TBRaiders

Teleportation, but of these three flight so I can just zip back and forth to work.

Chicken. I love chicken and could eat it every day. Second option would be tuna.

It would be nice to finish it. If it gets started back up again, somebody PM and tell me.

I blew it not protecting Hippo N1 and I knew it right away when the results were posted. I was thinking we'd for sure have someone watch him and wasn't sure the mafia would hit such an obvious target. That was a noob mistake. I was sold on Samus being town D1 and perhaps it was my inner mafia (who would I kill if I was scum?) telling me he needed to be protected. Imran investigating iSo and then me when we both got new roles was also a mistake. I wasn't convinced he wasn't scum until he died. Might have helped if after he inspected iSo N1, he got off the iSo wagon instead of continuing to post like he thought he was scum. http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/50943-rf-01-endgame-iron-city-mafia-mafia-win/page-16?do=findComment&comment=774266 Lyner, you goon...at least I pegged one thing correctly. My initial D2 thoughts were pretty good, just shouldn't have been so zoomed in on Imran. 6 mafia and 1 SK - town wasn't going to win this game.

meh

Okay, I will vote Mario as well. At least I can finish the game with a karma vote. Vote Mario S.amus, Imran Ehsan, Big Ego, Lyner, Spaztik Muffin, iSocialism, and TBR = day over

I didn't flip-flop. EM came across scummy after his post about someone else knowing he wasn't scum AND I felt like it would tell us who was scum and who wasn't scum by his results. I've posted and voted accordingly.

I want to try and give you any benefit of doubt Imran because for town to win we need a strong vet or two, but nothing you post helps. You spend more time trying to convince us why you aren't scum then why someone else is scum and then when you do post your list you have very shallow reasons. Notice how I don't even respond to your weak attempts to paint me as scum? It's because I know I am not and I know what I've posted and how I've posted reflects the same. Scum stays in the shadows or tries to ride with the flow. They don't lead the charge to scum hunt. They aren't sure who may have investigated them and what secrets were obtained. Why is Shamus strong town? Maybe he is on your scum team and you guys didn't realize Kevin was on the others cum team? How do you not see the difference in Lyner posting this time around? I also see him lurking more often when I check this thread periodically throughout the day. he was reading it when I began this post. FWIW, those aren't new points, just the same point with different examples. I don't feel like you are scum hunting. The bigger problem is that applies to several people this game. other scum not others cum

Welcome Preston! Here's a quick rundown: The bandwagon on me was started by TBR with the following post: This was posted towards the start of the day along with his vote. Following this, before I even got a chance to respond, or even got online, the bandwagon started with votes on me from Iso, spaztik, emu and mariomario. I was 2 votes away from lynch without even getting a chance to post. all the 4 votes on after TBR had the excuse in the lines of "great analysis TBR, he is scum". Basically nothing new but a typical bandwagon for a quick lynch. I saw that the accusations agaist me were basically 2 things: a. i was inactive on Day 1 b. my vote on Isocialsm, before i voted EM. My explanation to point a. was made in this post Mt explanation to point b was made in this post However the bandwagoners still stayed on my wagon without even trying to refute my defense. Their respose has been "clap hands on ear and say lalala to my posts, while frothing at the mouth with posts like, he has no defense, his defense is inadequate, he is scum, all his posts are scum". Note that no one tried to say why my explanations where scummy or why the posts i made does not make sense. They were pretty much ignored. od and interesting thing that happened was when Samoos or someone else (?) pointed out that mario was bandwagoning (he did the same thing on day 1, emy quickly unvoted posting "imran's defense is good" followed by a quick unvote from mario. Then when pointed out that that is backpedalling, the heroic duo of mario and emy quickly put their votes back on again. Since then it has been nothing but the kinds of posts from above, lalalallal, imran is scum from mario and emu with iSO and spaztik gone off to lurk mode. I see no point in responding to those really. Thats the situation so far. Not even close. You haven't given any analysis on who you think is scum or why they are scum, no debate on how many scum you think there are or why anyone was targeted, you haven't commented on me saying I know there are two scum teams with at least five scum remaining. You look no less scummy today then when I called you out. In my same analysis I called out mario for his actions but attribute it to him being new. Had this not been a reboot and if I wasn't sure he got a new role, he'd be at the top of my list. We are at 7 town and 5 scum and nobody is sharing any useful information. No way town wins this game.

