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No result tends to mean you were blocked FYI with a watcher in the past TW would say something like: No one visited Brewers the exact wording is VERY important, hence why i asked. Zacch, saying null doesnt help. you are being very coy

I know Velocity is scum, because I targeted Brewers night 1 with my town role. This may also be me misunderstanding what a watcher can actually see, someone please explain and I will either reinforce my claim or withdraw it. you might want to go into more details here with this... like what the results were of your action as well what was the exact wording of your result There could be a roleblocker in play that targeted one of you two

Velocity (4): Lord MK, Lyner, Preston, iSocialism 2.0 Scum is almost for sure on this wagon in my opinion MK has been hard on velocity this whole game for who knows why so he isn’t going to unvote Isoc might not come on lol so he might not Meaning we need Preston and lyner to unvote to save velo or we need to get someone more votes

No way the stone holders are a safe claim since they clearly have a point in the game with the flavor… m Velocity is 100% town

Either way velo is prob either vision or the collector and has a stone so I don’t think we should lynch him But he needs to fully claim at this point And the people who posses the stones are def not going to be a safe claim so if he’s lying whomever really is that role can easily refute him

I’m guessing velocity isn’t town or scum… I feel like he’s gonna be a survivor or something

I mean you’re going to get lynched tomorrow so you might as well role claim to try to save yourself Saying you are more than a town power role is stupid It feels like you are implying you have an infinity stone… Also saying town aligned is kind of weird and feels very specific instead of just saying town power role. Are you claiming you are the collector

I agree with this 10000%

fuck you got us. lww is my multi ive always said i had one... well here it is. im fine with a lynch of velo.

honestly for me it can go either way with zacch. or zaach or zach... he is coming off as either a new town player, and what he is doing feels like it could be that, but it can also be mistakes from an inexperienced scum player. you are pointing out how both lww and i both were very aggressive on kevin.... if anything this makes it extremely UNLIKELY that we are partners. no two competent scum players are going to both go after someone hard like that my thoughts on the game: Town: Me-obviously Dark Fox- town, he knows why i am 99.9% sure he is town. dont want to out him tho if anyone missed what happened. lww: posts feel townish, as well as his push for kevin early. dont feel like he would do that as scum. now if kevin flipped scum, he could have been bussing but I dont see scum pushing that hard on a townie this early, ESPECIALLY since i was leading the charge and there would be no reason to do it since i am gonna push kevin all day anyways Preston: ive never played with him before so idk his play style but typically the giant quote walls go hand in hand with town players, so for now im giving him the benefit of the doubt No clue: Imran: dont have a feeling either way. He hasnt done anything that screams scum or town. he is a skilled player so he could play as scum easily without being obviously scum isocialism 2- i dont even remember who he replaced and hes posted once so I got nothing for him Lyner: same as imran MK: no where near as active as he usually is, but i feel like he would be a lot more active if scum. tho he has made some weird votes zach: cant tell if he is scum or just a new townish player. it feels like he is trying hard tho so brownie points i guess Scum Suspects: Robert- ive detailed my reasoning before Jazzy: he has been very quiet and his actions feel like he is trying to hide under the radar. also his place on the Kevin Wagon feels like a spot where scum would hide. im def open to voting him instead of robert velocity: he came out of the gate d1 saying it was a new velocity and he votes now... and then doesnt vote at all d2 and avoids the kevin wagon even tho he comments right before deadline saying he thinks kevin might be scum... feels like potental scum trying to avoid a wagon i think thats everyone you followed me on kevin so shut up two feels on the set up: Scum is three people or scum is two people and if thanos gets all three stones half the townies die randomly if scum is three people, my gut tells me that one of the scum is probably from my no clue list of people.... usually at least one scum will do a good job blending in with town, and for my suspects, usually we are good for a few townies playing poorly and looking like they are scum lol tho there is no rafay this game thats usually his job, but kevins RC felt like a Rafay move so I guess rafay was with us in spirit

Uhhh Zaach… im so confused with what you are doing lol but okay have fun with whatever you’re doing?

