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[Imran Ehsan]

 

@Martino What's your opinion on Imran?

 

Very similar to my opinion on Lyner. The only contribution he has made has been him advocating lynching the inactives. While I agree that inactives can be frustrating, they are not more likely to be scum. So also in his case it seems like he is simply looking for an easy lynch. Besides, he should know from last game that D1 discussion can definitely uncover scum. It doesn't matter whether it is D1 or D4, by putting some pressure at the right time you give them the opportunity to slip up. 

 

Yes because Day 1 there is no info and if anyone is lynched it should be those who are contributing the least. The probability of lynching a scum in the active group is the same as probability of lynching a scum in the inactive group. My preference is to lynch one of the inactives instead of an active player since the probability of hitting a scum is the same. Scum have more motivation to post the least so that they dont slip up. Last game was an exception and even then when CoD was looking like a scum townies couldnt actually lynch him because of a split vote. Even later on he was not identified as scum based on Day 1 discussions. So pulling last games exaple here is pointless.

 

Anycase, since Martino has returned and contributed positively, I will remove my vote from him.

 

Unvote

 

The next two people who are contributing the least (that I feel) is Xarastier and Reign of Terror.

 

Both havent contributed much. So for the moment I will vote

 

Vote: Reign of Terror

[Commander Shepard]

You're asking questions to things I already stated.

- Why it would not benefit the town for the vig to kill lurkers.

- Why your style is somewhat scummy, generally it flawed.

   If it is flawed on purpose I don't know.

 

Your explanation for voting Rafay is still suspicious, why did you find him suspicious?

 

 

Your second post

The vig not killing anyone is a valid standpoint for a townie as the chances are he may indeed kill a townie with little to no relevant info to work with.

1. Vigilante killing every night is not flawed. Research about it. It's a valid strategy.

2. You didn't address why you think it's more likely for lurkers to be town.

It's actually a great service to town for them to be night killed because

you would find it hard to read them as town or not.

3. Since you didn't reply concerning Imran, I'll take it as you agree with his plan.

4. Post #37 looks suspicious. He didn't suspect Xarastier and neither you for voting KevinH but

he deliberately finds me scummy for voting KevinH even though Xarastier and you have

weaker reasons for voting KevinH. That means he is just finding weak reasons to

justify his random vote on me.

 

I'm like 20% suspicious of him at that time and voting him would help me solidify my read on him more.

Frankly, he's not doing a great job right now in changing my read.

 

1) I was not even talking about that, I don't not think the vig killing every night is flaw and never say it was.

2) Yes I did, somewhat

 

 

A) There is not much to post about so townies may just be lurking to see progression, all they have is there vote.

The townies outnumber the scum

C) Scum are more likely to be actively trying to gain trust among other by "hunting" for scum

 

 

3) To be honest I have no idea what Imran has been saying

 

4) You had pretty weak reasons for voting Kev out of RVS

 Vote: KevinH

 

And yes. I'm out of RVS.

This is more of information over analysis.

Also he should cast his vote

I'm not even sure what to make of your reason.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Maybe you should read the rules again just in case you missed anything else. Just saying.

[Commander Shepard]

Maybe you should read the rules again just in case you missed anything else. Just saying.

 

No, it's fine.

It was just that is the only rule that is out of place.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Yes because Day 1 there is no info and if anyone is lynched it should be those who are contributing the least. The probability of lynching a scum in the active group is the same as probability of lynching a scum in the inactive group.

 

No info on Day 1? If that were the case we might as well just randomly quick lynch somebody. Also, you contradict yourself, since activity level is information as well. Apparently the only information you value. I wonder on what basis do you say that the probability of hitting scum is the same for actives and inactives? Did you analyze any games for that? Or are you just guessing here?

 

 

The next two people who are contributing the least (that I feel) is Xarastier and Reign of Terror.
 
Both havent contributed much. So for the moment I will vote
 
Vote: Reign of Terror

 

Peculiar choice. You could have put Xarastier at 3 votes. With only 1 RV (double) post he is the least active of these two. Instead you put reign of terror at 1 vote, who at least got 3 posts in so far: 1 RV post, 1 post defending KevinH and suspecting those on his wagon, and 1 post defending KevinH - again - and justifying his vote.

