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[Kaziocore]

A ) There is not much to post about so townies may just be lurking to see progression, all they have is there vote.
B ) The townies outnumber the scum
C ) Scum are more likely to be actively trying to gain trust among other by "hunting" for scum

You're basically rewarding players to lurk and punishing people who scum hunt
if that's how you think townies should act.
 
Townies shouldn't lurk just to view everyone else talking about stuff.
So who's supposed to create the progression?
 
There's a lot to post about. Like how you completely tunneled me as you have ignored
what Imran has said. You have time to analyze my post but yet you didn't try to
understand Imran's. I think there is something wrong there.
 
 I would also like to point out how you misrepped me

Encouraging the vote on lurkers which doesn't say much as we have little info to work with.

which I didn't say. If you think that's a scum tell then

I'm doubting if you're even reading what other people

are posting here.

 

 lol you're saying my reason for suspecting KevinH is weak?

 

Tell me what's weak in voting KevinH because I think his post

was more of information rather than analysis. Scum would

likely post something which seemingly is useful but is not

to look "townie." What's weak in trying to get out of RVS

as early as possible.

 

I don't see how Xarastier's vote and especially yours is better

than mine.

[Kaziocore]

vote: rafay
 
 
 
let the drama ensue.

Any other insight than appearing out of nowhere to vote the biggest wagon right now?
 

Well it sems no one has bothered to understand my explanation. I hope you can understand that I'm not scum and that if I'm lynched, tonight the scum will cause major chaos. I only request that I'm inportant to the town. Can't explain that. But plz understand, rethink and re-vote.

Give us your reads (who you think is town, scum, null at this point) and I may reconsider
but as of now, you're not being pro-town
 
 

Progression is awfully slow and this day is uneventful.
I suppose Rafay is not all that active, although I think there is less active people.
To be honest I have no idea why people still have their votes on Rafay and others for such a long time with nothing being added, if anything it shows they're not all that active(except the ones that voted people because they were inactive).
Reign of terror,Nerau, killgor are other alternatives and perhaps somewhat better.
 
Unvote
 
Vote Rafay

lol scummy move
 

Encouraging the vote on lurkers which doesn't say much as we have little info to work with.

and yet he voted Rafay for the same reason
 
Unvote: Rafay

Vote: Commander Shepard

 

Rafay can probably wait later

[Commander Shepard]

This might come shocking but it actually means I voted Rafay because progression is slow, people are not changing votes when they have next to no reason for voting that person, but there seems to be a communications issue between us.

[Kaziocore]

We still have 9 days. There's no need to rush.
I don't even think there's a slow progression.

Xarastier is about to be replaced too as a

replacement has been found

[Kaziocore]

On a side note, we are 5 days into the game and already have 150 posts, good activity guys! Let me know if you guys want the days shorter, if not that's fine I just don't want people to get bored and quit because the day phase was too long.

lol it's their problem if they can't play that long

[Kaziocore]

So what you're saying Commander Shepard is that you're voting Rafay to spur discussion

but not because he is lurking per se? Then why not vote someone else that are more

suspicious to you? Why did you unvote me for instance?

 

Also I would like to know your opinion on Imran. He was for the most part of the game

parking his vote on lurkers. What say you?

[Commander Shepard]

You're basically rewarding players to lurk and punishing people who scum hunt
if that's how you think townies should act.
 
Townies shouldn't lurk just to view everyone else talking about stuff.
So who's supposed to create the progression?
 
There's a lot to post about. Like how you completely tunneled me as you have ignored
what Imran has said. You have time to analyze my post but yet you didn't try to
understand Imran's. I think there is something wrong there.

 

 

 

I haven't been readin Imran that much.

I think he is voting inactives, I somewhat agree and fine it acceptable.

There is not much to analysis.

 

I'm not rewarding players to lurk, I don't think the Vig should only target lurkers as you suggested he should do.

I think he should target those he find suspicious.

 

 which I didn't say. If you think that's a scum tell then

I'm doubting if you're even reading what other people

are posting here.

 

 

lol you're saying my reason for suspecting KevinH is weak?

 

 

Tell me what's weak in voting KevinH because I think his post

was more of information rather than analysis. Scum would

likely post something which seemingly is useful but is not

to look "townie." What's weak in trying to get out of RVS

as early as possible.

 

I don't see how Xarastier's vote and especially yours is better

than mine.

