"Hm.." Godfather Tony sat back in his super-secret IRONTown Mafia Hideout in the back room of a small bar in the middle of the town. The door opened and a drunk resident of the town staggered in.

"Go away!"

"This isn't the bathroom?"

"No!"

"Oh. Sorry."

The door closed again.

 

"Now, where was I?" Tony glanced at the assembled Mafioso gathered round him.

"You were saying about your success, boss..." One of them piped up, taking a drag at a cigar that was being passed around the group.

"Yes, I was! But that was the PAST! We have to move ON!" Tony stood up, looking round his goons thoughtfully.

"We've won once, and we can do it again! But now where...?"

Suggestions came thick and fast. The most popular suggestion seemed to be the bank - less for the money and more because everyone wanted to be the one who used the explosives on the vault door.

 

In the midst of the babbling of excitement, Godfather Tony cleared his throat.

"I'm hungry. We're TAKING THE CAFÉ!"

 

Silence fell.

"Uh... the Café, boss?"

"Yes, dammit! You, and you! With me! Let's go! NOW!"

 

And so it was decided.

 

TMCWPTI #3

The Mafia Choose Weird Places to Invade #3

 

 

Still Alive:

d3mon

Preston

ccabal86

KevinH

Kaziocore

Nerau

BeeBs

 

Definitely Not Still Alive:

CanucksDynasty, Customer

Tracker, Coffee Boy

Angel Cruz dela Sant, Customer

Fighting Okra, Cleaner AKA One-use roleblocker

I know for sure one townie (me).

I know for sure one player that is voting for a townie.

 

Vote: BeeBs

As for KevinH's vote on me, it think it just keeps with his current pattern of inconsistency. No cop has indicated any scummyness on my part. In fact, I don't think it has even been alleged. However, I find myself voted on without any merit from KevinH. His justification, for obvious reasons I think, is garbage. It is nothing more than a shallow retaliatory vote. It does little more than bolster my previous claims on his inability to follow his own directions concerning on what grounds we make a vote. Seeing as no one else has said much on the subject I'll leave it at that. My vote on him will stand for the time being.

So an OMGUS vote makes me suspicious? Scum-tell.

KevinH: Says it isnt him today, voted Angel yesterday immediately after voting for ccabal86. Still not sure what ccabal did that was a scum-tell, nor why it hasnt been raised/mentioned since.

 

As for whom I suspect the most thus far, relevant bits for people to respond to are as follows:

1. KevinH did his rapid re-vote onto Angel after voting for ccabal and claiming there was a scumtell that hasnt been mentioned today; per above, please elaborate on this Kevin?

...

I guess I'll say I suspect Kevin pending his explanation of the ccabal thing.

 

I was trying to say that the scum-tell was from BeeBs for making an argument against me when I had placed a retaliatory vote on him and said as much.

 

The ccabal vote was because he had asked for replacement.

The Angel vote was because deadline was approaching and I felt we needed to roll the dice and lynch someone.

I was trying to say that the scum-tell was from BeeBs for making an argument against me when I had placed a retaliatory vote on him and said as much.

 

The ccabal vote was because he had asked for replacement.

The Angel vote was because deadline was approaching and I felt we needed to roll the dice and lynch someone.

Interesting. I completely missed that your 'scum-tell' was referring to BeeBs - due to the timing of the posts after ccabal asked for a replacement, I figured the "OMGUS" was somehow referring to ccabal - thats not an acronym I commonly see or use.

 

I'm not 100% on that being a scum-tell - maybe I'm missing something but it seems a little thin to stand on its own - but I can see what you're referring to and it merits going back and taking a look at him at least.

That said - when you shifted your vote to ccabal, did you do this because you felt ccabal's action was more suspicious than the scumtell you describe? If you felt this was a strong scumtell, I'm curious why you didn't reiterate it at the start of the day.

 

Still, you have now answered my question about what the scum-tell was, which feels somewhat like a point in your favor. I cannot assume your towniness - your analysis and indeed the scum-tell statement itself could be a diversion - but at minimum you have stated a position. You are still a suspect along with the other three who voted for Angel, but you don't stick out quite as much now.