Good to see a followup from MK. Much of this summarizes my current thoughts and why Velocity is currently top of my list. I am also bolding/highlighting a portion of MK's post that I think is a really good point - the fact that both kills so far are not on anyone we would have expected matches the idea of scum trying to avoid any sort of observational role. I remember TW did small mafia team + SK during the Chamber of Secrets game I played, but we have not seen a 2-kill night yet. Unless there is another protective role or bulletproof out there to have blocked the double kill, there's not yet STRONG evidence for a SK. With that said I won the Chamber of Secrets game as a SK by deliberately skipping my first even-night kill, so I can't rule it out either. Especially if Thanos is the SK and is getting powers based on stones collected. Per my post, Jazzy is still on my list as well. He has since posted that he intends to catch up on the thread soon - please do so ASAP, your silence isn't helping matters! I also bolded a good point you make - both Velocity and Jazzy were hesitant with their votes. This may have been coincidence (Jazzy claims it is just his style), but if we assume Jazzy is scum then it adds impetus for why Velocity would have wanted to avoid stacking the Kevin wagon. And then Robert chimes in with a surprisingly long and detailed list. Grammar aside, this is a bit of a wide net you're casting. I'll limit my focus to your top four/five (since the last two are a tie for you). Your list overall appears to be taken from other peoples' lists and rationales. On the one hand this means I can't disagree with much of it and these are real reasons to be paying attention to people. On the other hand I'm not sure if this is you just going with the flow so long as the flow is away from you. Zacch was my vote yesterday, so I cannot immediately fault your choice to suspect him. You seem to have cut off the end of your paragraph talking about why, but there's not a lot of new content in this. Velocity per above is currently my #1 choice - not much to say there. Lyner is weak to have on your list here as his main fault appears to be borderline inactivity that could end up with him getting modkilled. You could make the argument he's trying to lay low, but he's doing a poor job of it if so. DF - I dont understand your reasoning for equating him to Jazzy, beyond him simply being on the Kevin wagon. Unless I am forgetting something I dont think DF actively tried to equivocate or dodge voting, and he has seemed overall positive thus far. Jazzy your reasons dont seem to make much sense at all - ranking him just by avatar picture and post count when there's more relevant reasons to be talking about him, such as his having tried to avoid voting before? Your vote for Zacch at minimum puts your intentions on record. Whatever other problems there maybe with Robert, this perspective from Brewers confuses me a bit. Ignoring power roles, one of the most relevant bits we have to work from is the wagon that lynched a townie. I would be surprised if NO scum are on Kevin's wagon, even going by numbers alone - his awkward claim would have made it terribly easy to justify after the fact. Robert jumped on the Tony wagon as soon as Kevin started it and then stuck with it til the end of the day. He said it'd piss Brewers off, but the real focus appears to have been that he was supporting Kevin's choice for a competing wagon - it all comes down to Robert claiming he believed Kevin. The question is whether Robert did so with guilty knowledge, or whether he just believed Kevin for its own sake. Looks like LWW's getting into the long post game too, I'll address select bits of it for brevity and avoiding redundancy for points already covered above: This is a dangerous mindset if you're town. Ignoring the fact that a Voyeur is not the easiest role claim for town to prove anyway, he easily could have been a mafia voyeur with a safe claim, so proving his role would not have confirmed him as town. This game is probably a role madness game, and you can bet that scum will try to come up with role claims that make town think they should avoid lynching them. We can't let people off the hook for blatantly scummy actions just because they made a claim that we can't disprove. It's not personality, it's the fact that he said multiple times in D2 that he thinks Tony should have mod killed or replaced, and complained when he was allowed back in the game. He made it pretty clear that he didn't want Tony to be playing (seemingly for OOC reasons) and I think that makes him more suspicious given that Tony was killed the following night. As everyone has pointed out, there is no real reason that Tony should have been killed - if anything, there were reasons for mafia to keep him alive - so I don't think that Robert's stated motives should be ignored, especially in context of him trying to tie himself to Kevin so hard. This makes no sense to me. How could you tell that he's not scum if you also thought he was acting scummy? Kevin himself commented that his ability as Voyeur wasn't the strongest - says what happened but not who. I'm not sure that proving or disproving Kevin's role was ever really up for debate - I was critical of Zacch for even suggesting any sort of test that would involve revealing another role by someone having to confirm him with the Doctor dead. The idealist in me would like to think that the OOC opinions Robert expressed about Tony being in the game wouldn't have affected