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Damn brewers beat me to it Vote: brewers For ruining my first post

First here.

Cool, gotta catch them all Pokemon game. I am in

Lol. That's a little tit for tat from me. I know he's gonna kill me so I just returned the favor. Unfortunately for me it was the case too little too late.

Hope everything is OK. Take care.

no one will ever be able to say "Samus plays like this or Samus plays like that". My game plan will switch up every single game. And I was right to do what I did, I survived the full game length FOR ONCE. I can confirm, your gameplay was the main reason you dropped down on ww's kill list. The decision to let you live came back to bite us real bad. Congrats on that as you're the reason 2 of us got taken out. If you didn't survive that long, who knows what would've happened.

I am curious as to why would you choose SBG as you mentioned many times he was always scum in all the games you played? As for Yehom jailing you, he can answer it better but I am guessing he tried to block scum kill by roleblockling you, rather than trying to save you. But worked out best in the end. SBG being scum was part of my strategy (although I am aware the odds of him being scum yet again were statistically slim, given how often he’s been assigned scum in the past, but since I had to choose someone on N1, might as well assumed he’s scum). I figured if he was scum, then scum won’t kill me and if I concluded he was scum and tried to lynch him, he was not likely to try to frame me in self defense. If I had to die, I wanted to take scum with me. Makes sense and I guess a sound strategy. Did your target know that you're connected as lovers? If yes then that would explain why TW was of the opinion that you're probably town.

I am curious as to why would you choose SBG as you mentioned many times he was always scum in all the games you played? As for Yehom jailing you, he can answer it better but I am guessing he tried to block scum kill by roleblockling you, rather than trying to save you. But worked out best in the end.

Well played town. It was my first game as scum and I enjoyed it. I agree that Yehom was the MVP. While AbT and TW guided the town in the day phase, Yehom took care of business in the night. He stopped kills 3 nights in a row. To top it all Samus had an amazing run of luck. Yeah I absolutely agree with this but the plan was LS to throw me under the bus and carry on, as I couldn't claim FBI agent anymore with Jazzy revealed as my town alter ego. That is why I made the choice of both of us targetting Yehom on N5, and when needed LS can claim his watcher role and "expose" me. Since we couldn't strategize during the day and he was absent at night, we couldn't arrive on a solid plan of action. My bodyguard claim was a last ditch attempt and believe it or not I prepared the claim on the spot and it could've very well been true you know but alas. Damn you Samus!

Well you guys will find out soon that I am not lying. Maybe I will just say the customary "I TOLD YOU SO" right now and gracefully exit the game. There's a reason I said the above 3 days back. I didnt want to be made aware that I am there to screw up a scum kill but theres no point keeping quiet about it now.I am Town Bodyguard. I cant stop kill in the conventional sense but I can redirect the kill to me so that I am killed instead, protecting my target. I wanted to be careful about whom I target each night as I didnt want to sacrifice myself protecting a potential scum because that would suck. Also I wanted to be alive too so that I can enjoy the game for much longer. So N1 I decided to skip visiting anyone as with so many players I was unsure about the set-up and all. I did target others on subsequent nights so here are the actions : N2 - There were 2 roles somewhat revealed, lego and brewers. Since I didnt believe brewers at that time, not exactly his implied role claim but his alignment. Lego seemed bit genuine to me and as a reloader somewhat of a safe choice for not being killed that early. So I targeted him, believing if scum tries to kill him at least I will die protecting fellow townie, though odds of that happening was less. Bit selfish on my part but I didnt know about other powerful PRs to protect. N3 - Robert was revealed as well as Samus claimed nurse. Since nurse was claimed it was definitely certain a doctor was there. Thinking doctor would want to protect nurse, I targeted Robert. Though the use of his role created confusion, he could have been valuable at the later stages of the game and we can probably set up a scum only lynch. Also I hoped he will not be targeted by scum and hopefully I can live another night. N4 - I was AFK on the later part of D4 so I missed that AbT had cancelled his intention of reloading Samus. I got the clarification that I can even redirect the kill of a PGO so if Samus was one, AbT will still live. If Samus is not PGO, I can screw up possible scum plan of framing Samus by killing AbT as well. Turns out AbT didnt use his reload action that night and scum didnt target him either. Rhizo I think targeted AbT that night but was blocked by Yehom, so I lived again. N5 - I urged doctor on D5 to definitely protect Yehom as I still believed then that doctor exists. Thinking Yehom got his back covered, I targeted AbT thinking he might be the second choice and scum might take him up believing that Yehom will be protected by doctor. Turns out to be a wrong decision on my part. Well thats it from me. Hopefully y'all will keep a close eye on those on my suspects list.

