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Reading back Ali's scenario I feel that if a Vig kill by Samus doesn't prevent Rhizo from killing, then it's kind of wasted (not to mention the potential dangers of Samus being a Werewolf PGO). Yes town gains a potential extra lynch, but Rhizo has already done his damage if his kill goes through. Given the fact that all kills last night were prevented, I'm fairly confident that town still has at least one PR left that can prevent kills from happening. Now that Rhizo is 100% confirmed scum, it makes it easier to prevent at least one kill

Can I assume from this that you are a 1-shot Vig and only used your power on N2 when you killed MK?

So basically tldr is you don't trust Samus enough to work this strategy out? Or at least you feel that the odds and consequences of him lying outweigh the potential good it does for town

The question that stands is then whether a kill on either Ali or Samus goes before or after their night actions. If we want to make that strategy work, we need to see what actions go first @@KevinH

What's a PGO?

Honestly though I don't really see the point of really continuing the day just for continuing the day. Rafay is already well and truly buried and nobody is stupid enough to defend him since his only alignment is with himself, because he most likely is the SK. Rafay is the only logical lynch, nobody else is probably going to stick their necks out now to put pressure on other people, because their defense is easy: focus on the dead man Rafay. I honestly believe that if we aren't going to spend the time we have useful anyway, might as well speed up the game, end the day earlier, let the PR's do their things and start a new day with more information. It's pointless to continue the day if nobody is going to participate and not participating is easily detectable. This is not me rushing things, it's keeping it alive for the most part, because I can't see town doing this dance for another week and a half.

That sounds weak as shit, I'm sorry, but you have to have something better than that right?

Ali subbed in for Lego, so that confirms his role, and yours if that wasn't already

I at least have ways to back my actions when push comes to shove. You on the other hand are just throwing out statements like omg he has to be the SK, because he wants me dead. The moment someone asks you to verify your claim, you get all antsy to 100% clear all doubt. You honestly believe that, if I were to be the SK, I would be stupid enough to expose myself this early? You keep saying that SK can't kill you, yet you're so reluctant to reveal what you are exactly. Why shouldn't town believe you are the SK instead?

That's the thing though. I didn't find out anything, you just shouted it into the open world yourself, but for some reason you can only say A, but can't say B. What are you hiding?

Vote Brewers I still feel that there is absolutely no reason why he hasn't fully role claimed yet. Your power is already known to the SK, he's not going to target you. Making that known to everyone and everybody without any reason or pressure on you was stupid, or maybe just a play. Yes you could just give a name that is on whatever list, however you run the risk that someone else has that name, so I do fully believe that without a role claim, I can't trust Brewers 100%. If he turns out to be whatever he claims to be, I can prove next day that I'm not the SK, like he wants to suggest.

I've yet to see why you're so reluctant then to fully role claim. You've already stated your powers, so why not make it official? There is zero downside to you now fully role claiming unless you have something more to hide. The SK wasn't going to target you anytime soon and mafia/werewolves are probably gunning for more powerful people

Since we have nothing to go from expect the ones that voted for Imran: SeaBeeGipson The Warrior, Brewersalliance, Lord MK, Canik, Robert2424, Legoboyvdlp, Sister Midnight, Let me start saying that i didn't like SBG's post that prompted the wagon to begin with. The accusations made from that post were based hot air and people fell for it blindly. Just a nod, no arguments as to why SBG was right, just that he sounded right. Though I can't immediately project all SBG's posts on TW, I am however wary as to what he has to say. Brewers to me is so 50/50. A SK has been confirmed last night, he could have a role like he said he has, but the way he out of the blue just announced that, including his 'immunity' to the SK, makes me wonder why he would play it like that. There is no good way to explain that, so quite frankly I believe Brewers should just RC right now. The cat was already out of the bag to begin with, better to commit, let us see what he has to say, whether it is believable etc. The SK already knows anyway not to kill Brewers, should his claim be the truth. MK was revealed to be scum Canik is on the chopping board as we speak, as of now I see no real reason for the gladiator to choose him, but he did anyway so that can't be helped. I personally think Canik is more likely town Robert has RC'ed to be the gladiator. Because nobody has counterclaimed that, I'm going to assume that statement is true which means Robert is 100% confirmed town Lego has been off lately. His role claim was weird, but some what defendable, however his voting pattern has been really off last day. He jumped wagons a couple of times, which makes you wonder whether his role claim is true or not. Reloader is also a very easy power role to buff. SM I have no read on. Voting was off obviously, jumping in last second, confused about deadlines etc. Could be an honest mistake, but could be played stupidity too. Can't quite make out what it is exactly, but I feel that Lego was a bit more off.

