Playing agressively as a townie came to bite me. So I've changed my strategy....nothing to feared except for the scum but EM is innocent. Still on my suspicion list are Kaz and CoD. They are playing their butts off..........!!!

If you wanted to change your playing style you should have announced it before this game even started.  Admitting you are acting differently after being called out for it does not make a strong defense.  I would rather you just told the truth and admitted you're scum.

I'll point out my reason for suspecting Xarastier to be scum. Though obviously this puts more faith in his abilities in the game then he probably warrants (no offense).

 

It would appear that he made a false role claim in the attempt to goad a townie to critique his role claim and tell him why he shouldn't have claimed/give so much info. He then has been pushing on trying to get that person lynched the whole time. This leads me to believe that he is scum, and his continued evasion of our questions only strengthens my belief. If he is town he should come forward and answer our questions now.

"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit

 

Vote count:

Xarastier (2): Lorikz Kain, Kaziocore

Chaplain of Death (1): Xarastier

Kaziocore (1): D3mon

Rafay (1): Electric Mango

 

No-Lynch (0):

 

Not voting (6): Noahband, Rafay, Chaplain of Death, Xx Karl xX, Alternate_Tree, Imran Ehsan

 

 

It is Day 2. Deadline is Friday, February 15, at 0600.

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.

OOC: I am on orders from the 9th through the 15th and won't be on much due to such. I'll do my best to get on whenever I can but no guarantee.

OOC: realized you might not understand what "on orders" meant. I am in the US Army Reserves, by on orders I'm referring to them giving me orders to report into work for the time and reason specified sorry for this taking place in the middle of a game but the army isn't easily turned down... If I need to be replaced I'll understand but It would make me a sad panda...

I dont believe xarastier has the ability to pull off an elaborate hoax of role claiming to be a townie power role while being a scum. So he is a townie. I also dont believe LK and EM would have role claimed to be masons if they were scum. So we have 3 townies. Of the remaining the following are looking suspicious to me:

 

d3mon - made an early vote on Kazio and then lying low

CoD - for his continued insistence on lynching a townie role

alternate_tree - continues his strategy of lying low and not really contributing to the scum hunting (admits he is waiting for others to make a move, typical scum strategy)

 

Others I am still undecided on. kazio looks townie but we have to remember he has loads of experience with this game and knows exactly how to act if he were scum.

 

So my vote for now:

 

Lynch: d3mon

 

If he comes by and explains his reasoning for his vote on Kazio I may reconsider the vote.

EM wat do u hav against my strategies???

 

"Where there's life there's hope."

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit

 

Vote count:

Xarastier (2): Lorikz Kain, Kaziocore

Chaplain of Death (1): Xarastier

Kaziocore (1): D3mon

Rafay (1): Electric Mango

D3mon (1): Imran Ehsan

 

No-Lynch (0):

 

Not voting (5): Noahband, Rafay, Chaplain of Death, Xx Karl xX, Alternate_Tree

 

 

It is Day 2. Deadline is Friday, February 15, at 0600.

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.

I am sorry for not posting but I am a member of Disaster Recovery team for my organization and was very busy prepping for Nemo. Unfortunately, since this wasn't a false alarm, I would continue to be busy with RL for the next 3-4 days.

 

Mod: If a replacement is available, please feel free to replace me.

 

Unvote

Not interested in a Rafay lynch right now as I think he's town and I found one suspicious player.

 

Ok, after looking through everything, here's some of my thoughts:

1. I think it's hard to tell at this point if EM and LK are telling the
truth. So for now i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume
what they're saying is true.

2. I don't understand why you guys are pushing for D3mon. From what i gather, this whole push
towards him started with kaz saying that him voting no-lynch was a bad
idea, and that's it. he really hasn't done anything that scummy.

3. Also, i don't know why everyone is clearing Xarastier as a for sure townie.
one of his first posts is a role-claim with some story i can't even make
sense of...it may be him adding RP, but it's confusing and really
doesn't add anything... Also, haven't you guys noticed that as soon as
he got cleared as town we haven't heard a thing from him? Little
suspicious right there.