 

We need more information, which means more discussion. We havent heard from Nerau yet today - our only known townie. I'd like to hear his thoughts, plus those of anyone who hasnt posted yet today.

 

-Preston

Think it was Preston that said I have been quiet since I first posted about voting for Angel. I agree, I have been. I gave my explanation for voting for Angel, and have just been reading the comments since, hoping some kind of info would be shared to figure out who is Mafia. Nothing really has come up, atleast in my opinion.

 

So, I'm kind of suspecting KevinH, D3mon, and Kaziocore right now becasue they all voted for Angel, and I know I'm a townie! My main suspect is KevinH atm, becasue of the way he quickly changed his vote to Angel at the end, although he did explain why. I'm just not sure if I believe it!

@KevinH: You're welcome to call that a scum tell if you believe that to be an indicator. Although I disagree that it is a scum tell and that therefore I am scum, you're welcome to pursue that as such as long as you are in this game. I'll try and explain my reasoning a bit more there, it might help clear up my reasoning for others or if I'm lucky even you.

 

My earlier post in which I regarded KevinH's justification on me as "garbage" was because his reasoning was quite shallow. It went something like this, "I am a townie and you are voting for me, so I at least know you are scum." ( I should have quoted it, but I started a quick reply and am lazy right now. He quoted it himself in his previous post.) For the first part, "I am a townie" is a claim we are all making consistently. This is not evidence nor proof, it is simply a statement that everyone in this game is currently making. There is no way for anyone else to certify this, unless by way of some other confirmed power role that absolves you, therefore, in my eyes, it is shallow and should not stand as a proper premise to a vote. "You are voting for me", true. However, no more than a retaliatory vote demonstrates scuminess does a considered reasoned and defended vote over multiple days demonstrate scuminess. We don't hold people accountable simply for voting, there has to be something beyond the mere fact that they voted, i.e. who the voted for, why they voted etc. In my case neither of those options, nor do I believe any others, have been satisfied. Lastly, "you are scum". With the premises to your claim unsatisfying, I can not see how you maintain that this makes me scum.I certainly have had a vote on you for multiple days now, however I believe it to be a thoughtful, careful and reasonable vote. If I am wrong, I will admit that I have made a mistake, but we know that even townies vote for other townies from time to time. We had four votes on Angel yesterday and probably don't have four scum. I'd have to check, but we wouldn't be having a day three if we had four scum? If we don't have four scum at least one townie voted for Angel. MIstakes don't make us scum either.

 

The full spectrum of my comment at that time was not that retaliatory votes should be considered scummy, but that the vote KevinH made on me fit with your pattern of shallow votes that were not backed up by a cop claim or other evidence. This wouldn't be as harmful to your case had it not been for your call wait for the cop or further proof on the first two days.

 

@Kaziocore: I believe I did that near the bottom of page 11. If you're interested, check there.

OMGUS: Oh My Gosh You Suck

 

Scum-tell: A small possible indicator that someone might be scum.

 

In no way was I claiming absolutely that I was sure somebody was scum.

In the absence of any other information, when somebody tries to twist somebody else's posts, that seems like something the scum would attempt.

 

For instance, "at least I know you are scum" is quite a stretch from "OMGUS" or "scum-tell."

 

FoS: BeeBs (except he didn't vote for Angel, so I don't think he's the best lynch candidate at the moment)

OMGUS: Oh My Gosh You Suck

 

Scum-tell: A small possible indicator that someone might be scum.

 

In no way was I claiming absolutely that I was sure somebody was scum.

In the absence of any other information, when somebody tries to twist somebody else's posts, that seems like something the scum would attempt.

 

For instance, "at least I know you are scum" is quite a stretch from "OMGUS" or "scum-tell."

 

FoS: BeeBs (except he didn't vote for Angel, so I don't think he's the best lynch candidate at the moment)

 

I agree that when someone twists someone else's posts in a malicious manner it indeed is a small possible indicator that someone might be scum, a.k.a the sort of scum tell you mentioned. It seems this is why you've FOS'd me. While I did not 100% accurately quote your post, I did to the best ability I had from memory and did attempt to direct people to the place where they could find the proper quotation of your post in the parenthetical of my previous post. I agree we should cast a FOS on those who twist peoples posts, but that honestly wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to clear the air, I was paraphrasing you and didn't mean to lie or mislead your own words in the slightest. I did my best to direct people where they could find the post verbatim if they so chose and I do not believe that my paraphrasing was so far off that it was malicious.