I’m sorry but reloading the gladiator would be stupid. This coupled with his voting pattern in D2 makes me doubt Lego with every passing minute

What happened tonight to make you feel there isn't a SK. 2 scum factions + SK = 3 kills. We've had 3 kills every night, why would that change? I'm confused how you came to the conclusion explain please You might want to look up the definition of retract

Seeing as there were 3 kills again this night I'm going to retract my statement saying that there isn't a SK in this game, which also makes Brewers claim a little more believable. At this moment I not really feeling anything in particular about Canik, which makes me question why the Gladiator appointed him for a duel with Brewers

Bump?

I've said this 4 pages ago, so good to know you're up to date with the game Rhizo, as for lego's RC, I made a comment about that which is even further back, you can read that yourself if you really care. Little recap: I find it highly unlikely that a SK is in the game seeing the game setup, brewers makes his RC out of nowhere. Who is going to benefit from that? SK isn't going to kill him anymore, nobody can verify his claim as his presumed power is probably defensive and only relevant for himself. Mafia faction is going to let him live because he could be a werewolf so they opt to kill an actual townie or in case brewers is indeed a townie they opt to kill someone that is an actual threat to them, idem if he was scum instead of a werewolf. It's an easy role to 'fake', unless he gets lynched, so basically he has maneuvered himself in a position where he either lives till the end or town has to lynch him down the road, because nobody is going to touch in during the night

I'm sorry, but do you know more than the rest of us, because as far as i know brewers never claimed that he had powers against werewolves. He said he had powers against a possible SK, which again I find doubtful. Is that a misread or a scum/werewolf plan gone bad?

Though I feel like there is some sense in what SGB said about Imran, I'm not particular liking the fact how the wagon was so easily joined by some people. Like multiple people have already mentioned, the 'yes i agree, I'm voting x'-attitude is what is going to get townies killed

I've been thinking about the set up of this game. It's very likely that there are more than 2 factions seeing how N1 panned out. Usually it's 1/4 is mafia, rest is town. That would in this case set up as about 15 or 16 people pro-town and 5 or 6 mafia/werewolves. Given that both anti-town factions need to probably be equal in strength and numbers, to me it's more logical to have 3 mafia, 3 werewolves and 15 town than 2 mafia, 2 werewolves, 1 SK and 15 town. The latter seems unlikely for me seeing as town would be too big and probably too powerful if everybody has a power. The other possibility would be 3 mafia/werewolves, 1 SK and only 14 true townies, which means the town versus anti-town is 1/3 (7 of 21), which would be too much against town. From a game balance perspective only 15 vs 3 vs 3 really makes sense, so I still stand by the fact that a SK is unlikely, which doesn't bode well for brewers and his RC

Because I can actually reason why you would do it. Like you said before you are basically a VT unless someone with a good power dies. If that's false, it's easy to call out as there are people with ways to see if you're lying or not. If it's true, it makes for a cover as mafia/werewolves aren't inclined to kill you, because it would only confirm your role as you claimed. Mafia/werewolves are more likely to keep you alive, because there they want to keep all the people alive that could be seen as mafia/werewolves by the rest of the town. Your RC was uncalled for, yes, but I wouldn't call it stupid just yet. We'll have to see how it plays out to see if it was stupid or brilliant

Vote Brewers That RC was 1) uncalled for and 2) stupid. I'm not buying it and even if he doesn't end up claiming the role he was, we at least know for certain that a SK exists

This Also I'm not so sure if a SK would be in play as there already seem to be more than one anti town faction with TW being revealed as a Retired Werewolf Hunter. 4 different factions seem a little bit much, even in a game with about 20 players. As these bigger games seem to usually be very PR heavy, my guess is that, also seeing the more unusual roles that the 3 people that were killed had, mafia/werewolves targeted someone who can kill anyone that visits them during night. I remember that such a role existed when I browsed the mafia wiki site months ago, but can't remember what it's called. That to me makes more sense than throwing in another faction, but we'll have to wait and see if that theory is correct. As of right now I think it's safe to say that nobody is VT

Unvote Vote No Lynch For the time being it seems everybody seems fairly active enough, however that may change as the days progress. So far I don't think anything really stands out, apart from the stuff around Jazzy, but to me it's too early to make hard conclusions already