You think my scum tell is weak, I think your scum tell is weak.

 

Generally I think you're using your vote in retaliation.

Your vote on KevinH was weak as hell.

Your vote on Rafay seemed like retaliation and it was weak as hell.

Your vote on me is much the same your vote on Rafay.

 

You quote me post and say "Lol scummy" and then vote me.

It appears almost child like.

I don't consider Rafay a lurker.

[Commander Shepard]

So what you're saying Commander Shepard is that you're voting Rafay to spur discussion

but not because he is lurking per se? Then why not vote someone else that are more

suspicious to you? Why did you unvote me for instance?

 

Also I would like to know your opinion on Imran. He was for the most part of the game

parking his vote on lurkers. What say you?

 

Imran was voting inactives, I think that sums it up.

I unvoted you because I got bored and then I voted Rafay.

I find it suspicious Rafay dropped the power role reference and how he is important to the town.

However I will not vote him again as I find yours and Euclid's behavior more suspicious at present.

[Kaziocore]

You still haven't given reasons stating why my reason for voting KevinH is weak so I don't know
 
But objectively speaking, mine is better than this poor excuse to join the early wagon
 

Vote KevinH
 
Someone needs to be lynched

 
You also wrote this when you voted me so that means you should suspect people
voting inactive. But it is definitely suspicious that now you think it's just fine.

You haven't even quoted the part where I said this so you're just misreping me.
 

Encouraging the vote on lurkers which doesn't say much as we have little info to work with.

 

Also please don't use the excuse that I'm scum because I voted you. That's weak.

You're scummy yourself.

[Kaziocore]

I haven't been readin Imran that much.

Commander Shepherd - TUNNELVISION ON

[Commander Shepard]

You still haven't given reasons stating why my reason for voting KevinH is weak so I don't know
 
But objectively speaking, mine is better than this poor excuse to join the early wagon
 

Vote KevinH
 
Someone needs to be lynched

 
You also wrote this when you voted me so that means you should suspect people
voting inactive. But it is definitely suspicious that now you think it's just fine.

You haven't even quoted the part where I said this so you're just misreping me.
 

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Encouraging the vote on lurkers which doesn't say much as we have little info to work with.

 

Also please don't use the excuse that I'm scum because I voted you. That's weak.

You're scummy yourself.

 

 

Your reason for voting KevinH is weak because I see no real reason.

Information over analysis? Ridiculous

 

 

 Vote: KevinH

 

And yes. I'm out of RVS.

This is more of information over analysis.

Also he should cast his vote

 

Honestly I think the only good reason as to why you voted him is because he did not cast his vote which is pretty ridiculous in itself.

 

I explained why I voted him over two other posts and to be honest I am new to this.

It was after all my first ever post here.

You're not scum because you voted me, I just generally dislike your approach.

It seems childlike and ridiculous which could imply that you're scum.

 

I mean "Lol scummy" seriously? I don't even know.

[Commander Shepard]

I haven't been readin Imran that much.

Commander Shepherd - TUNNELVISION ON

 

>Ignores most of my post about Imran and uses selective quotes.

[Commander Shepard]

I should not say the only good reason you voted him.

I mean the best reason you gave is because he did not vote yet.

[Kaziocore]

Okay tell me what's ridiculous with IoA? Do you even understand what it is?
You're just saying it's ridiculous without explaining why.
 
Since you're new to this game, this is how normally mafia starts
1. we start with random voting stage (RVS) to spur discussion
2. someone sees someone suspicious (RVS ends)
 
Normally the first wagon dies out eventually so KevinH was in no danger of getting lynched.
I did what I'm supposed to. I find KevinH suspicious so I voted him.
 
 It's peculiar though how you chose to vote me instead of Xarastier.
It's also peculiar that in your POV, if someone votes ridiculously (which I argue is not)
he's automatically scum. This is peculiar because Xarastier and you yourself had a weak reason that
couldn't even compare to mine but you still didn't suspect Xarastier or thought that
it's a null tell because you also did it.
 
So this is basically you're reasons for voting me
1) you think my vote on KevinH is ridiculous (which is not even a scum tell) ~ not actually present when you voted me
2) i was actively scum hunting (you think mafia would try to be active to divert attention to themselves) ~ basically active people are scummy, lurkers are towny
3) i encouraged the vote on lurkers ~ which is not true and which I even disagreed in Post #76. The fact that he used this reason but ignored Imran even though he voted an inactive means he's tunneling
 

 

I haven't been readin Imran that much.