I agree that when someone twists someone else's posts in a malicious manner it indeed is a small possible indicator that someone might be scum, a.k.a the sort of scum tell you mentioned. It seems this is why you've FOS'd me. While I did not 100% accurately quote your post, I did to the best ability I had from memory and did attempt to direct people to the place where they could find the proper quotation of your post in the parenthetical of my previous post. I agree we should cast a FOS on those who twist peoples posts, but that honestly wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to clear the air, I was paraphrasing you and didn't mean to lie or mislead your own words in the slightest. I did my best to direct people where they could find the post verbatim if they so chose and I do not believe that my paraphrasing was so far off that it was malicious.

 

 

EDIT: Lesson learned, don't be so lazy not to use the quote button.

@Kaziocore: I believe I did that near the bottom of page 11. If you're interested, check there.

 

I'm waiting for ccabal86 and Nerau to post.

They should be prodded

 

------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Still Alive:

d3mon

Preston

ccabal86

KevinH

Kaziocore

Nerau

BeeBs

Fighting Okra

Angel Cruz dela Sant

 

Definitely Not Still Alive:

CanucksDynasty, Customer

Tracker Townie

 

There is a mistake here.

So we're in LYLO now with

5-3 (T-M) right now. It would

be best if you guys take note

of it.

I've seen d3mon reading the thread yesterday

but for some reason he refrained from posting...

Sorry i have a habit of reading and not posting

 

A couple of things mostly observations and have to check these so i maybe wrong

 

it seems to me those who voted for angel who were once somewhat working together have broke apart and started to attack each other parcular if you ask correct me if i am wrong

 

Though for the most part each reason that i have seen is justified

 

That is all i have right now let me do some back reading first i will comment futher

Hey there!

 

While I have more time these days, and I COULD come back into play if I wanted, doing this would be awfully suspicious of me, and could easily result in me being lynched. And since I gathered we're at LYLO, this would automatically result in a Town loss. Because of this, I'd rather not do it, and so I request for replacement again. I think it's better if someone with a clean slate comes in.

 

Mod: I request that I be replaced

His request for replacement could be the perfect cover when there are no replacements.

 

(Alternatively, maybe he just wants replacement.)

Lol, I really am asking for a replacement :-\

Hey there!

 

While I have more time these days, and I COULD come back into play if I wanted, doing this would be awfully suspicious of me, and could easily result in me being lynched. And since I gathered we're at LYLO, this would automatically result in a Town loss. Because of this, I'd rather not do it, and so I request for replacement again. I think it's better if someone with a clean slate comes in.

 

Mod: I request that I be replaced

 

I really can't give a free pass to somebody that comes in as a replacement. If ccabal86 is deserving of a lynch, then the replacement should be, too.

 

There is no clean slate.

 

d3mon, Kaziocore, and Fighting Okra were my top choices only because of the vote on Angel. Scum would want to lynch if they could so it's possible they were in on the vote.

 

However, I believed it was in the town's best interest to take a chance and lynch somebody rather than no-lynch. Scum would be better served to sit back and let the townies lynch each other. I am no longer convinced we should pick one of d3mon, Kaziocore, or Fighting Okra for the lynch.

Scum-tell: A small possible indicator that someone might be scum.

 

In no way was I claiming absolutely that I was sure somebody was scum.

In the absence of any other information, when somebody tries to twist somebody else's posts, that seems like something the scum would attempt.

 

For instance, "at least I know you are scum" is quite a stretch from "OMGUS" or "scum-tell."

 

FoS: BeeBs (except he didn't vote for Angel, so I don't think he's the best lynch candidate at the moment)

My prior understanding had been that "scum-tell" was far stronger of a term - i.e. an action that all but made you certain someone is scum. This difference in weight does explain your prior actions to an extent.