4. Then there's Rafay. I know his style of play is a little wacky, but this game... just come on, he
really is being crazy in what he posts. Example: for some reason, he
thinks that Electric and Kaz are out to get him and are pushing for a
lynch on him when i don't think anyone has voted for him the entire game
except for Kaz's first random vote. So maybe Rafay is playing some
weird strategy or really does not understand what it happening around
him. Either of those two choices are very counter-productive to the town
and really just confuses everyone that reads his posts.

5. Also, most of you guys are clearing kaz of being scum just because he is
talking a lot and leading the conversation. Sure that can be a townie
actually scum hunting, or a scum trying to gain rep as town early when
it's easier so he can take control later in the game and influence the
next lynch easier.

6. I'm not necessarily accusing anyone
that i just listed as being scum, i'm just saying possible guys we may
need to look out for. However, i will vote to lynch the person i think
to be the most harmful to the town at this point, and with the reasons
stated above:

vote: Rafay

1. Reads to me that he still wants to instill doubt to those who think the two are scum.

2. Although I don't like to give associate tells before any flips, this looks to me
that Karl is defending/buddying d3mon when it's unnecessary. D3mon was never
in danger of getting lynched (in my opinion)

3,5. Scum doesn't like to reduce the scum pool or clear someone.
It gives them a lot of convenient choices.

4. Thinks Rafay could be the convenient lynch target for the day because of his play-style
(everyone knows that Rafay is always defensive regardless of his alignment).

What's interesting here is that he picked Rafay over Xarastier even though objectively
speaking, Xarastier's posts were more crazy. He was just a little suspicious with Xarastier

even though he posted reasons not to believe in Xarastier's claim. My guess is that

a Xarastier lynch will not get much support than a Rafay lynch.

 

6. Reads as being non-commitant... He's not saying they're scum but he says we should look after them.

Vote: Xx Karl xX

 

@Karl: Do tell us your reads. Who's likely scum, who's likely town, and who's still a null read.

MOD: Noahband needs to be prodded

Not to OMGUS or anything, but I that post just sounded a little scummy Imran.....

 

You see no problem with Rafay laying low but list that as your reason for Alternate (rafay is contributing even less than alternate imo)

You say that I'm continualy pushing a lynch on a townie role when I haven't voted for Xarastier today (who is most likely a false role claim), despite having every reason to.

       -He made a role claim and then said it was a lie.

       -He has disapeared anytime anyone ask's him anything.

       -He is continually pushing a lynch vote on someone who the town has generally agreed for the most part is town.

       -He has yet to give a reason for why I should be lynched but still pushes it as if his life depended on it.

 

So please Imran.... Do tell how any of that makes me scum? Tell me how any of that didnt just paint you as scum trying to throw us off of another scum? Please those of you who are townies, clean up your act so we can find the scum. I don't want the town to lose the game because you got yourself branded as scum.

 

I will still refrain from voting even though in my opinion that are at this moment 4 likely lynch targets until they sort out whats going on and explain themselves;

       -Xarastier

       -Rafay

       -Karl

       -Imran

 

Understand please what I have said about how you look scummy and try to give me a well thought out explanation as to why you did the things you did which make you look scummy. Any refusal to respond to this accusation should be taken as an admission of guilt.

Hmmm an interesting way to narrow down suspects CoD. Post or your screwed. Well I don't have to give any explanation to a person I suspect myself. You will not break the town by your game of fear and threats that you ocnsider those that don't reply to be scum. On the contrary ppl who shout the most are also equally as suspicious much like you and Kaz!!!

Kazio's analysis of karl's posting is interesting. I am interested in hearing karl's response to that accusation.

 

Not to OMGUS or anything, but I that post just sounded a little scummy Imran.....

 

You see no problem with Rafay laying low but list that as your reason for Alternate (rafay is contributing even less than alternate imo)

You say that I'm continualy pushing a lynch on a townie role when I haven't voted for Xarastier today (who is most likely a false role claim), despite having every reason to.

