Antoine Roquentin

Mask me. Mask me.

Damn conflicted here. Could die either way. I'll decide what to do post lynch.

So are we still waiting on FB to talk or should I go for it?

Yes, I targeted Mandarijn.

If Mandarijn is a cop, did he use his night action on anyone and find anything?

What is the usual ratio of scum to townie? If there were 19 people to start that would make the mafia over 1/4th of the players.

What do you mean you didn't die when you protected him. I don't think protecting a scum would cause a town doctor to die if that is what your suggesting. Also Rhiz dodge the two previous days, it would only be time that he would be lynched. Scum might vote for their own, but it would be all. It also wouldn't be early on. I'm a Weak town doctor, so if I target scum with protection I would die, so add Mandarijn to that list.

Confirmed Town: Canik(since I didn't die when I used protect on him), me We could safely assume most Rhizo voters were town since the Mafia likely wouldn't vote for the godfather.

No idea You have to ask TW that, he probably decided to do it that way? Think of how it could result like that or you'd be the top scum on the list today @Mod: If a Role Cop targets Godfather, will it result as 'Vanilla' or 'Godfather'? I'll also add that the reason Yehom's post look scummy is because AbT's statement is before the claim of doctor role by Roq, clear nitpicking And so early in the day? Unless you have infos from last night to back your statement that was so scummy I looked it up in a mafia wiki and that's why it happened most likely. The Mafia Godfather can give a false read to a cop. Looks like I fucked up with my protect action again since I picked Mandarijn instead of Ali. Thought they would pick Mandarijn if I picked Ali. Ali seemed too obvious.

Yeah, I'm going to try read through some past games more. The theorycrafting is entertaining just haven't pieced together too much to make my own. The IRC versions of this/werewolf are so much simpler.

N1: Imran, N2 and N3: Canik. In retrospect, I would have just gone with Imran every night. Yeah, I just meant since I haven't been much of a help to my faction that I was sorry for maybe enabling the scum to win.

First one of the wagons was a town player, the second was on a player that we still don't know. My vote at the time was a unknown player. It was base on his tactic of discrediting everyone and pushing hard for lynches. Wasn't out of the blue as you may like to think of it. The second one, I'm going to let you rephrase it. Because, in my book, calling someone a cop is not a scummy move. As I remember other people were already hinting at it, and he already made a statement along the lines. If I was scum, I wouldn't shout out a town role before it was know to everyone else. I would wait for the night and tell my buds. I also wouldn't shout it out if I was town either. You may want to look back, or this one, and start finding other post by me to find things you want to turn into skewed reasoning. Because the one you got right now ain't enough. This isn't a call out, I mean no hostilities, but I wouldn't even support someone, who was accusing you of this. I don't want to throw baseless accusation, that's why I've said "I can't remember now but I'll check it". I've checked it now and there's nothing that would mark you as a scum in that particular case of KH's presumed cop role. Anyway your (and our by extension) problem is that you don't care about the town. You've just taken the spot and are sliding through the game, which is very lazy and destructive for the town (in one word "scummy"). I'd really like to lynch you just for that. That being said I've feeling you're just a town that don't care. It's just a feeling and it's based on this: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/page-18?do=findComment&comment=852586 Specifically that second last sentence. Now to Mandarjin post - great to see those bandwagon pictures putted together. My thoughts are as follow: Rhizo - It's no contest for me. His actions are scummier with every passing day. I'd be extremely surprised should he turn out town. Canik - Still don't know, but if Rhizo turns out scum, Canik will be likely to be a town. iSoc - I've feeling he's town, but honestly speaking he's been useless for the town. Also if Roq is a scum then iSoc can't be. AbT - If I were a scum and Rhizo were a scum I wouldn't push for lynching him. If I were a scum and Rhizo was town I'd not push so hard and put myself in the spotlight (I wouldn't really give a f... who get's lynched: d3mon or Rhizo). If that's not enough for you, then if Rhizo turns out to be a scum then I think it'll be enough proof I'm a town. Avater - Might be a scum based on his actions on D2. He was much better target to go for instead of Kazio or d3mon on previous days. Finster - He just agrees for the entire game with this or that guy to have an excuse for jumping on the wagon. But maybe that's how he plays. KevinH - meh Lyner - shady person , but I think he's townie due to D2 voting. It looked like scums didn't want to hammer the vote due to being in comfortable position with 2 townies being accused (this changed on D3 as we've seen). Mandarjin - nothing to add Rafay - always scummy, useless for the town. I can't really grasp why he's allowed to live past D1 . I'll probably jump on a bandwagon if he's voted. Robert - you can just guess who he is, though we've already used up our wild guess chances. Roq - Scum in my book after D3. He had a chance to change game on D3 but didn't took the effort to even consider it. Confirmed scum after his last post, where he explains that he'll go after Mandarjins choice for iSoc because it's safer than lynching Rhizo (which ironically is contrary to what Mandarjin's said in his last post). Safer for whom? Not for town, I dare to say. Lynching him will somewhat prove iSoc innocence. Yehom - Made some very weird arguments on why he think lynching d3mon is better than lynching Rhizo. Hasn't been much of use to the town. My course of action would be to: - Lynch Rhizo today. - Lynch Roq tomorrow. - In the meantime press Finster, Rafay and Yehom to the wall. Press them hard even forcing them to role claim. They can all be cops or doctors for all I care. Did they save anyone so far? Have they used their knowledge for the benefit of the town? NOPE. It's D4 so if they've not told us or did anything useful why expect them to do it on N4/N5 (if we live that long)? We're in a critical moment where a misstep will result in a lost game. That means we are in dire need to confirm townies and hiding roles at any price does not help. We need to get as much data as possible about those 3. They've been no help to the town and I want to squeeze all the information from them we can get, so that we can safely lynch them when we catch them on lying, or confirm as town and move onto the yellow guys. I was referring to why I went with Mandarijn's original choice, not referring to his last post. Since Rhizo is getting lynched either way, I don't see a need to change my vote. I would say some of the people on the previous inactive bandwagons were scum and used their night kills on active scum hunters. If I'm going to keep getting accused of being scum, then I'm going to role claim. I'm a doctor. I misused my night action the last time, which I alluded to when I saw Imran was town and got killed off. If I get lynched, you'll see that. I might get killed tonight too. In the end, I'm sorry, I've just been a shitty player and have had difficulty getting acclimated here.