 

I agree that when someone twists someone else's posts in a malicious manner it indeed is a small possible indicator that someone might be scum, a.k.a the sort of scum tell you mentioned. It seems this is why you've FOS'd me. While I did not 100% accurately quote your post, I did to the best ability I had from memory and did attempt to direct people to the place where they could find the proper quotation of your post in the parenthetical of my previous post. I agree we should cast a FOS on those who twist peoples posts, but that honestly wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to clear the air, I was paraphrasing you and didn't mean to lie or mislead your own words in the slightest. I did my best to direct people where they could find the post verbatim if they so chose and I do not believe that my paraphrasing was so far off that it was malicious.

It's not uncommon in this game that people grasp at straws and try to find subtle meaning in posts that may otherwise not actually mean anything. However at present your suspicion of KevinH (and his of you) is another factor to consider in evaluating those who voted for angel.

 

There is a mistake here.

So we're in LYLO now with

5-3 (T-M) right now. It would

be best if you guys take note

of it.

This day has already been recognized as LYLO. If we still have a doc there is a SLIM chance we could survive the night if we fail today's lynch, but I would not count on that safety net.

 

Sorry i have a habit of reading and not posting

 

A couple of things mostly observations and have to check these so i maybe wrong

 

it seems to me those who voted for angel who were once somewhat working together have broke apart and started to attack each other parcular if you ask correct me if i am wrong

 

Though for the most part each reason that i have seen is justified

 

That is all i have right now let me do some back reading first i will comment futher

I know it takes time to read and come up with something substantial to respond with, but as our only known townie your voice is going to carry some weight today. Please take your time, but we need your input.

 

As for your observation, d3mon and Kaziocore are definitely taking shots at each other; KevinH and Okra are just saying "not me". It's not surprising that four suspects would feud amongst themselves today - but if some of them were previously working together then that may be worth examining.

 

Hey there!

 

While I have more time these days, and I COULD come back into play if I wanted, doing this would be awfully suspicious of me, and could easily result in me being lynched. And since I gathered we're at LYLO, this would automatically result in a Town loss. Because of this, I'd rather not do it, and so I request for replacement again. I think it's better if someone with a clean slate comes in.

 

Mod: I request that I be replaced

I would honestly prefer you yourself kept playing ccabal - being replaced would not remove any suspicion from your replacement, similar to how Narsis' day 1 list followed his replacement last game.

 

Also, we seem to have had quite a few replacements this game... sheesh. Must be that time of year when everyone is out of it.

 

(Manually quoting FightingOkra's post since I forgot to multiquote it and I dont want to start this post over again!)

Think it was Preston that said I have been quiet since I first posted about voting for Angel. I agree, I have been. I gave my explanation for voting for Angel, and have just been reading the comments since, hoping some kind of info would be shared to figure out who is Mafia. Nothing really has come up, atleast in my opinion.

 

So, I'm kind of suspecting KevinH, D3mon, and Kaziocore right now becasue they all voted for Angel, and I know I'm a townie! My main suspect is KevinH atm, becasue of the way he quickly changed his vote to Angel at the end, although he did explain why. I'm just not sure if I believe it!

That was indeed my post. And while I dont exactly disagree with your three suspects... you've just listed all those other than yourself. However you've also singled out KevinH and given a reason - this is good to know.

 

I'm not sure what to think at present. I was initially more suspecting KevinH due to how many different people he voted for yesterday (last being a bandwagon), not mentioning the scum-tell from today until prompted, and the fact that scum didnt kill him last night and instead took out Tracker - a choice that still makes no sense to me. However he has been forthcoming with explaining the scumtell issue, and generally hasnt acted as suspiciously so far today... so I'm still looking for something solid to hang my suspicions on for one of those four.

 

-Preston

It would not matter actually if KevinH voted Angel or not as

Angel already has the required amount of votes to be lynched.

 

I would like to ask Preston why he didn't vote someone.

ccabal86 and Nerau are probably inactive.

EDIT: Lesson learned, don't be so lazy not to use the quote button.

 

It happens with the quote button, too!

 

Well-meaning townies are always reading too much into non-scum posts, too.

It happens with the quote button, too!

 

Well-meaning townies are always reading too much into non-scum posts, too.