       -He made a role claim and then said it was a lie.

       -He has disapeared anytime anyone ask's him anything.

       -He is continually pushing a lynch vote on someone who the town has generally agreed for the most part is town.

       -He has yet to give a reason for why I should be lynched but still pushes it as if his life depended on it.

 

So please Imran.... Do tell how any of that makes me scum? Tell me how any of that didnt just paint you as scum trying to throw us off of another scum? Please those of you who are townies, clean up your act so we can find the scum. I don't want the town to lose the game because you got yourself branded as scum.

 

I will still refrain from voting even though in my opinion that are at this moment 4 likely lynch targets until they sort out whats going on and explain themselves;

       -Xarastier

       -Rafay

       -Karl

       -Imran

 

Understand please what I have said about how you look scummy and try to give me a well thought out explanation as to why you did the things you did which make you look scummy. Any refusal to respond to this accusation should be taken as an admission of guilt.

 

Firstly Rafay - I havent actually seen him make insightful logical deductions at scum hunting at previous games. Normally he is OMGUS on everyone and plays very defensively. So I am not actually surprised at his posts in this game. Thats how he plays and unfortunately its impossible to tell whether he is acting that way because he is scum or he is a townie.

 

Now you. It is interesting that you continue pushing the agenda that Xara may be false role claiming. I voted you for that on Day 1 but withdrew after your reaction. However, I am having 2nd thoughts. You may just be really annoyed with Xars posting against you and you just didnt want to play the game anymore. You voting for yourself would have shot the scum party in the leg but maybe you just didnt care anymore. So just your reaction to Xar's posting does not automatically freeze you as a townie I feel.

 

Now, if we ignore that phase and look at your posting. You continue to campaign for a Xara lynching (I dont see where he said that he lied about his role claim by the way) and you started the day of by saying Xara may be false claiming.

 

Also your short list of possible scum is interesting. You picked Rafay and Karl against whom others have already posted allegations. You have Xara on the list of course. And now you have put me in your list because I said you were on my suspect's list. It seems lo me like you are keeping your options open on who to vote for depending on which scum allegation gets momentum from the townies.

 

 

Any refusal to respond to this accusation should be taken as an admission of guilt.

 

and this is just trying too hard...

"'I am looking for someone to share in an adventure that I am arranging, and it's very difficult to find anyone.'

'I should think so — in these parts! We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!'"

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit

 

Vote count:

Xarastier (1): Lorikz Kain

Chaplain of Death (1): Xarastier

Rafay (1): Electric Mango

D3mon (1): Imran Ehsan

Xx Karl xX (1): Kaziocore

 

No-Lynch (0):

 

Not voting (6): Noahband, Rafay, Chaplain of Death, Xx Karl xX, Alternate_Tree, D3mon

 

 

It is Day 2. Deadline is Friday, February 15, at 0600.

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.

Noahband and Xarastier have been prodded.

 

Five days until Day 2 ends!

Thats not trying too hard, thats me trying to push the town to play the game rather than sit back while the scum win slowly because we aren't scum hunting. We can't effectively scum hunt without dialogue. Therefore the logical deduction to make is that those who are intentionally not participating in any meaningful way to the dialogue when they are having questions and accusations directed at them are trying to keep us from scum hunting.

 

Rafay literally just said he refuses to respond once again to any accusation. Usually he OMGUS's but now hes literally just sitting back and saying "I'm not saying anything so dont vote for me".

 

As I explained Imran, you are on my list based on your post.

 

For one, I have not campaigned to lynch Xarastier since I tried to rage quit the game. I continue to put him on my list of scum because I truly believe that he is scum. (I will quote his admitance of his claim being false after this post for you.) I am simply putting forth my current most likely list of scum so that we can hold a dialogue about those people and their potential guilt and scum hunt. Hence my continued no-vote today.

 

For two, You were added to my list based on shortfalls in your logic and deductions. You seem to have missed several key things that have happened during the game therefore have not taken them into account. You either haven't been all that active (which is highly possible considering the war taking place and is completely forgivable), or you are playing favorites on your suspect list (listing alternate but not rafay when they are playing the same way).