I am on my phone so bear with me if my sentences are hard to understand. Here are what my top picks of scum: LS - Comes back after a long hiatus and immediately knows who are "certain" scum. He was in my "maybe" category due to him being inactive for genuine reasons but him trying to push a lynch on me and Kitkat makes me feel he is trying to save a ww who had RCed before today. Also brewers was right to point out the hypocrisy of suspecting me for not claiming. He says he have an important role that's why he is not claiming, but how does he know the same rule can apply to me as well. Jazzy - Nothing much from him throughout the game except finding out Rafay. Now with FBI agent also a ww role it can easily be ww lying low after making us believe his good intentions. I am guessing a ww fbi will play exactly like that. Kitkat - He has been active throughout the game but did little to help hunt scum. Jumped on me without adding anything of his own, said he wouldn't RC even if lynched but goes ahead anyways. Not to mention butchering his RC and not getting that when I indirectly questioned his claim. But keeping all the things he said while role claiming, I think he is not the lynch for today. Though I will keep a close eye on him. As for today's lynch I guess I am right on this one Vote LordSunday

Robert I had confirmed my entry while ago. Looks like you might've missed it.

Lol what? So I dont find the role in the Greater Idea Mafia, dont explicitly mention it first time to see whether Kitkat realizes he goofed up saying one-shot and that means I am trying to keep the wagon on him apparently? Samus, you're simple reaching here. Anyways I am already set for lynch at deadline. Its been the way even before Kitkat's wagon was formed so Samus you dont need to re-vote me. Its weekend so will probably come back later to post more about who should we lynch next before the day ends. And why lynching me is not a good idea, especially with jail keeper gone and probably no doctor in sight.

Why would I be asking more questions about the role you claimed when I said this and you ignored? Now why did I say above? Simple Greater Idea Mafia doesn't have a one-shot bulletproof townie but a WW one. Your Role PM would have clearly mentioned whether you're one shot or not and since you're claiming one-shot, that role doesn't exist for town.

Damn, alright. ​Unvote Samus ​Vote Kitkat ​SM has a Vig gunning for her. Lach has 3 votes on him. So I'll give my attention to you, Kitkat. ​How about getting us started on the name claims? I really would like the 4 unknowns + Brewers to name claim. And anyone else who hasn't. Did Jazzy? ​I just want the character names you were given, NOT your roles. No reason to be shy about it or hide it.. unless you're a scum without a safe name. I almost refused to give you the character name, because it's less well known, and won't be believed. But on reflection, saying that it's less well known and won't be believed isn't any more helpful than just giving you it. So I'm Nien Nunb. I had to Google who that even was, and I've seen The Last Jedi more than once. :v As for roleclaiming, you can forget it, I won't do that even if I'm facing the lynch. Which I'm not, currently. I'm sorry but how is this at all helpful to the town? I'm not pressing you for a role claim.. yet.. but you're telling us that even if you are town and about to be lynched you wouldn't tell us what you are or what information you might have? How in the heck is that a town move? Even scum fake a role claim before being lynched. At least then the town knows they were lying afterward. In your case, if you are town and you refused to role claim before your lynch, your death would literally be WORTHLESS to us. That is not a town play. I think that it's more likely that the role you have is strictly a werewolf role with no possible town counterpart. Therefore you obviously can't claim it because it would give you away as a werewolf. At the same time you probably aren't ready to fake claim because you don't want to be challenged on an actually existing role. To address your paragraphs in order: 1) There is also the possibility that you are a werewolf and wouldn't hammer yourself. 2) I don't really care about Canik's insistence on name claiming to be honest. I don't think that it is going to benefit the town in any way because I'm expecting all scums have a safe claim, but it also won't hurt. 3) I am leaning heavily towards there not being a doctor in this game. If there is, he/she would certainly be targeted at night by the werewolves next, but I'm not even sure that a doctor role claiming at this point is the worst thing in the world for the town. It would be one less person on a very short possible scum list that the town needs to look at. In my mind there are only 3 people left who's role we don't know -- Yours, LordSunday's, and Kitkat's. Fine. I'm a one-shot bulletproof townie. I was going to refuse to roleclaim because I know that a one-shot bulletproof role is a common role that scum claim in these situations and I wouldn't be believed. Therefore it wouldn't help me in the slightest to roleclaim and would possibly seal my death warrant because it would look like a scum move. Unfortunately I do happen to be a one-shot bulletproof and so I'm stuck with roleclaiming it. This should also clear up why I said I wouldn't roleclaim even if I was about to be lynched (I don't *HAVE* any useful information for town, so you're losing nothing) and also why I have been quite quiet this game. Most of you have useful PR roles which can help you to know stuff. I have nothing, and have had to go purely on daytime posts. Unfortunately because of the way the game has turned out that (with most of the townies being known townies), that means I'm basically automatically a lynch target. I'm a townie who hasn't roleclaimed and hasn't said much of substance. But for me, that's (mostly) unavoidable. Although I concede I haven't been as invested in this game as I could have been, even as someone without a useful PR. Re: what I was hoping to tell you about SM. Essentially, I was hoping she would roleclaim bulletproof, for two reasons. (1) It's unlikely that there are two townie one-shot bulletproofs, so if I counter-claimed, we would catch her in a (probable) lie. (2) On February 18th, when we'd had no deaths the night before, I assumed that possibly two different parties had attempted to lynch me. I private messaged Kevin and asked him if, in the event multiple parties attempted to kill me, my bulletproof power would block both. He said the following (we have rules against quoting role PMs, but not other PMs like this one:) You are totally bulletproof against the Mafia proper and vigilantes. Werewolves and serial killers can kill you at night. In other words, bulletproof doesn't help you against werewolves. But if SM didn't know that, she might have claimed a bulletproof power, in which case I'd have been doubly suspicious of her. In this small way, even though I have minimal information as a bulletproof, I thought I could help the town. So go ahead and lynch me if you wish. It's not that big a deal to me. I'll still win if the town wins, which we probably will either way I think. I was hoping to avoid this because if we do have a doctor in play it's now obvious to the werewolves who it is, and also they know not to bother targeting me at night because I have a useless power. If I do get lynched though, look at the people who tried to direct the lynch away from Lach and onto me. I'm prepared to bet that one of either Lach or LS is ww. Are you sure you're one shot bulletproof townie? Sorry I am not buying it and think you're lying about your role. In the same vein, I don't appreciate why you are trying to divert attention onto me again. Just couple of posts ago, you were trying to retract from your suspicion against me. Also as far as I remember, before today you never once directed your suspicion against me. But as soon as you smelt that I am going to be the lynch candidate today, you jumped your gun on me and retracted as soon as I called you out on that (granted you didnt unvote me). Now again pointing your FoS on me. So what is it Kitkat? If you believe I am scum why dont you give me your reasons? Dont tell me you're also suspecting me because I didnt role claim which you were guilty of too until now.