While I do think scum team 2 could have some people voting for Imran, I have no doubt that scum team 1 (Imran's team) has been completely silent, until probably your post. What I do like about this format is scum players have to pretend they are town, but maybe not too townie or they get killed by the other scum team. Good chance Kevin was actually killed by the other scum team to support that hypothesis. Was Kevin on your and Imran's team? Now that's a big accusation there. Imran may or may not been a scum, but if he is scum, his wagon is too quickly building up for a scum(it takes 7 to lynch, he is at 5). Ergo he gets townie points more than the others. Also I disagree, if the scum teams are fighting each other they will try to lynch the townies first until it reaches the point where the probability of town winning is minimal. Unless that is your scum team's strategy this round? Vote: TBR If we have a vig, this is who should be killed N2. Pretty sure he is just a goon and doesn't have a power role, but the scum is strong with this one.

Is that a real question?

Further analysis based off this assumption, We've lost 3 townies & 1 scum, which means possibly we have either 7/8 townies & 5/4 scum left - again going off the assumption that it's 70/30 townie/scum ratio. Also if there are multiple teams - based off this ratio assumption, TBR pointed out prior that there could be 3 scum teams of 2, or maybe 2 scum teams of 3 (which makes 6 scum in total and aligns with the 70/30 ratio assumption), now that we potentially only have 5/4 scum left, i'm assuming there may have been 2 teams of 3 I agree with Imran that either 3, 4, 5 of those 5 people who voted to quick-lynch him are possibly scum - its just such a quick bandwagon, but possibly not all as I wouldn't think one of the scum teams strategy would be to place all their votes in the same basket as that's just too obvious, so maybe only one or two of them are actually scum and are just looking at a cheap shot to lynch another townie. EDIT: The more I think about this, the more ideas I get, notice the people who go for the quick lynch, these are almost definitely scum. If you look at KevinH's post prior to him being killed and found as scum, he was one of the people looking to majority lynch before the day proper ended, why? so scum could get their night actions quicker. This is one of the reasons I definitely think mario is scum. I bolded two parts for my reply. I guarantee there are two teams and at least one of those teams started with three people. It's no secret that Mario, iSo, and myself were on one of those teams and we were given instructions about what would happen if us or the other team dropped down to one remaining member. On the quick lynch thing, I've seen where most scum prefer to stay below the radar. The natural instinct is to not draw attention. They know they are guilty so tend to act like it. Part of my quick vote was to see the response from fellow players. Sadly, it is about what is expected. Newer and less experienced players who were scum may see the quick opportunity to jump onto an early wagon while vet scum players sit back and wait to see how it plays out. I do find it telling that 1) Imran is focusing on someone else's posting (mario) instead of providing any analysis on who he thinks is scum; a scum mistake because they already know who the scum are and 2) Lyner, is semi-defending him by trying to support another wagon and also not providing any analysis. There are five scum left and we lost two vanilla town and one roleblocker. Many of our remaining town should have decent roles that can help us figure this out. While I don't want a single one of them to say what they did or role-claim and paint a target on their back, it sure would be nice to be able to read between the lines a bit and have any useful information.

While I do think scum team 2 could have some people voting for Imran, I have no doubt that scum team 1 (Imran's team) has been completely silent, until probably your post. What I do like about this format is scum players have to pretend they are town, but maybe not too townie or they get killed by the other scum team. Good chance Kevin was actually killed by the other scum team to support that hypothesis. Was Kevin on your and Imran's team?

scum kill - mafia shot him up vigilante kill - hang 'em up. This could be scum or serial killer, but I lean towards a second scum team.