Robert's actual gameplay even if he is scum. Yeah, this combined with Robert being one of the three votes on the Tony wagon is something that's giving me pause about Robert as well - it could be as you describe, but it's just so OBVIOUS that I'm reflexively unsure about it. ---- Okay, with all of this caught up I'm going to summarize my thoughts/suspects and cast my own vote. Scum Shortlist: Velocity, iSoc2.0, Robert, Zacch, Jazzy Velocity: Strongly stands out to me that he was claiming offline inactivity only to suddenly post within 1 hour of Brewers calling him out and within 2 hours of day's end. This to me screams watching the thread and trying to lay low, only putting in a token presence that he didn't realize would be taken this stronglyHis D2 post tried to straddle the lines and not get officially listed on any vote wagon - scum splitting votes.His D3 post tries to backtrack and say that his D2 "scummy" didnt actually mean "think Kevin is scum, actually I thought he was town but didn't say it" iSoc2: Strangely this doesnt seem to be on anyone else's radar for some reason???iSoc2 took over for an inactive Bryan, posted an attack on LWW at the end of D2, and hasn't been seen sinceVoting for LWW was a new wagon - again showing the potential for scum splitting votes if Bryan had been inactive scumLWW is also someone that I generally consider to have been working in town interests, so for iSoc2 to use LWW "playing along with Kevin's wagon without dding to it" feels wrong - a thin justification to avoid being on any other wagoniSoc2 again hasn't posted on D3 - raises the idea that he is laying low and letting the existing wagon(s) play out. If he doesn't return he may move to my #1 spotRobert: Tied himself to Kevin after Kevin started the Tony wagon, and never moved his vote even as the day endedOne of 2 others on Kevin's Tony wagon after Tony was nightkilled and flipped town. Stated his OOC opinion he didn't want Tony in the gameRobert-as-scum interpretationHe wanted town cred, wanted in early for supporting Kevin, tipped his hand with guilty knowledge by doing soHe used the scum nightkill to remove Tony in support of his OOC reasonsHis presence on the Tony wagon was vote spreading so that not all scum would be on the Kevin wagonD3 post of suspects and reasons looks gleaned from everyone else - nothing new, some nonsensicalRobert-As-Town interpretationHe believed Kevin's claim (or that Kevin wouldn't be so stupid as to claim like this if he was scum), and stayed with Kevin's choice of wagon in an attempt to save himLooking back, Robert's vote came when there were only 4 votes on the Kevin wagon. With 4:2 and plenty time left in day, momentum could have shifted and Tony could have been lynched instead. Thus at that point in the day it was not a safe 'never going to happen' wagonHis presence on the small Tony wagon and his OOC disdain for Tony make him too obvious of a pick following the scum nightkill that flipped Tony as townI have trouble seeing the personal reasons angle given that it was SUCH a bad scum play if he is scum, that it would lose the game for more than just Robert. Maybe idealist again, but throwing the game for multiple people is something I dont want to think of anyoneHis D3 post looking like a repeat of everyone else's could be because he doesn't see anything new to add, but at least he's paying attention to have that muchI am conflicted about Robert, as evidenced by the fact he's merited a more detailed scum/town section. He is #3 on my list for this reason.Zacch: Consistent follower behavior - getting things wrong then backpedaling or joining another vote after people tell him what to doD2 proposed testing Kevin with other power roles after our Doctor was killed, which would have involved more people roleclaiming and outing themselves - this felt like a massive red flagD3 voting for Brewers as 'sus' with no elaboration until prompted, and when prompted it boiled down to little more than gut feeling - that he then promptly abandoned to follow onto Robert ... while still claiming he thinks Brewers is scum?? Why shift your vote to follow someone you suspect is scum??D1 pro-lynch, voting an inactive Jazzy seemingly by accident (at odds with his text), then backpedaling and saying it was to get reactions and baiting peopleD2 OMGUS voteThe fact that Robert voted for Zacch and Zacch subsequently voted for Robert is not lost on me - a mix of OMGUS and following others' direction per above.He was on the Kevin wagon, again followingClaiming newbie as an excuse for his behaviorGiven the laundry list above it might be true that he is new, but it's dangerous to let an excuse like that stand unquestionedZacch is no longer my #1 suspect given everything else going on today, but I could easily see him as scum whether new or not - following other scum cues on how to play and generally trying to stay under the radar by letting others drive the day.Jazzy: Reluctant voting - says it's a style, comments how there are enough votes to lynch Kevin and tries to stay off the wagonAssociation with Velocity who even more strongly tried to stay off the wagon; if Jazzy is scum then Velocity as scum makes more sense to avoid stacking votes, and vice versaRelatively quiet on D3 though has posted they intend to post again soonIf we lynch Velocity and he flips scum, strong FoS on JazzyAnother wall of text for everyone! Thanks for reading this far. I'll conclude with what you all know is coming by staking my position Vote: Velocity RHZIO WOULD BE PROUD