Oh yeah LS too has not revealed his name I think. Brewers will you be able to contact him so that he shows up? I think he has been gone for not sure how long but it seems to be ages. Can we get him replaced? If he cannot show up anytime soon either replace him or lynch him.

OK so SM also revealed her name. So who's left now? Brewers? What about you Canik? I am sorry if you claimed name and I somehow missed it. Let's get this over with soon so that we can move on.

​I don't understand the resistence to name-claiming. And the more resistence there is the more I'm going to think I'm onto something. Don't think you're onto anything but to be clear I am not resisting. I just find this whole exercise futile. My character name is Commander Larma D'Acy. I am on my mobile so will address the other points soon, once I am back in front of laptop.

I am at 4 votes FYI. Kitkat didn't unvote me. So I am still wondering why those 2 ww didn't hammer me yet. Either one or both of them are already on my wagon or they're currently on the not voting crowd and doesn't want to show their hands by hammering me and ending the day early. Don't understand Canik's insistence on name claiming. If it was that easy to find out who is scum by names then Kevin wouldn't have allowed mass name claiming imo. Agree with TW on this, either scum has been given fake names or good guy names can be scum as well. Also I kinda agree with Kitkat on role claiming, even though I think he is shifty af. Forcing role claiming got Yehom killed. A town jailkeeper shouldn't have come forward unless he can pinpoint scum and get him lynched. Now you guys want the possible doctor to come forward too, endangering his life? He might not exist but if he does it will be stupid to claim.

Still waiting for the answer to my questions. Also @Samus, you previously thought SM was scum and go as far as to try to night kill her (according to you). Here also you say she is responding as a nervous scum but just like that you switch your vote to me without anything to add from your end. So it doesn't take much effort to swing your views one way or the other. Also I am finding it extremely laughable how AbT posts 3 questions to SM and after one post immediately clears her, without any of his questions actually being answered.