 

For three, since you talk about me pushing a vote on a townie (who looks more like a scum then the people who aren't posting), why dont we examine your vote for D3mon. D3mon almost got lynched yesterday based on no evidence. A lynch bandwagon was pushed on him based on a random vote made by Kazio, which people piled onto just to try and get a lynch. He made a silly vote to start conversation on day two (our votes shouldnt be random like that at this point) but explained why he hasn't been around after that post. Also since you bring up lying low after making a post, what about Xarastier who has once again disapeared after voting to lynch me and having questions directed at him? Once again you are playing favorites and not noticing that there are other people doing those exact same things and leaving them off your scum list.

"I dont think that the odd night part of that roll is something you nessacarily need to share, as it means that scum can feel safer in their kills on even nights now. But thanks for the role claim nonetheless)" Chaplain of death.

 

A-HA! My ruse worked under this shady oak tree! Not cuz of his bad spelling, but cuz Chaplain of death revealed his scumness by (1) revoking his vote for killing Electric Mango for a no vote as a cover after finding out that I'm a watcher, and (2) for acknowledging his comfort & safety in killing company folk with impunity if in fact I am a watcher.

 

As for Kaziocore: Suppose I'm not telling the truth?! Sorry for the editing. It won't happen again.

 

vote Chaplain of Death

 

He says his role claim was a ruse. Then he tells Kaziocore (who had just complained about him role claiming so quick for no reason) "suppose I'm not telling the truth?" so as to throw us all off in the point of actually believing his role claim as true or false. The evidence suggests to me that his role claim was false.

 

Again, with the fact that there are only 9 townies, it would not be hard for scum to go to the list of roles in this game and create a mixture of the odd-night even-night and a role and feel fairly secure in the fact that their role claim wont be discovered. This is also why I suspected EM and LK after their role claim because I wasn't sure that KevinH would but 2 masons into the game considering that there are only 9 townies and this isn't role madness so there are theoretically vanilla townies with no abilities. I haven't GMed before so I don't know how many vanilla townies there would be in a pool of 9 townies, but knowing this still leads me to doubt EM and LK a bit. Especially since they tried to rush a vote on D3mon with no evidence what-so-ever.

Not interested in a Rafay lynch right now as I think he's town and I found one suspicious player.

 

Ok, after looking through everything, here's some of my thoughts:

 

1. I think it's hard to tell at this point if EM and LK are telling the

truth. So for now i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume

what they're saying is true.

 

2. I don't understand why you guys are pushing for D3mon. From what i gather, this whole push

towards him started with kaz saying that him voting no-lynch was a bad

idea, and that's it. he really hasn't done anything that scummy.

 

3. Also, i don't know why everyone is clearing Xarastier as a for sure townie.

one of his first posts is a role-claim with some story i can't even make

sense of...it may be him adding RP, but it's confusing and really

doesn't add anything... Also, haven't you guys noticed that as soon as

he got cleared as town we haven't heard a thing from him? Little

suspicious right there.

 

4. Then there's Rafay. I know his style of play is a little wacky, but this game... just come on, he

really is being crazy in what he posts. Example: for some reason, he

thinks that Electric and Kaz are out to get him and are pushing for a

lynch on him when i don't think anyone has voted for him the entire game

except for Kaz's first random vote. So maybe Rafay is playing some

weird strategy or really does not understand what it happening around

him. Either of those two choices are very counter-productive to the town

and really just confuses everyone that reads his posts.

 

5. Also, most of you guys are clearing kaz of being scum just because he is

talking a lot and leading the conversation. Sure that can be a townie

actually scum hunting, or a scum trying to gain rep as town early when

it's easier so he can take control later in the game and influence the

next lynch easier.

