusing the whole town You are doing the town a disservice by posting things like this. Unless Torres is actually a serial killer we already know that he's a town Vigilante and he shot MK last night. ABT and I had that back and forth over the last couple days but I am most certainly not scum and I actually don't believe ABT is either. I think he is town that was just operating with partial information and on an assumption. I have no idea what alignment LWW is so I can't really comment on that.

I’ve been so focused on another world that I’ve neglected this one. I’m not really sure what to do here. If we have nothing to work with then voting for someone inactive is preferable.

I still think you’re reading more into your result than you should be, Ali. To me it seems like the whole “MK was attacked twice” thing is just referring to Torres shooting him and me visiting him. That just sounds like the way Brewers chose to return your result. We know Torres killed him. I know I didn’t try to kill him. Your result clearly indicated two people visited him (Torres and I). You would not have been told if someone like a ninja also visited him so the “attacks” Brewers is referring to have to be Torres shooting and me visiting.

Thank you for the clarification.

Thank you! You just saved the town. Looks like Torres just confirmed not one but two casualties: Him shooting MK and him shooting ABT’s entire argument. So ABT saw two “attacks” against MK. 1) Torres shot him. 2) I simply visited him to check on him. This also means that LWW did not visit MK like Ali claimed since Ali would have seen a third action. Can we get back to hunting actual scum now please?

What I said was that MK was not a “town cop”. Yes, he ended up being a mafia flavor cop. Performed "by" or "on" that player. This only incriminates TW further if true. TW killed MK. MK killed Canik. AbT check out MK and got double kill result. @lww you forgot that whatever TW's ability is, AbT should've picked on that. Except that’s not the information Ali claimed to have received. He specifically said that he was told that MK was attacked TWICE. He did not say that he saw two actions regarding MK. He specifically stated that MK was attacked twice. So your assumption that his comment is referring to one person attacking MK and MK attacking someone else is incorrect.

I had nothing in common with them as we voted on other people. So the only way for us to be connected was that we all visited a guy that died at night. Out of those three names, I confirm I visited MK, TW confirmed too, LWW I don't trust to tell the truth. MK died, I saw two attacks, Tony gave two more names. It all connects. To finish this case it would be good to have Tony giving his confirmation. Right so, you’re essentially a motion detector and have ZERO idea who actually visited MK. Your basis for GUESSING who visited MK was a post that Tony made previously that had no actual bearing on last night’s actions. You’ve never played a mafia game with Tony before so I’m not surprised that you took his random post as some actual information. Tony will make random posts all day with no actual information. Anyone else in this game who has played with him knows that to be the case. So your “information” is false from the beginning. You may have been told that two people visited MK but you didn’t actually know a damn thing about who. You think you just got lucky guessing one of them was me. I can’t say who the other was because I have know idea if or who did. My role doesn’t tell me that. You are also completely discounting the fact that your role is limited and would not see someone such as a ninja making a kill. If there are two scum factions I’d bet one exists. Further, I am not an idiot. If I was a SK I wouldn’t be killing on night 2 in a game that is presumably a role madness game. The risk for exposure would be too great at this point of the game. Finally, MK was not a town cop and I never for one minute read into him being a cop based off of your “old man with a beard” description. He was mafia. I wish I could take credit for his death because that is a win for the town but alas I cannot. I can’t kill anyone with my role. I can only do what I told you earlier. I also role claimed earlier in one of my posts but I didn’t call attention to it. Go back and look closer from yesterday. Pointing this out again for ABT since he doesn’t know any better. This is how tony plays. He’s straight up telling you that he guessed a couple names and that the only way he can confirm anything is acting correctly tonight. If he was as convinced that I was a SK as ABT is he would say that he *knows* but doesn’t want to reveal how. But again, no. He tells you straight up that he doesn’t know anything and would need to actually use whatever action he has tonight to make any sort of confirmation. This doesn’t mean anything. It means that I visited MK because *I* confirmed it, not because anyone else did. Again, ABT didn’t know anything about who visited MK and Tony only guessed a couple names yesterday based off of the people who were actively participating. Again, if I was a SK I wouldn’t be killing on night 2 in a role madness game. Far too risky with little chance for success. Additionally if I was a SK I never would have admitted to visiting MK the way I did. I don’t understand why this keeps being said. I don’t know anything about anyone else who may or may not have visited MK. All I knew was what my role told me about MK and what ABT is guessing to have known. Again, chalk this up to your ignorance. You haven’t played with Tony before. Welcome to his game. He straight up confirmed that he knew NOTHING about me or lww or you for that matter and you are writing it off as “he’s not being truthful about his role to protect his information”. He named you as well so if you’re not scum I would think that would bother you too. On the other hand, I am being truthful about what I know of last night’s events but I am the one you are convinced is lying. You are doing the town a disservice, Ali. You are pushing for my lynch based off a conjecture and coincidence. NOT FACT. And you’re wrong. I role claimed already telling you what I am and cooperating by offering that I did visit MK last night but you’d rather believe a coincidence than take a townie at his word or at least allowing someone to actually confirm something. Additionally, you even go on to say that you believe LWW is mafia and has already been caught lying previously. So let’s get this straight one more time — You believe you know who a mafia is (LWW) and believe that he has been caught lying already previously, is currently lying again about what he did last night, and are still voting for me (who has cooperated and told the truth and already role claimed)? Do you not see how stupid this is? You’d rather vote for me based off your own baseless accusation than someone you actually believe is mafia and is lying. @everyone - If I am lynched, I will be revealed as town. Ali will proven to be incorrect about his entire assumption and a day will have been wasted lynching me. I want to point out that it is possible that someone else also visited MK last night unseen (like a ninja) and is probably the person who actually killed him so keep in mind moving forward that you may have to account for that. Also for the record, I believe Dontavian’s name claim may be town. I share a similar one.

I’ve already addressed this. I admitted that I visited MK last night but I did not kill him. However, ABT is claiming to know something that I’m not sure how he could know. LWW is saying that he did not visit MK so either LWW is lying or ABT is lying. If LWW is lying then he is probably the one who killed MK unless there was a ninja who also targeted him. @ABT - Since you also visited MK, what were you doing exactly?

I was just about to point that out. A couple things aren’t adding up right now: -Robert was already revealed as a town watcher so it’s highly unlikely that ABT can be as well. -Assuming ABT isn’t one (like he claims he isn’t), how would he know who allegedly visited MK?

Firstly, how do you know there is a watcher if it isn’t you? Back up to what was “already provided a few days ago”. I have no idea what you mean or what it has to do with last night. Anti-lannister names in “feast for crows” specifically were thought to be scum. Glossed over that part to try to make a point though, huh? Every faction/family isn’t directly opposed to them in feast for crows. Not sure what you wanted “town to find out for ourselves” either. Tell us what you’re hinting at knowing.

The theory about anti-Lannister players from A Feast for Crows has now been proven false with Kevin’s death. He was a Martell who were opposition to the Lannister’s at that time and he was town. It doesn’t do us any good to continue discussing that line of thinking anymore. Given ABT’s thinly veiled comments about me and what I did last night, I’m going to assume he is either a tracker and tracked me or a watcher and watched MK. However, given that MK was visited by more than one person last night due to the way yesterday played out and that ABT isn’t questioning anyone else, I’m going to assume it’s more likely that I was tracked. I have a role that allowed me to visit MK last night. I did not kill him however. I know what you think you know, but you’re wrong. I’m looking for that person. Think about what that means and you’ll know what my role is.

So this is drunk Brewers and not mod brewers talking? Got it.