 

I'll take this as an opportunity to move on. As I said, I'm still interested in looking at those who killed Tracker.

 

@KevinH: On a different note, could you explain why you still think there is a cop out there? Maybe that can move us towards finding out who it is.

 

Can we get some discussion going on if there is a cop out there that they should role claim? At this point if we mis lynch we loose, so if they have something confirmed wouldn't it be the best case that they reveal that information? Or maybe wait and see if we're about to lynch someone they know to be townie to reveal themselves at that point? Just a little guidance or discussion so we can help use the Cop tool to our most advantageous position. If it doesn't benefit us, we should discuss that to. I'm not so much taking a position here as advocating that we should discuss if we can use this tool, or if we think there is even a cop out there at all.

 

 

Now then, these are some collected posts from Day 1. Fighting Okra's post is a little less interesting but, looking back Kaziocore and D3mon, regardless of who said what first, have had there eye on killing our two dead townies since day one. While for my own sake I would like to be able to use longevity of conviction as a defense if I would have been wrong about KevinH earlier, at this point if I'm wrong we loose anyway. My point here is that we have had constant suspicion from these two and they have been wrong twice, yet they led our lynching party. Even more to Nerau's point, D3mon even "agreed" with Kaziocore about it. Now they are bickering about who fault it is. Kaziocore, being more aggressive about it, seems more suspicious to me at this point. I still really don't have a read on D3mon, Kaziocore is particularly interested in shining the spotlight on him though. I think if Fighting Okra is scum he's just sort of being told where to go. He's certainly been out there and had votes in place to kill townies, but hasn't lead a charge really. Makes me think if he's mafia he's being pretty directed.

 

Well then, I think Angel is Mafia. Reason: Gut feeling! will wait for his response to make a decision.

 

 

CD advocating no-lynch..

I am not against it but I am a little surprised.

 

*adds CD to the list of suspects*

 

 

So FOS: CD

so you'll know I have my eyes on you

 

And a Vote: Tracker

for being inactive.

 

 

I agree with Kaziocore, lurkers are more likely to be scum.

 

ATM, I am leaning towards no lynch. Last round was ample proof that a lynch on Day 1 can be really bad for the town.

 

FOS : CD and Tracker

I've seen d3mon reading the thread yesterday

but for some reason he refrained from posting...

Ah.. srry bout tht.. I was kinda re-reading the whole thread and didn't have anything to add at that time.

 

Now, I believe that at least 1 scum voted for Angel and that means that either me, Kaziocore, FO or KevinH is scum..

 

Kaziocore : When FO and BeeBs were attacking KevinH, he tried to join the bandwagon.

 

Implicitly you're saying the cop should come out.

The cop could mistakenly have seen your post as a

signal to reveal himself especially if the cop is

inexperienced and don't know the right time

when to roleclaim. You should have clarified earlier

that he can use other means to reveal his investigation.

 

 

DAY 2 STARTS

DISCUSS WHY CD WAS KILLED

SOME ROLEPLAYING

KEVINH VOTED SOMEONE

DISCUSS WHO TO VOTE

 

I think that's what happened

 

but as soon as it seemed that the bandwagon against KevinH was not going to work, he backed off...

 

What makes you think I'll vote for KevinH??

Personally, I don't really suspect KevinH yet...

Its not a "scum tell" but I find it suspicious.

 

Also, he was the second to vote for Angel (bandwagon??)

 

FO : Has somehow managed to stay under the radar.. was the third to vote for Angel (HAMMER??)...

Made a strange observation regarding Tracker (another dead townie)...

 

I went and re-read every post, so I can hopefully contribute to this game. The underlined portion of Tracker's post makes me think he could be hinting that he has some kind of doctor role. I'm not 100% sure if that role exists in this game. Can someone clarify what a Doctor could do? I guess maybe revive someone that is night killed? Anyway, I'm pointing this out to discuss, as I think it might be some kind of info we might have missed. Maybe it was a way of hinting at a power role?