 

6. I'm not necessarily accusing anyone

that i just listed as being scum, i'm just saying possible guys we may

need to look out for. However, i will vote to lynch the person i think

to be the most harmful to the town at this point, and with the reasons

stated above:

 

vote: Rafay

1. Reads to me that he still wants to instill doubt to those who think the two are scum.

 

2. Although I don't like to give associate tells before any flips, this looks to me

that Karl is defending/buddying d3mon when it's unnecessary. D3mon was never

in danger of getting lynched (in my opinion)

 

3,5. Scum doesn't like to reduce the scum pool or clear someone.

It gives them a lot of convenient choices.

 

4. Thinks Rafay could be the convenient lynch target for the day because of his play-style

(everyone knows that Rafay is always defensive regardless of his alignment).

 

What's interesting here is that he picked Rafay over Xarastier even though objectively

speaking, Xarastier's posts were more crazy. He was just a little suspicious with Xarastier

even though he posted reasons not to believe in Xarastier's claim. My guess is that

a Xarastier lynch will not get much support than a Rafay lynch.

 

6. Reads as being non-commitant... He's not saying they're scum but he says we should look after them.

 

Vote: Xx Karl xX

 

@Karl: Do tell us your reads. Who's likely scum, who's likely town, and who's still a null read.

 

 

First, lets deal with those six points:

1. Sorry, i wasn't instilling doubt in anyone, i was just posting the extremely obvious at that point in the game. EM only role claimed because LK was about to be lynched. it was either the truth, or scum trying to save their skin. I was just saying that i chose to believe that they were telling the truth.

 

2. i was defending d3mon because I thought he hadn't done anything scummy at that point and seemed pretty townie, and I didn't think it was smart for there to be 3 people voting for him. Also, what do you mean he was in no danger of being lynched? everyone in the game wanted a day 1 lynch and d3mon was one of the few guys being targeted for that lynch. Seemed like he was in danger to me...

 

3 and 5. your point on these just completely contradicts what you say in your entire null section on your list. you neither, "reduce the scum pool or clear someone," and, "gives [you] a lot of convenient choices." so please don't call me scummy when you did the exact same thing.

 

4. Wow, you need to stop being so literal. i do in fact think Xara is being very scummy, I was even the first person to point out that he had been very quiet ever since he had been accused of being scummy. 

 

6. reads as you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. I'm pretty sure i never said "I dont have any clue who could be scum, please go find them for me guys, herp derp." I listed rafay and xara as scummy, and also hinted at you kaz, as not being this all-mighty townie that knows everything. So you're wrong, I did say that I thought there were scum.

 

 

I'll have a looksy over everything again and post a list on my reads of everyone later, but here's who i have right now

 

SUSPICIOUS:

Rafay - reasons in my last list, and now he feels like he shouldnt have to explain himself when people ask.

 

Xara - reasons in my last list

 

Kaz - that arbitrary judging of my list using "facts" that could easily be said about any scum list any person makes...

 

TOWN:

LK and EM: They linked each other together from day 1. I don't think scum would risk putting most of their eggs in one basket from the get-go, so they gotta be townies.

I said I don't need 2 explain myself to person who I think is scummy.

 

"I dont think that the odd night part of that roll is something you nessacarily need to share, as it means that scum can feel safer in their kills on even nights now. But thanks for the role claim nonetheless)" Chaplain of death.

 

A-HA! My ruse worked under this shady oak tree! Not cuz of his bad spelling, but cuz Chaplain of death revealed his scumness by (1) revoking his vote for killing Electric Mango for a no vote as a cover after finding out that I'm a watcher, and (2) for acknowledging his comfort & safety in killing company folk with impunity if in fact I am a watcher.

 

As for Kaziocore: Suppose I'm not telling the truth?! Sorry for the editing. It won't happen again.

 

vote Chaplain of Death

 

He says his role claim was a ruse. Then he tells Kaziocore (who had just complained about him role claiming so quick for no reason) "suppose I'm not telling the truth?" so as to throw us all off in the point of actually believing his role claim as true or false. The evidence suggests to me that his role claim was false.