12 people left and possibly 5 of them scum. Remaining Player - Vote on Day 1 iSocialism - No Vote Kaziocore - Kevin Raugln Bludhaven - Lord Hippo Spaztik Muffin - Lord Hippo Big Ego - EM emudevelopment - EM Imran Ehsan - EM Lyner - EM mariomario190 - EM Ovidsidios - EM Master Master Samus - EM TBRaiders - EM I split that into two groups; alphabetically those who didn't vote for EM and those that did. Only iSocialism and Kaziocore didn't vote for a townie. Spaz and Kaz both seem very inactive (mod prod time) and I've had a townie vibe from iSo so that makes me think we find most of the scum on the EM bandwagon. I am not saying none of these four are scum. It is likely at least one of them are (Spaz?) but I do think we find the majority of scum on the list of people who voted for EM. Reading back through Day 1 posts, I've created my list of suspects and here there are: 1) Imran Ehsan - I am roughly 85% sure you are scum. The only informative post you provided D1 was when you provided your analysis between Hippo and EM, two townies, as to which you felt was more likely scum. Safe analysis when you knew neither was your scum mate. The rest of your posts feel different then when you played a town previously. What stood out to me was a random vote for iS0 along with "His posts looks scummy to me" as your logic. I had just taken notes on every post made up to that point and nothing iS0 posted came across as scummy. 2) Lyner - You are posting different than you have the last two games I played with you. You have been tossing suspicion around to several players without any rationale rather than staying under the radar a bit like you normally do. If I had to guess, I'd say you are a mafia goon this time around. A fun role where you want to be active and spread some confusion (see all of Kevin's posts), but not concerned with protecting a power role or staying out of the limelight because you are townie. 3) mariomario190 - I blame most of this on you being new, but is that the WIFOM? Would Rafay allow you to stay as scum after the initial fiasco? If this was the initial game and we had only day 1 to go off of, you be higher on my list. As is, I wouldn't put it past Rafay to just flip you to a mafia goon. You jumped from person to person with your suspicion; Big Ego, iSo, EM. It felt very opportunist, much like the final vote you placed on EM to lynch him and end the day early. 4) Master Master Samus - I had you listed as town going into N1 and had Kevin and Robert as scum on my list. Robert wasn't scum so that means I missed someone. I still give you townie points for not putting the final vote on Hippo, but was that a calculated decision to not have the final vote? More notes: Kevin - voted for Raugln Bludhaven so probably not on the same scum team. Raugln Bludhaven and Spaz - Didn't take vote off Hippo after his role claim emudevelopment - I had you on scum list for a while right next to mario. Then you made a great post calling out Kevin for role-digging and putting your vote on him. Worst case, I know you aren't on the same scum team Kevin was on. Big Ego - I have a town vibe and it grew when you defended yourself, but a few other people don't agree. My next time reading through the thread I am going to focus on your posts and those posting against you to see what I missed. iSocialism and Ovidsidios - Strongest town vibe for me, which means if I am wrong about them I am probably wrong about everything. Vote: Imran Ehsan

I was assuming there are two scum teams of 3 players each, well probably a team of two and a team of three now. I also assumed both teams were made up of one Mafia Role Cop and two goons. Good chance one team is down to just two goons. We probably have a vigilante who killed one of the scum or who killed a townie while the 2nd scum team killed Kevin. Lord Hippo seemed like an obvious kill after claiming a power role so I am surprised one of the scum teams took that kill. Hopefully we had someone watch him and they post results today.

Did he ever mention if this one other person is a real person or imaginary? I suppose we will find out shortly if he was telling the truth or not.

I'd have to see that quote again. Also, he is at 8 votes so where is his white knight convincing us all he is town?

Hippo, put EM out of his misery.

You do realize that if he was scum he could have easily placed the 9th vote on you and ended this day right?

Okay. I think you are both town and you both are voting for EM. I will follow. Vote: Electric Mango

why is that I don't want to reveal my role. You'll have to trust me for at least 1 day. It could potentially keep you in the game. That doesn't really help, because you're possibly suggesting you have role blocking abilities. i'm new to mafia but i'm pretty sure there are scum/townie role blockers, so if you're trying to prove you're a townie - it doesn't really change anything. Walk me through how you deduced he was a role-blocker from these posts. Why not a doctor or a cop or watcher or any other town role? I was thinking about changing my vote off Hippo with his role-claim, but nothing says he isn't a scum role-blocker and you aren't one of his partners. I think we learn a bit if he is lynched. For instance, if he is scum then you are probably also scum but if we lynch him and he is town then you are cleared for not tossing on that 9th vote when you could have done it. Then again, I would guess there are two scum teams with each team having a mafia role-cop and two goons so role-blocker is probably not a scum role. Going off that assumption, I will put you both on my "not scum" list, but I'd still like to know what made you make that leap of judgement. UNVOTE

I liked where you guys were going with EM. Good chance he is scum, but I hate lynching a player like him on a hunch and, if he turns out to be town, losing a strong townie. Lord Hippo sure seems to want a lynch and I want to assist. Vote: Lord Hippo

Pretty sure the mod said we shouldn't talk about it, but if we don't have idiot scum you guys saying you have the same roles are doing a great job helping them form a plan.

...about 20 posts too late, but thanks.