 

I was already kind of leaning towards voting for Angel, and the retalitory vote against d3mon seems a little unnecessary and reckless, so that makes me think he could be Mafia even more. I will hold off on voting for a day or 2 more. Also, someone was accusing KevinH of being inconsistent because he voted for a No-Lynch on D1, and then rather quickly voted for someone on D2. I also Voted for No-Lynch, and think we should vote someone today, but doing it so quickly after the night ended is a little suspicious. Why not wait for more information to possibly come, and risk being accused because you just randomly voted? It doesn't seem like a smart thing to do, unless you're Mafia, hoping people will just bandwagon on D3mon.

 

So KevinH is also a suspect in my eyes.

 

@FO, Is this the reason for killing Tracker? O_o

 

KevinH : His vote for Angel was mostly symbolic and I don't think that he would have done that if he was scum. IMHO, he is a townie.

Ccabal86, I would encourage you to keep playing for the reasons stated above. If you feel that you cannot commit to playing because of time constraints I will look to find you a replacement.

It would not matter actually if KevinH voted Angel or not as

Angel already has the required amount of votes to be lynched.

 

I would like to ask Preston why he didn't vote someone.

ccabal86 and Nerau are probably inactive.

Per my posts yesterday, I suspected Nerau and Tracker until Nerau was mod-proven to be town. I suspected Tracker enough to FoS him, but did not feel certain enough to place a vote - for good reason as it turns out, as he really WAS a townie trying to get reactions. I was ambivalent with respect to lynching Angel based on inactivity - I didn't mind it or find it overtly scummy but at the same time I didn't really have any suspicion to back up my vote to make voting for Angel anything more than a guess. As you've seen in previous games I tend to overthink my votes - I dont like throwing them down unless I feel there is a good chance the individual is scum. Neither Tracker nor Angel met that criteria.

 

@KevinH: Looks like you posted while I was posting my last post, because I dont remember seeing this one before.

I really can't give a free pass to somebody that comes in as a replacement. If ccabal86 is deserving of a lynch, then the replacement should be, too.

 

There is no clean slate.

 

d3mon, Kaziocore, and Fighting Okra were my top choices only because of the vote on Angel. Scum would want to lynch if they could so it's possible they were in on the vote.

 

However, I believed it was in the town's best interest to take a chance and lynch somebody rather than no-lynch. Scum would be better served to sit back and let the townies lynch each other. I am no longer convinced we should pick one of d3mon, Kaziocore, or Fighting Okra for the lynch.

I agree with your first statement - ccabal86 cant just give his role an out by being replaced. And you are restating your position about "taking a chance and lynch somebody rather than no-lynch" - fair enough, thats what you stated as your reason yesterday.

 

However I find it interesting that you are now changing your mind and trying to remove our "short list" of four suspects - which DOES still include yourself. This is a change in your previous position and I am curious what has brought it about. Do you have other target(s) in mind with enough suspicious activity to justify abandoning what seems to be the only solid piece of information we currently have?

 

Kaziocore : When FO and BeeBs were attacking KevinH, he tried to join the bandwagon.

 

but as soon as it seemed that the bandwagon against KevinH was not going to work, he backed off...

 

Its not a "scum tell" but I find it suspicious.

 

Also, he was the second to vote for Angel (bandwagon??)

 

FO : Has somehow managed to stay under the radar.. was the third to vote for Angel (HAMMER??)...

Made a strange observation regarding Tracker (another dead townie)...

 

@FO, Is this the reason for killing Tracker? O_o

 

KevinH : His vote for Angel was mostly symbolic and I don't think that he would have done that if he was scum. IMHO, he is a townie.

An interesting series of quotes - I had missed Kaziocore attacking KevinH. Recognizing the two as against each other means that as one appears more scum, the other appears more town in my analysis and vice versa.

 

Your opinion on Kevin's towniness is noted, though I am not yet prepared to give him a clean pass - Scum act as they would normally play, so you cannot always make generalizations about what they would or wouldnt do; I got to experience that from their side last game.

 

Ccabal86, I would encourage you to keep playing for the reasons stated above. If you feel that you cannot commit to playing because of time constraints I will look to find you a replacement.

Again, this - ccabal, keep playing if you have the time!

 

-Preston

Well you said ...

 

 

 

Implicitly you're saying the cop should come out.