My top two scum suspects are Robert and jazzy How jazzy joined the Kevin wagon to me felt like where scum would be Jazzy hasn’t been very vocal tho so I’d be okay with lynching either Robert or jazzy but I feel like it has to be one of the two today Actually this is a good point with Robert and tony. I was thinking that it was a dick move to kill tony. Almost felt intentional and vindictive and maybe someone from iron was but hurt about him being allowed to play Vote robert

been super busy but ill read up later for now I want to address this I dont dislike you robert lol i disliked how you played for roughly a year or two where every single night action you did was targeting me and you basically only voted me. thats what I didnt like lol i wasnt on the kevin wagon i started it. lol give me credit Robert is trying hard to make it sound like being on Kevins wagon= scum.... we dont know if a signle scum was even on the wagon. Robert also instantly tied himself to kevin, when kevin voted tony. That is a typical scum move/tell- tie yourself to a townie. and robert is acting like what kevin did was normal town behavior. Lets be real, kevin randomly role claiming for no reason was not a typical town move. it was very scummy of him to do so. Robert keeps calling out the wagon as crappy and stuff, when in reality, kevin being voted made sense for his actions. only way to know he was town to the degree robert is being is if you are scum. big FoS on robert. ill go through all the other posts later but robert feels like the most scummy to me and will probably get my vote In before he screams OMGUS

Or maybe the stones are just flavor, if the scum can kill half the people when they get the stoned then that’s beyond OP, unless there are like only two scum and thanos Is an NPC or something While there always can be hints in flavor don’t get caught up in it. Actual gameplay and actions are so much better for scum hunting. Arguing about flavor usually is a waste of time. Sometimes small hints but that’s usually it

Lol what? How is me pointing out that it was a bull shit move sus? As a mod once scum tried to do this in one of my games (kill a replacement player like 24 hours into joining the game) and I refused to allow the kill. It has nothing to do with scum or town. It’s just completely bull shit and unsportsmanlike. Whoever suggested that kill is a total douche

Lol tony was tony stark… Also whoever was scum and killed tony that was a total douche move… we literally fought to get his role changed so he could play and then he finally gets it back and you kill him right away… Total bull shit and super unsportsmanlike imo. Whoever did that literally is a world class cunt

so you think kevin is being scummy but you are intentionally avoiding hammering him with basically two hours to deadline... what advantage is there for keeping the game open? its not like hes going to survive the lynch. If Kevin flips town FoS velocity. Velo would know Kevin is town if velo is scum and Kevin isnt, and therefore velo can try to be off the wagon

TYPICALLY WHEN COMMENTS LIKE THIS ARE MADE, ITS EITHER RAFAY PLAYING OR THE PERSON IS SCUM DID RAFAY HACK KEVIN? TODAY WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE IF HE DID LOL ALSO @VELOCITY WHERE U AT BRO

thats not true... i was lol you were second lynch all liars??? also to your point that people are defending him because of his experience.... he did this in the past once, a weird role claim, and it turns out he was scum that time, so if u wanna base your decisions on his past play, well there it is

You usually don’t do character names without safe claims otherwise it’s not fair to the scum. Everyone could just name claim and the ones who pick someone who are duplicates are scum. Would just break the game so 10000% there are safe claims in this game. And let’s be real, black widow isn’t THAT main of a character… idk why we are focusing on this of all things… it literally is irrelevant and pointless to debate this when we have actual game play to discusss @tony I’ve done that before, sometimes you get new thoughts after you post. Imrans are separated by like 15-20 min so I don’t think he’s just trying to increase his post count. Plus imran has been thoughtful and not contributing so he really wouldn’t need to inflate his post count. Mk where are u at? Your silence is weird Idk why I said “not contributing “ I meant to say not fluff posting and is contributing lol

Saying because the name is black widow he has to be town is flawed. I’ve used main characters as fake claims for the sole purpose of throwing off the town. And I know TW has done that before too. TW would give the scum a fake claim that is safe so that does not mean if Kevin is scum there is actually a black widow out there. So the whole Kevin has to be town because he wouldn’t make that fake claim doesn’t hold any water and should not even be part of the discussion FoS on Jazzy: the way he is claiming to play is in no way helpful to the town and it him highlighting it feels like potential cover Also FoS on Mk: usually one of the most active posters he has said a total of like two words since this whole thing started, feels like he is trying to avoid taking a side. Maybe he doesn’t want to be In the middle of the wagon and would rather drop the hammer to try to say well I wouldn’t hammer my partner etc. idk

TW usually gives safe claims, especially in a game where there is a theme

Why would we lynch tony? There is literally zero reason to lynch him. I get Kevin voting someone because he can’t vote himself and he’s not gonna just go alright yiu caught me but Robert seems to be doing it just to do it and apparently piss me off lol Tony being given a role to play mafia has nothing to do with him being scum lol it has to do with a ton of people putting pressure on irons council and asking for him to be allowed to play. So If that’s why you are voting him that’s beyond dumb and honestly TW shouldn’t even count the vote

Roberts vote on tony is weird lol