 

Again, with the fact that there are only 9 townies, it would not be hard for scum to go to the list of roles in this game and create a mixture of the odd-night even-night and a role and feel fairly secure in the fact that their role claim wont be discovered. This is also why I suspected EM and LK after their role claim because I wasn't sure that KevinH would but 2 masons into the game considering that there are only 9 townies and this isn't role madness so there are theoretically vanilla townies with no abilities. I haven't GMed before so I don't know how many vanilla townies there would be in a pool of 9 townies, but knowing this still leads me to doubt EM and LK a bit. Especially since they tried to rush a vote on D3mon with no evidence what-so-ever.

 

 

Thats not trying too hard, thats me trying to push the town to play the game rather than sit back while the scum win slowly because we aren't scum hunting. We can't effectively scum hunt without dialogue. Therefore the logical deduction to make is that those who are intentionally not participating in any meaningful way to the dialogue when they are having questions and accusations directed at them are trying to keep us from scum hunting.

 

You tell us to scum hunt but when I do that and post my opinion that I view your actions as suspicious you OMGUS me. Its exactly these kind of reactions that make me suspicious of you.

 

For one, I have not campaigned to lynch Xarastier since I tried to rage quit the game. I continue to put him on my list of scum because I truly believe that he is scum. (I will quote his admitance of his claim being false after this post for you.) I am simply putting forth my current most likely list of scum so that we can hold a dialogue about those people and their potential guilt and scum hunt. Hence my continued no-vote today.

 

For two, You were added to my list based on shortfalls in your logic and deductions. You seem to have missed several key things that have happened during the game therefore have not taken them into account. You either haven't been all that active (which is highly possible considering the war taking place and is completely forgivable), or you are playing favorites on your suspect list (listing alternate but not rafay when they are playing the same way).

 

I believe Xar's claim. Lets face it, there was no way he could have come up with a claim that not only says he is a watcher but an "odd" night watcher. Before killgor was killed we didnt even know if even and odd night characteristics were there! I dont see how you can still accuse him of being scum and when someone questions you about it, you call him scum.

 

For three, since you talk about me pushing a vote on a townie (who looks more like a scum then the people who aren't posting), why dont we examine your vote for D3mon. D3mon almost got lynched yesterday based on no evidence. A lynch bandwagon was pushed on him based on a random vote made by Kazio, which people piled onto just to try and get a lynch. He made a silly vote to start conversation on day two (our votes shouldnt be random like that at this point) but explained why he hasn't been around after that post. Also since you bring up lying low after making a post, what about Xarastier who has once again disapeared after voting to lynch me and having questions directed at him? Once again you are playing favorites and not noticing that there are other people doing those exact same things and leaving them off your scum list.

 

Vote on d3mon was a pressure vote to get him involved. After i voted for him he came back and said his absence is because of RL commitments. I dont think I will still be voting for him by the end of this day but i dont think he is necessarily cleared from being scum. Just think there are better candidates to lynch.

 

Xarastier has a frustrating habbit of disappearing after making wild claims and theories. This is nothing new. He got lynched pretty early last game because of this. He was not scum. I dont see why we should lynch a pretty sure townie just because he is acting the way he is. Its frustrating yes, but its not worth the townies losing lynch over.

Sorry for being inactive lately. I am here, and got the 'prod'. Was there anything specifically you guys wanted from me??

Uhh.......YEAH. Your game.........????!!!!

For one Imran, I wanted scum hunting, which involves thinking things out. I pointed out flaws in your observations, which is part of the overall process of scum hunting. If you dont like people examing what you are saying and telling you what they see differently then don't play Mafia, because that is the entire game.

 

For two, if you look at the first post KevinH made, this is a closed game. All the roles are listed. It's actually quite easy to go and make a combination with the roles and the modifiers, and as I said with only 9 townies, as long as you dont claim something powerful your probably not going to get caught.

 

Lastly, last game Xarastier didn't disapear. He just sat there and said repeatedly lets lynch at random here's how we do it. He ignored any questions but he didn't disapear like he has this game.

 

I'm sorry that I OMGUS'd (without voting for you.....) but I call it like I see it, and your failure to note several key things made you look scummy or unobservant. Again, there are other things going on so nobody can blame you if you have been busy and missed some things.