Grayshadow is worth a 1000 members by himself. Join DEIC then. I didn't mean to dispute your assertion. Just he isn't gov.. We usually invest more in people than is given by them and the building is planned so we have people in similar ranges because it's been the most effective way to defend ourselves. If you want a less structured set up that gives people more freedom in terms of what to do with their nation, VE has low taxes and would be my recommendation. Another recommendation would be UPN since Aenir is there and gov. If you don't want end up in wars like the one tS is in against NG currently, then VE or UPN would be great choices and are both mass alliances. If you want a smaller alliance feel, DEIC seems like a good choice too. I'm not making a pronouncement on whether it's good or not but BK and their bloc are heavily tied to tS as James said so in almost any scenario you will be going to war in support of them against people like Alpha(NG). I personally like BK and they're generally cool guys despite Strum and Yosodog's CN affiliations. I can sympathize with James' position that he doesn't like people from here being recruited to fight his alliance.

NPO has members from Umbrella, Sengoku, GLoF, one FTW, and one IRON guy in addition to the NPO people. We would love to have more active members from IRON rather than them going elsewhere. If you join P&W and pick another alliance, we'll always leave a light on for you. DEIC has Grayshadow though, but no other current IRON members that I know of. We're also allied to VE and Alpha(lots of NG members), so those could be good destinations as well. Alpha lets less people in though. The best chance you have of not fighting NGers and such is to join one of the three.

Honestly, I messed up by going with inactive lynching so I thought it'd be safer to go with Mandarijn's choice rather than lynch a vanilla in Rhizo. I'm town as can be. iSocialism also voted for Imran who ended up being town and was killed by scum.

Mandarijn's reasoning seems the best we have. Vote: iSocialism

Yeah, I fess up and say I made a bad judgement on these. I'm not going to go with what seems safe(lynching inactives). It's my first game where I actually played so this was a mistake, but like Kevin said, we didn't have much to go on. Sorry to Imran since he was trying very hard. Should have prevented him getting sniped by scum.

It'd be interesting for two to get lynched.

I didn't get pinged but I've been reading. It's hard to choose between Rhizo and Canik since there seems to be an equal amount of suspicion and both have groups of people making good points against them. Vote d3mon. I'd rather narrow it down based on people who don't vote.

Yeah, idk, kind of at a loss now. Was hoping Kaziocore was avoiding posting to hide scumminess but evidently was wrong. KH dying doesn't help either. If we're looking at the Lyner lynchers, maybe it's one of the non-canik ones.

It would be a bad idea to vote for me. Kaziocore is far more suspicious. Lyner is always scum apparently, so this time he might not be.

I was reading previous games and activity seems to be something people go on. Kaziocore has been posting less frequently than others but seems like he'd post more normally. If i'm a breaking rule let me know, but I don't think I am. Unvote Vote: Kaziocore

I'll play, but idk about the in-depth analysis part. Still new to this, so the meta-discussion is kind of going at a million miles per second for me. No vote for this one given the issues for this one.

Vote Samus(joining the bandwagon)

So can I vote or no? Edited for clarification purposes.