Lyner

I also second this, reason being this.

yay

Also, I have new pet theory: MK is infected mafia Brewers & iSoc are his mafia friends Rafay is patient zero

Reminder that this is a no reveal game with both mafia and infected You guys are crazy if you think town can win this without cop

lmao now is a great time for town to join the infected side tbh

Well gotta ask the god If true, then well played for hiding this fact, MK @Kevin will the infected lose their original ability?

town right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmB76y7jFs Mafia killed rafay, so they most likely think he is cult leader goodluck finding the mafias with the rest of unreliable investigators Pretty sure infected retains ability

checking in

are the rest lurkers or just plain inactive?

Here's the investigators' result assuming everyone is honest: MK (Bloodhound): N1: Brewes (Town) N2: iSoc (Town) N3: Lyner (Not Town), I have evangelistic modifier Torres (Private Investigator): N1: Dontavian (Not Infected) N2: CM (Infected) N3: Lyner (Infected), I have evangelistic modifier Lyner (Cop): N1: TW (Not Mafia) N2: CM (Not Mafia) N3: Canik (Not Mafia) Current living players that haven't got investigated: Nadarr, Velocity, and Rafay It is VERY LIKELY that at least one scum is here. If for whatever reason MK talk us out, one of this three are top candidates to lynch *mafia, not scum

Well that is news to me. This is a no reveal game with cults. Getting a town result / not mafia result are pretty much the same, they are both unreliable. Also there is still a possibility that MK is infected mafia. Too bad it's very hard to verify that now.

Sure, it misleads town. I concede that. But practically, tell me one thing that would be different from the past few days' result based on my fake results. On day 2 the only confirmed non-mafia are me and TW. It's still a good idea to protect us over random townies. The same thing happens on day 3. Say I honestly stated that CM is "not Mafia". Then what? Torres would still come out saying he's infected. We can't guarantee that someone is town, because a cult leader exists. Every town results should be seen with caution, even if it comes from bloodhound as cult can convert confirmed townies. To add to the confusion, infected town/mafia can be killed & revived and still retain their original allegiance. Meanwhile, I can guarantee that someone is definitely not mafia, dead or alive. Sure it might impact the choice targeting of some power roles, but I bet it won't be much different if I said "not Mafia" instead. So, that's the trade-off I considered

Wow never knew this is a thing

yeah but you implied bloodhound, which is even more powerful than cop and could out the mafia the exact same way as a regular cop, so by that logic they would be just as motivated to kill u. Disagree, bloodhound is totally useless when used alone as we can't determine which guy is mafia. From MK & CM's testimony we can conclude that cult can recruit everyday. This means as each day passes bloodhound's accuracy for getting a mafia also decreases. The end result is we can't distinguish between mafia and infected. And mafia is far more dangerous. We will still lose even if we are all getting infected, as we can't determine which guy is mafia without cop. They can slowly kill us. inb4 MK saying that I'm suggesting town to just get infected See ya! Also now that I think about it how can town win if cult can recruit every single day. Did MK lie about him being infected at N3?

Alright I'm gonna disengage now, MK keeps repeating stuffs to confuse town. This is the summary for you lazy townies: I'm an evangelistic cop (I will return "Infected" when investigated, despite my town status). I was forced to RC on day 2. At that point I only know that TW is not mafia, and because it won't help town in any fashion if I claimed cop that early, I decided to keep it ambiguous by claiming 'Investigative Role' instead of 'Cop'. Brewers assumed that I'm bloodhound and some of you took that as fact. At this point, if I said TW is "not Mafia" everyone will know that I'm a cop, scums included. Which means I'd be dead on N2. Day 3 arrived, I got the result that CM is "not Mafia". So being the undercover cop I am, I continue stating that CM is Town. Torres claimed that CM is infected. I trusted Torres since it doesn't contradict my result, hence I started the wagon on CM. MK was trying to kill Nadarr instead of CM at this point, I wonder why. Day 4 arrived, I got the result that Canik is "not Mafia". MK started the day by saying that I'm "not town" and torres saying that I'm "infected". This is consistent with my "Evangelistic" modifier. Note that I confessed that I have evangelistic modifier before Torres says that I'm infected. After Torres's claim now I'm forced to RC my true role: Cop. MK claimed that he was infected, would a townie that's infected confesses like that? So far nobody challenged my cop status. You need both investigator and bloodhound to confirm if someone is scum (one to confirm "not Town", and one to confirm "not infected"). If one of them dies then we have no way of knowing who is scum without a cop, think about that. A town cop is pretty much a given. tl;dr I'm an undercover cop trying my best to hide from scums, and MK's behaviour is sketchy as hell

I'm pretty sure we are all still waiting on this, or did I miss it? MK has made a really great case against you Lyner. Your story is shaky at best. Help yourself here and answer Brewers question please. Until then I am inclined to vote with MK. Vote: Lyner I already did. CM, TW, and Canik are "not Mafia" We don't need a cop role in this game. The cop in this game is not the cop in usual games. It's not as powerful as those. You are trying to sell the idea that the cop is the most important role, when it is clearly not. Also, nice try throwing mud on rafay. Hoping that we will let you go one more day, eh? Says the infected bloodhound.