The cop could mistakenly have seen your post as a

signal to reveal himself especially if the cop is

inexperienced and don't know the right time

when to roleclaim. You should have clarified earlier

that he can use other means to reveal his investigation.

 

 

 

DAY 2 STARTS

DISCUSS WHY CD WAS KILLED

SOME ROLEPLAYING

KEVINH VOTED SOMEONE

DISCUSS WHO TO VOTE

 

I think that's what happened

 

So I was joining the offensive bandwagon on KevinH for merely

answering his question?

 

As an active player I answered KevinH's question truthfully...

 

To the true townies:

 

Did I ever want the cop to reveal himself?

Did I wait or did I start discussion myself?

 

I didn't see you offering your opinion on this.

 

And you say bandwagon which is a very strong word.

You're saying I was just swayed by the single post

of Tracker who is answering KevinH's question to

answer?

 

In fact if you believe I was just joining in the bandwagon

to gang up on KevinH later (which you probably think is mafia)

I was actually the one who first posted this hypothetical situation

 

Well I'm thinking what if the added bonus of killing CD was

to put suspicion on d3mon who FOS both CD and Tracker.

 

The mafia could kill CD and in the next day start to make

a case against d3mon who incidentally posts sparingly

which makes him a nice target.

 

Well I don't know...

What do you guys think?

In fact if ever you're found to be scum d3mon,

the next possible scum would be KevinH.

Day 2 Vote count

...

(4) Angel Cruz dela Sant: d3mon, Kaziocore, Fighting Okra, KevinH

So we're in LYLO now with

5-3 (T-M) right now. It would be best if you guys take note of it.

 

If one of

{d3mon

Kaziocore

Fighting Okra

KevinH}

is scum,

and

{Nerau}

is proven town,

then two of

{Preston

ccabal86

BeeBs}

are scum.

 

That's why I don't feel inclined to limit myself to the "short list"

If one of

{d3mon

Kaziocore

Fighting Okra

KevinH}

is scum,

and

{Nerau}

is proven town,

then two of

{Preston

ccabal86

BeeBs}

are scum.

 

That's why I don't feel inclined to limit myself to the "short list"

 

One scum??

I bet there are two mafia members who voted Angel

If one of

{d3mon

Kaziocore

Fighting Okra

KevinH}

is scum,

and

{Nerau}

is proven town,

then two of

{Preston

ccabal86

BeeBs}

are scum.

 

That's why I don't feel inclined to limit myself to the "short list"

 

One scum??

I bet there are two mafia members who voted Angel

The simple truth is that we do not know how many scum are in the list that voted for Angel.

If it is only 1/4 as you suggest, then your looking at everyone else by elimination would indeed contain 2/3 scum.

If instead it is 2/4, then the remainder would be 1/3 scum, and so forth.

I obviously do not believe 3/4 scum voted for Angel.

 

I think I see where you are going with this: If we assume 1/4 scum voted for Angel, then we have a 2/3 chance of finding the remaining scum outside that list - therefore focus on those who did NOT vote for Angel for better odds. It's tempting... but my problem with that line of reasoning is that a) we dont know it's 1/4 for certain (and with inactivity levels weve seen this game, it could easily be 2/4 - scum trying to get SOME lynch), and it still involves throwing away the only demonstrable action we've seen - the vote that lynched a townie.

 

For those on the list we can examine the rationales they gave; for myself and the others who didnt vote for Angel, there's not much else you can do to follow up with them.

 

I previously asked if you had another target in mind that you suspected enough to change your tactics like this. By your elimination, your target outside of the list would have to be ccabal, BeeBs, or myself. You did not respond to that part of my previous post, so I ask you again: whom do you suspect?

 

For whom I suspect -

I am still watching KevinH due to his erratic voting yesterday - four different people over the course of the day, with his last vote being a quick swap - and due to this sudden shift in stance today that I do not entirely trust.

 

However - I find it interesting that Kaziocore is suggesting a link between d3mon and KevinH. d3mon did give KevinH more of a clean bill of health earlier. Based on the Kaziocore vs d3mon infighting earlier, I suspect the two of them are NOT on the same side; one is scum, one is not. Frankly... it may be the two of them we need to focus on now.

 

-Preston

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