brewersalliance

okay so here we are. Town: Velocity- Vision, Watcher Zacch- BG Me Dark Fox (if dark fox is scum, im going to murder tw for letting what happened happen... thats why i am 99.9% sure he is town) Scum is in this list Lord MK Robert Lyner Imran Preston Isoc(2) MK refusing to take his vote off Velocity feels like something Town MK does. So for now he gets the benifit of the doubt from me. Prestons posts have been very townish, so right now he also gets a pass Therefore focusing on these: Robert Lyner Imran Isoc 2 Robert, ive detailed my susoicsions of him before Lyner: Feels like this could be fishing to get dark fox to give out some info to know if he is a good target for scum or not Isoc 2... yeah someone else needs to jump into him for me, idk who he even replaced... Imran An extremely common scum move is commenting on how much a night kill hurt the town, or if a kill is blocked how good that is. And im thinking that might be the case here Vote imran

LWW should have fully claimed. I get zachh protecting velo. Velo had the stone. So it makes sense that they would go after velocity. I dont really blame zacch here. I blame LWW for being cagey and refusing to fully role claim. Zacch made the right call protecting velocity, since we knew velocity had a stone.

Zacch who did you protect last night? Also Velocity, please tell me you were smart enough to watch lww lol

role cop is def a common scum role. Jazzy could very well be town Okay so zacch is town. makes sense with his claim before he that he did not get a result on me. and lww backs it up with the cop claim. i really hope Jazzy is a scum role cop.., as his claim now outed our cop, but at least we have a protective role. now is where things get interesting.... we have a watcher, cop and a body guard.... Jazzy, what order did you do your investigations? was zacch or lww n1? also to build off Zacch's list, dark fox is town. so depending on how Jazzy flips our 2-4 scum scum will be in this list: MK Robert Lyner Imran Preston Isoc2 We should have pretty good odds at winning this game, ESPECIALLY if Jazzy is a scum role cop. I could easily see TW making Thor a scum safe claim. Thor is like TW's favorite character and idk if he would want someone not him being thor. Also cop kind of doesnt fit with thor... Dr Strange was a Dr-duh Tony Stark was a JOAT(super smart inventor), Vision is a Watcher (mind stone fits this), Black Widow is a voyer (spy fits this). Zach, who is your character? Same with LWW I wouldnt be shocked if Jazzy is actually Ebony Maw. Dude has psychic powers and it scum role cop would fit with the character a lot more than thor. Also, I told velocity and jazzy to role claim to give them a shot to save them... standard mafia practice is to role claim if youre gonna get lynched. and I told you to fully RC cause you were causing a shit ton of confusion with your half claims.... it was doing more harm than good. you would have been the prime lynch candidate if LWW didnt just confirm you.

I actually probably shot myself in the foot here. Not that I lied, but that my role doesn't actually guarantee innocence. So revealing anything about the people I know information about could give scum fake ammo. Logically I don't see Velocity unvoting me because iirc that would mean he's lynched, I don't think Brewers will unvote me because I voted him, I don't think lww will unvote as I have neither a good defense nor a good offense. Imran could unvote but again, I think that means Velocity is hung as he passed the threshold first, so without someone countering his RC that seems like too risky of a move. Town is gonna lose another town, may Hela have mercy on my soul. youre about to be lynched. just role claim and give us what you have, otherwise if you are town you will take it to the grave. and then it gives us a shot of unvoting... you refusing to share makes it seem more likely that you are indeed scum

this made me lol im insulted. @tw i request a mod kill of both Mk for saying this and imran for laughing. this is a safe space

Jazzy was online last yesterday at 3:08pm TW posted this vote count at 2:45pm So Jazzy was online and knows he is in danger of being lynched and chose not to post or defend himself so you are correct, he has seen the wagon and has chosen to do nothing about it. If he is town, shame on him.

@mk So you sound like you believe velocities claim but you won’t unvote? Yeah MK is town lol

I’m drink hi

You have DEFINITELY cut this one close to the end - I get that you wanted to avoid claiming, but the fact you had to be prodded this hard to save yourself has me facepalming a bit. I'm flattered you were watching out for me on N2 though I'm getting echoes of D2 and Kevin's Black Widow role here, with all the talk about safe claims and being told that flavor doesn't matter much All sarcasm aside, I'm with you on this one. Nobody is counter-claiming, and this would be an insanely ballsy claim to fake given the setup. I know Velocity is scum, because I targeted Brewers night 1 with my town role. This may also be me misunderstanding what a watcher can actually see, someone please explain and I will either reinforce my claim or withdraw it. And then we get into all of THIS mess. Zacch directly pits himself against Velocity by trying to counter-claim, and despite what looks like 2 pages of coaching has not been able or willing to copy/paste his results and role PM into the thread to remove confusion about what he is even saying. If I'm reading all this right, Velocity watched Brewers N1 and was blocked, then watched me N2 and was not blocked but saw nothing. Unless I missed it catching up in what looks like a quote-war, Zacch hasn't actually said what his role IS that Velocity didn't see, either. Zacch, you are acting very strongly like you're trying to push people back onto Velocity after he's made his claim, and due to your newness you didn't realize that you were going to trap yourself by doing so. This just stacks with ALL of your other inconsistencies, pushing you toward the "newbie scum" definition instead of "newbie town". So at THIS point my suspect list needs some pretty crazy revamping. This claim has pulled the rug out from under all the reasons Velocity had presented as scum, so obviously he's off the list. iSoc2 I still want more of an explanation for that D2 vote on LWW that kept you off all other wagonsZacch moves up in the ranking for directly opposing Velocity and Brewers and generally being all over the place- it might still be newbiness, but he feels to be trying REAL hard to keep the wagon on Velocity despite the Mind Stone potentially being at stake.Robert unchanged - see my earlier post for detail - but he's at least participating in the discussion now.Jazzy remains not my top pick, but his earlier attempt to avoid voting and the fact he was on the Kevin wagon make him a more substantial pick than Kevin's stretch for Tony on D2. There's not a lot of time left in the day to debate about better wagon options, and the only clear choice at this point appears to be the one Velocity himself is picking - similar to Kevin's wagon on Tony, the only wagon being started by someone we solidly believe to be town. I'm a little late posting due to not getting to read anything since this morning, but let's keep Vision alive. Unvote Vote: Jazzy Well i mean the stone holder part, if he claimed like spider-man that could be a fake claim with a safe claim given by tw, but the stones are being singled out in the flavor so they have some bearing on the game. no way stone holder is a scum safe claim. as for the scum list, I agree mine has changed a lot but i will wait for what happens at night to go over it again and how jazzy flips. Velocity has moved up with dark fox for me for 99.9% chance of being town