Think about it, this is a no reveal game. With scum side alone town is already in a difficult position, add cult into the mix and odds are super stacked against town. There is no way town side aren't given a cop. Bloodhound & private investigator are too fragile for catching scum. Also there goes Rafay. Want to lynch him first?

You said that you got infected on N3 That means I'm not infected on N3, which means I'm the cult leader. Which means I should've known all my followers, CM included. Another contradiction. Who slipped his tongue now? Or are we going back to the Lyner is scum conspiration?

I checked back when you first RC'ed and true, you did only claim an Investigation PR. Brewers shortly after said he assumed it was bloodhound but you didn't confirm or deny. You make some decent points.. but you must at the very least be cult now, either that or Torres and MK are lying. Well, he said that TW is town. Now the only possible role that can do that is a bloodhound. And no, cop isn't better then bloodhound. The 3 have to work in hand to figure anything out for sure. So lyner's arguement that he was saving himself is just not there. Mafia won't care if the cop is one kind or the other, they will kill the cop. And by the way lyner came out that day, mafia would very much wager the no one is protecting lyner. So lyner is clearly bluffing. He is definitely not town. Look, for things to work in his favour. Both me and torres have to be lying. And what kind of mafia would it be to purposely put potentially half of the faction in risk just to get one measly cop. If it was just me or just Torres, then sure. But not both of us. Vote MK You keep misinforming town. I have evangelistic modifier, which makes me appear infected by default. This has been stated twice by now. No way you missed that, this is a deliberate attempt to confuse town. There are only 2 scenarios if you suspect me: 1. Lyner is scum, which means Torres is lying about me being cult. I'm pretty sure the default rule is that mafia can't be converted to cult. 2. Lyner is cult, which means I have spent most of my day yesterday lynching my fellow cult (CM). Now if I'm evangelistic townie cop, everything has been consistent so far.

I never claimed bloodhound, for record What is MK really accusing me of being? Mafia? If you believed Torres, then I'm a cult right now. If I were cult, why would I push for a CM cult wagon yesterday? There is the Nadarr wagon I can join, and I can also make another chaos by claiming that some random townie is not Town Because I'm town I never claimed bloodhound, for record What is MK really accusing me of being? Mafia? If you believed Torres, then I'm a cult right now. If I were cult, why would I push for a CM cult wagon yesterday? There is the Nadarr wagon I can join, and I can also make another chaos by claiming that some random townie is not Town Because I'm town

Even if I cleared stuff up there won't be any difference to yesterday's result, except I'd be dead last night. Correct. I deliberately said it that way so scums wouldn't know that I'm cop. In light of this RC please update the information I have given so far: When I said someone is "town" it actually means "not mafia"

@Brewers Because I deliberately keep it ambiguous. That's the whole point of me not hard claiming on day 2. There's no benefit to town if I just claimed I was cop back then. Think if you were in my position, your town friends forced you to RC on day 2. You're cop, the strongest role that could identify which is mafia. You haven't got a mafia result. Also scum = mafia, I don't consider cult/infected scum. Seriously, if I were mafia/infected, at day 2 I'd say some inactive townie is scum. Literally no downside there.

This unvote for now Cop's results return Mafia or not Mafia CM, TW, and Canik are "not Mafia"

not town would also mean being infected, which means all previous nights of MK's action could be void. It's good for confirming not scum, so targeting the above should be better than random lynching

I actually wanted to keep this until I find a scum but oh well. In case it's still not obvious, I'm your cop. All my targets were actually guaranteed not scum. Which is why I didn't hard claim until now. As for why you should trust me: - If I were scum I'd have framed a few townies as scums in the last 3 nights - I was the first to trust Torres' result yesterday and voted CM, fully knowing that in your perspective that's a contradiction; one of us had to lie Yes, that sounds like torres tbh Not sure what's MK's agenda here, but I guess he wants the infected to win now since he just became one.