Commander Shepherd - TUNNELVISION ON

 

 
>Ignores most of my post about Imran and uses selective quotes.

 
Oh really? I think you only noticed Imran because I pointed him out to you.
You say you didn't understand his post but if you're not tunneling me,
you would exert more effort there.
 
Also though you also suspect Euclid, it's probably because you're thinking
we're the scum team so indirectly you're still tunneling me.
 
Okay I'll also ignore the fact that you actually ignored most
of my posts too to paint me as scummy.
 

You're not scum because you voted me, I just generally dislike your approach.
It seems childlike and ridiculous which could imply that you're scum.
 
I mean "Lol scummy" seriously? I don't even know.

Okay you generally dislike my approach so that means I'm scum. Cool story bro

Being childlike and ridiculous is also scummy. That's new.

 

 If you really think I'm scum then I'm cool with a 1v1.

[Kaziocore]

Okay I'll also ignore the fact that you ignored killgor's vote on Rafay. Okay now you're not tunneling.

 

And unvoting me just because you're bored is not a good reason at all

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Commander Shepard's posts and votes seem incoherent. Not sure if he is misguided or scum. In either case a liability to the town if you ask me. Discussing with him is not getting us anywhere imo so I'm likely to just ignore him for the rest of the day. Would love to here from a few others though. I think reign of terror has been awfully silent for instance...

[killgor]

no insights. the other game finished so i can concentrate on this one. right now i'm just noting your guys reactions.

[Commander Shepard]

IoA which is basically lloA

 

Information Instead of Analysis (IIoA)

The general form of this tell is "players who speculate about the setup more than they ask for other players' reasoning and/or accuse other players of being scum are probably group scum".

This tell is strongest in games with a single scum faction.

Note: Some players are known for set-up speculation. This is more of a null-tell during Day 1 with those players. (See Vi, Kinetic)

 

Yeah voting him for doing it even before RVS even began is ridiculous.

 

 

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1) I'm still not decided if your voting of KevinH is scummy, the reasons were bad.

2) You keep ignoring what I am saying and you keeping repeating the same thing of what you think I think.

 

 

As for 3)

 

You said this in post #110

3. I advocated lynching lurkers (which I don't if you actually read my posts)

 

I said this in post #115

 

You didn't advocate lynching them and I was not referring to that.

 

I don't think I said you advocated lynching lurkers and I denied that you advocated lynching them when you thought I implied it or something.

Yet now you keep bringing this up despite me denying that I thought your were advocating lynching lurkers.

[Martino]

Progression is awfully slow and this day is uneventful.

I suppose Rafay is not all that active, although I think there is less active people.

To be honest I have no idea why people still have their votes on Rafay and others for such a long time with nothing being added, if anything it shows they're not all that active(except the ones that voted people because they were inactive).

Reign of terror,Nerau, killgor are other alternatives and perhaps somewhat better.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Rafay

First you wonder why people still have their vote on Rafay while there are better targets out there. Then you follow that up by voting for Rafay. That does not add up. Besides, I don't think Rafay is all that scummy.

 

unvote

vote Commander Shepard

[Commander Shepard]

Oh really? I think you only noticed Imran because I pointed him out to you.
You say you didn't understand his post but if you're not tunneling me,
you would exert more effort there.

 

He said was voting for inactives, is there anything else I should know?

I read a lot of the posts but don't remember them all, I only really remember the points of interest.
 

I don't remember saying I didn't understand his post, so it would be nice if you could point me to where I said that.

Also though you also suspect Euclid, it's probably because you're thinking
we're the scum team so indirectly you're still tunneling me.
 
Okay I'll also ignore the fact that you actually ignored most
of my posts too to paint me as scummy.

 

 

I see you as potential scum, you both have characteristics that are so far unexplained.

And that is complete BS, I did my best to address everything you posted about it.

If you feel I ignored something then reply back with what it was.

Okay you generally dislike my approach so that means I'm scum. Cool story bro

Being childlike and ridiculous is also scummy. That's new.

 

 

 

I'm not sure entirely sure if you're scum as I see everyone as been potential scum and nothing is proven.

I said it could imply you're scum, talk about ignoring what I am saying.