so you think velocity is lying about being vision? when the real vision could just claim that he is indeed vision and thus confirm velocity is scum???

okay and? he got a no result which clearly means he was blocked lol

well you can say the same thing for your action. 6.3% chance you actually targeted me night 1 as well, so that is also not likely if we use your reasoning here....

well its hard to give any other explanation other than what we have since you are being very coy about your action lol i highly doubt if youre town that scum will kill you tonight lol

If your action does not go through then you never visited me.... @TW can we get an official vote count

also for anyone who cares brewersalliance 59 lilweirdward 56 Zacch 43 The Warrior 33 Imran Ehsan 32 Robert2424 30 Velocity 27 Preston 20 KevinH 19 DarkFox 18 Lyner 16 Lord MK 11 Jazzy95 11 Tony Maurice 9 iSocialism 7 Bryan93 4 Samus 1 you never said that lol so youre not investigative. you could be protective, or a blocker of some sorts... while I dont usually like to ask people to role claim if its not needed, you have created a TON of confusion and it might be best for u just to fully claim so we can try to make sense of what u are saying What I'm saying is pretty clear, if Velocity is a watcher, then he should have seen me visit brewers on night 1. I am not yet at risk of being voted off during the day, so it does not make sense to claim my role. If things change and I have the most votes, then I will role claim. what youre saying is not clear... you were being coy with telling us your results. then when i said it was important for you to tell us exactly word for word what was said, you said TW did not give you any results.... this is what you first said: and then this is what you are saying now the first one sounds like you got a result or response of some sort from TW. The second u are saying u didnt. This is starting to feel like a fake claim to me. You realized if you word the results wrong, we will know its a fake RC so now you saying he didnt respond to avoid that HUGE FOS on Zacch Null means invalid or zero, I.E. I did not receive a valid response, the result was null. My action was not executed. What I find suspicious is that both you and lww are completely dismissive of Velocity. There is a 1 in 14 chance that Velocity was roleblocked on night 1. That is by no means probable or likely. This whole discussion today has reaffirmed by suspicion of all three of you. now your action wasnt executed? so you are saying your action didnt even happen?? if your action never happened then how on god's earth would velocity have seen you visit me lol you are ALL over the place here

you never said that lol so youre not investigative. you could be protective, or a blocker of some sorts... while I dont usually like to ask people to role claim if its not needed, you have created a TON of confusion and it might be best for u just to fully claim so we can try to make sense of what u are saying What I'm saying is pretty clear, if Velocity is a watcher, then he should have seen me visit brewers on night 1. I am not yet at risk of being voted off during the day, so it does not make sense to claim my role. If things change and I have the most votes, then I will role claim. what youre saying is not clear... you were being coy with telling us your results. then when i said it was important for you to tell us exactly word for word what was said, you said TW did not give you any results.... this is what you first said: and then this is what you are saying now the first one sounds like you got a result or response of some sort from TW. The second u are saying u didnt. This is starting to feel like a fake claim to me. You realized if you word the results wrong, we will know its a fake RC so now you saying he didnt respond to avoid that HUGE FOS on Zacch

OH i thought you were on robert still Vote jazzy

im not going to say if I am or if I am not. I will say this tho, it has been used in games as both a transparent role and as a hidden modifier fake claiming is very unlikely, as the real vision could just counter claim it. 0% chance Vision is a safe claim for the scum since collecting the stones seems to have some importance on this game

you never said that lol so youre not investigative. you could be protective, or a blocker of some sorts... while I dont usually like to ask people to role claim if its not needed, you have created a TON of confusion and it might be best for u just to fully claim so we can try to make sense of what u are saying

velocity is at 3 votes now, jazzy is at two votes. we need either two more votes on jazzy or one person to come off velocity I will vote for jazzy most likely but we still need another

this confirms one of three things: velocity was roleblocked. a rolestopper targeted me, or I am aesthetic

The watcher is told who, if anyone visited a target Now for the 4th time: what did your results say. like what did they actually say. this is important

so velocity's action failed in some way, so that would make sense that he would not see Zacch targeting me. Yes, ascetic is immune to all night actions except kills. I don't think I've ever seen it in a game since I started playing but brewers could be that. its been in games. ive used it, TW has used it. @zacch you need to tell us exactly what the results are. Wording of the results is super important. @velocity what was the result you got world for word n2

per the wiki: A Watcher's action can fail due to, e.g., a Roleblocker targeting them or an attempt to watch an Ascetic target; in these cases, the Watcher will be aware that their action has failed, and will receive a no result PM. No result means your action was blocked/failed