So it has been 5-6 days since I am back in country after a month long harrowing trip in a different continent. It had been work related so I rarely got any time to have fun. I was extremely tired after coming back and also had some pending office work to finish. Now I can finally devote more time here. I am reading through the thread to catch up since my last visit here, but looking at the eagerness to lynch me, I should consider myself lucky if I am not hammered by the time I am able to finish reading back and post more of my thoughts. I think my last post here was royally ignored https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-6/?p=940847 Also Doctor not protecting jail keeper makes me think either of the following could have happened: 1) Doctor himself was role blocked, possibly by werewolf roleblocker or Yehom jailed him. 2) There's no doctor. Anyways I am not lying about being out of country for a month, IRON members can check the Gone Fishing thread. My activity dropped across the board, not only here. Still I tried to post whenever I got the chance, but apparently asking to look at people who RCed but cannot be verified or absolutely not contributing anything otherwise, is considered distracting town. Yehom agreed too with me on that but I bet you wont consider he was distracting town too. Or our opportunist player named Kitkat who was agreeing with me on the same while ago, but somehow is onboard with TW's (same as AbT's) list and doesn't waste time or his brain cells before jumping on me. So TW and AbT, if now I am back and can spend more time here, will you consider moving me up on the list and push down at least another "MIA" player LS below me? Or do you want me to RC just for the sake of it, even though it wont help town AT ALL and probably cant be verified? Also other than my activity, I would like to know what incriminating evidence you have that I am scum that you all are wasting no time putting me at L-2, 7 days before deadline, with the full knowledge that there are 2 ww left and they can hammer me anytime they want and end the day prematurely? Whats the plan then when I flip town? My wagon analysis wont give you any clue either as you guys started it.

I am going to be AWOL for next 2 days with no internet connectivity. So before I go I just wanted to quickly drop in my thoughts. There will be still couple of days before deadline for me to post so I will still have time to post more of my thoughts later, possibly with more information. Looking closely at Yehom's RC, it seems very believable to me. Rhizo said he was blocked both last night and on N2 from his tracking, so Yehom did block him. Now we dont know whether Yehom blocked mafia's kill as well, as iSoc could've been doing the kill. So there's still mystery why 3 kills took place and whether Yehom or our supposed doctor saved a kill. N3 is even more shrouded in mystery. First of all Samus, who votes for CoD during the day, claims a lucky shot on MK at night, claims nurse the following day, and supposedly gets saved from possible 2 scum attacks on him (Rhizo said he targeted Rafay). If Samus did get saved by Yehom, isn't it strange and funny that Samus fake claimed to get out of scum's radar but in turn scum said "Screw it lets target him anyways"? . Now it is possible that other kill was saved by doctor or Yehom stopped the WW kill by blocking Samus. I have said it before that if Samus is indeed ww, he is unlikely to be PGO. Infact he may not be 1 shot anything, just wants to use AbT's PR to confirm himself town, like it was done with Robert, and use ww faction kill on his intended vig targeted. Ofcourse I am not exactly sure that Samus is scum or not, but due to so much of inconsistencies in his play, it does make it hard to believe him atm. Also glad someone else thinks Jazzy should be on our suspects list. And now with Yehom coming out, he becomes a viable target for ww as he may be the reason that we have such advantageous position. So I believe either doctor should protect him or Yehom has to block the ww kill. Unfortunately I think he cant use his power on himself, so he has to find out likely scum and block him.

I have been extremely busy recently, being out of country for a while, so my activity has been all over the place. Having said that I am surprised I have been categorized as "unhelpful" to town. If I couldn't catch scum or prove someone town, then you're right I was not successful in that regard but then again I have tried to provide my thoughts and analysis whenever I could. I will post more on the current situation a bit later when I have time, but as I have warned before, be very careful in labelling someone town and only hunting those whose alignment are unknown. There maybe a reason why some of the "unknowns" are not coming forward with their roles, which to me seems like the only way to prove oneself town. I can totally understand why AbT's lynch list targets people who have not RCed, but keep in mind if you stop pressurizing the ones who did reveal information by RCing or who RCed just for the sake of it. Just an example - Jazzy did reveal SK and also apparently cleared Canik, that was just because of her role and she got lucky with it. Keeping that aside, do you see any difference between Rafay and her gameplay? I guess if you're town you should be participating much more than what she has done.

Less kill = 1 step closer to victory. Good news for us, whatever stopped the 2nd kill. Rhizo is the obvious choice of lynch today, though I am not placing the vote so that discussions continue. I'm wondering that too, and assuming that both Rhizo and ww attempted kills they either targeted the same person or one was blocked/failed ​Wrong Place at the Wrong Time (Universal Miller) will do it. Which is what I roleclaimed so you should ​get a guilty result on me. If TW investigates he would get a guilty result too which would farther verify my claim. You did investigate me, right? Also this ^ If Canik was found guilty as SK last night then he's pretty much confirmed I guess we need TW to investigate him as guilty as well to confirm him town.

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