Antoine Roquentin

#winning

Gonna win.

Understandable. It's difficult to avoid responding, so think this was a wise decision.

Haven't really seen that in action ever and statements/recent actions by certain figures would give a very different impression. I'm not really privy to what base level members happen to be made aware of, but it doesn't seem to be a whole lot since the issue of membership not really being aware of the motivations of higher level figures seems to be a recurring theme. I keep hearing this from base level members when contradictory evidence exists. Along with that, given tS members who don't play CN are primarily recruited to play and join MI6, the denial of a link is kind of specious. It is entirely logical for someone to join a game and play with people they know and like. If you're sat on discord and people are discussing CN would you not go and join them where they play rather than joining. Ah yes, "play" by becoming a tech farm for Chimaera. Please. It is undeniable that tS's existence has benefited MI6 in CN. Even with that not being taken into account, you certainly have let in members who do not leave CN at the door and even go after people on a personal level for CN stuff. Considering we fund everyone's stuff to a certain level and usually spend more on the average new nation than we take in from them, this isn't really as weird as you're making it out to be. There are other programs within the alliance for people to make money and our members have been generous in terms of helping people get started with other money-making ventures if they're willing to be particularly active. Most of us who played P&W before NPO came over have been willing to make sacrifices to grow the rest and the 100% tax rate affects us the most consequently. Most alliances have standard builds, so this isn't unique. I've listed other alliances if it's a deal breaker for some. A tech farm for chimera is no worse than being a mindless drone in PnW, buying what you're told to when you're told to with no choice over how to play the game. Roq, I've seen pointless arguments many times, but crying that some people overlap between two groups and those that previously didn't play one game are not playing another is just so horrifically inane I really don't even know where to begin to pull it apart. Well, if you don't want to bring CN to PnW whenever someone brings it up ask them to not. Personal politics is likely to transfer to some degree, as if you think someone it a cunt in one game you'll automatically assume they're a cunt somewhere else. It's just human nature. Choice is limited no matter where you are. Most alliances have certain requirements on what a nation is supposed to do even if there's greater flexibility. Many of us were in an alliance with much lower taxes(27%) and we still had rules we needed to follow so no one was able to do whatever they wanted with their nation or they wouldn't get loans or grants. Some of our members have taken initiative and made their own money and spent it how they wanted to. There is always opportunity for individual initiative within the system. The characterization of our members as drones is really inaccurate.The point of standardized builds and such is to take the work out of everything rather to impose control. It's really not inane when people deny a connection between two alliances. If an alliance has a large chunk of its membership and gov derived from an alliance in one game and members are also recruited to the initial game, there's nothing else to really think. That's not really how it works. These people are pretty adamant about carrying their issues over. You can say human nature, but it's supposedly supposed to be left at the door. When a fundamentally anti-CN alliances I don't like /CN people I don't like/ tone seems to be coming from somewhere and it's reflected in actions, it's not going to be ignored.

Well, while we prefer you join us, DEIC(Grayshadow is in it), UPN(Aenir), VE(Aristotle is in IRON), Alpha(since you like NG), are all cool destinations. realistically, this community is already so big, it will never be banded together into any other community that doesn't enhance the IRON community itself. If you want to get more IRON players playing the game, it will have to be under an IRON community, certainly not a NPO one. I mean, that's entirely up to you. As long as one doesn't exist, then we're presenting ourselves as an option. I mean, this wasn't really said when Blade was recruiting people to MI6/Sparta's PW alliance. Haven't really seen that in action ever and statements/recent actions by certain figures would give a very different impression. I'm not really privy to what base level members happen to be made aware of, but it doesn't seem to be a whole lot since the issue of membership not really being aware of the motivations of higher level figures seems to be a recurring theme. I keep hearing this from base level members when contradictory evidence exists. Along with that, given tS members who don't play CN are primarily recruited to play and join MI6, the denial of a link is kind of specious. It is entirely logical for someone to join a game and play with people they know and like. If you're sat on discord and people are discussing CN would you not go and join them where they play rather than joining. Ah yes, "play" by becoming a tech farm for Chimaera. Please. It is undeniable that tS's existence has benefited MI6 in CN. Even with that not being taken into account, you certainly have let in members who do not leave CN at the door and even go after people on a personal level for CN stuff. Considering we fund everyone's stuff to a certain level and usually spend more on the average new nation than we take in from them, this isn't really as weird as you're making it out to be. There are other programs within the alliance for people to make money and our members have been generous in terms of helping people get started with other money-making ventures if they're willing to be particularly active. Most of us who played P&W before NPO came over have been willing to make sacrifices to grow the rest and the 100% tax rate affects us the most consequently. Most alliances have standard builds, so this isn't unique. I've listed other alliances if it's a deal breaker for some.

Well, while we prefer you join us, DEIC(Grayshadow is in it), UPN(Aenir), VE(Aristotle is in IRON), Alpha(since you like NG), are all cool destinations.

Haven't really seen that in action ever and statements/recent actions by certain figures would give a very different impression. I'm not really privy to what base level members happen to be made aware of, but it doesn't seem to be a whole lot since the issue of membership not really being aware of the motivations of higher level figures seems to be a recurring theme. I keep hearing this from base level members when contradictory evidence exists. Along with that, given tS members who don't play CN are primarily recruited to play and join MI6, the denial of a link is kind of specious.

MI6 and Sparta*

IRON is a great community and we would love to have more of you on board. Most of our members are from CN NPO, but we have contingents from other Oculus alliances. VE has been around for a long time, but other than them and possibly Alpha, NPO has been the destination for Oculus gov. Grudges from CN seem to be carried over so we ideally would like people we are close with in CN to be close there with us too in terms of their chosen destination. Otherwise, they might end up helping someone get their revenge for things that happened in CN. The current war has been very telling in this regard. We're currently at war, but for newer players, it won't affect them much. We are fighting against people who have been around for a lot longer and were attacked 2:1 early on, so our results haven't been pretty. The war mechanics favor the attacker so if you have an initial advantage and a statistical advantage, it's almost impossible for someone to fight back. These are changing, however. The NPO in CN and other worlds has been through difficult times that were a lot harsher like the terms imposed in several conflicts, so as an organization we have shown an ability to bounce back and overcome. Personally, I spent most of my time as anti-NPO in CN and had had a hand in a lot of conflicts that were targeted at them and I was always impressed by their ability to come back after a loss and become the #1 alliance again. They were able to outlast any political climate. Most people who opposed them simply did not have the ability to keep it up and NPO was able to overcome years of adversity. Our iteration of NPO has the same potential.

So glad I didn't test my weak powers on iSoc now.

Are you referring to Ojiras Ajeridas?

Glad to have been able to win my first mafia game, albeit mainly due to people not picking up on my slip-up.

Yep, that's what I found as well. So iSoc is scum. but he also watched roq last night and got nothing. Roq can you confirmed that you did nothing last night. Also have you only used your NA on mandi once? I did something. Got it in last minute though. Vote iSoc.

I mean that would have been cool especially if it had avoided IRONers hitting us, lol.

MK? you mean me?xD Mushroom in P&W? R2V is in P&W.lol. i vote for setting up IRON in P&W Mushroom Kingdom not you.