 

Funny thing though. In Post #61 reign of terror claims to vote Xarastier for not contributing much. If that ain't hypocrisy...

[Imran Ehsan]

Yes because Day 1 there is no info and if anyone is lynched it should be those who are contributing the least. The probability of lynching a scum in the active group is the same as probability of lynching a scum in the inactive group.

 

No info on Day 1? If that were the case we might as well just randomly quick lynch somebody. Also, you contradict yourself, since activity level is information as well. Apparently the only information you value. I wonder on what basis do you say that the probability of hitting scum is the same for actives and inactives? Did you analyze any games for that? Or are you just guessing here?

 

Nope. Everyone who is posting around now and making wild accusations are doing so out of hunches and "hey..thaaats a suspicious post..he must be scum!!" Pretty much what you are doing. There are no voting records yet and we havent seen any kills yet. So whatever you say, you making highly deductive posts about who must be scum based on what he wrote is just trash. Yes, it may be useful on later days..I never said we should not discuss or go for a quick lynch..but for Day 1 lynch -- no. You seem to be putting words in my mouth are trying to make me look scummy by posting something that I had not done. You are trying too hard to confuse others..sorry.

 

Yes, probability of hitting scum is exactly same if we separate two groups - inactives and actives. If you dont get that, I am not sure how to explain it to you.

 

The next two people who are contributing the least (that I feel) is Xarastier and Reign of Terror.
 
Both havent contributed much. So for the moment I will vote
 
Vote: Reign of Terror

 

Peculiar choice. You could have put Xarastier at 3 votes. With only 1 RV (double) post he is the least active of these two. Instead you put reign of terror at 1 vote, who at least got 3 posts in so far: 1 RV post, 1 post defending KevinH and suspecting those on his wagon, and 1 post defending KevinH - again - and justifying his vote.

 

Funny thing though. In Post #61 reign of terror claims to vote Xarastier for not contributing much. If that ain't hypocrisy...

 

Xarastier already has votes on him. How does me putting another vote on him help the conversation on Day1. So you want me to put more votes on Xar so he can be lynched quickly? Seems like you are contradicting yourself there. I though you wanted more conversations..my vote on RoT may prompt him to post more. How does me voting for Xar prompt him to post more when he already has votes on him?

 

Sorry. Your reply was very scummy.

 

FOS: Euclid

[Commander Shepard]

I would like to know what everyone thinks the vig should do seeing as this has caused people to think of others as being possible scum for their stance.

 

 

A) NK the person he finds most suspicious and likely to be a scum

NK a lurker, just a random lurker

C) NK a mostly inactive

D) NK no one and wait for the next night if still alive

[Chaplain of death]

Xarastier sent me a PM saying he cannot continue in this game, I will be trying to find a replacement for him. That is the reason for his added inactivity the past few days.

 

Also Commander Shepard, as was already said, you cannot edit posts. The reason for this is that so people don't go back in the thread and edit posts where they tried to lynch a townie or something of that nature. The idea is that once you say something you cannot take it back, just like playing mafia in person. It can be annoying when you make typo's and don't realize until after you post, but you will just have to roll with it. Correct it in a 2nd post if it bothers you that much ;p.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

I'm on my phone. Kind of awkward. All quotes are of the same post by Imran.

Nope. Everyone who is posting around now and making wild accusations are doing so out of hunches and "hey..thaaats a suspicious post..he must be scum!!" Pretty much what you are doing.

Expressing suspicions is not the same as making accusations and certainly not the same as drawing definite conclusions. Please differentiate between those. I have so far only done the first.

There are no voting records yet and we havent seen any kills yet. So whatever you say, you making highly deductive posts about who must be scum based on what he wrote is just trash.

Sure there are voting records. For instance you first voted for me, then for Martino and now reign of terror. That's a record right there. Obviously it will be more telling where the votes are at day's end, but that's no reason to just ignore anything else. And again, I am not deducting anything about who must be scum. I am well aware that that's near impossible on Day 1.

Yes, it may be useful on later days.

Exactly. Therefore I am glad to see you making substantial posts now.

I never said we should not discuss or go for a quick lynch..but for Day 1 lynch -- no. You seem to be putting words in my mouth are trying to make me look scummy by posting something that I had not done.

I never said you said those things and I'm not trying to make you look scummy at all. Tbh I have a null read on you so far. I'm just trying to make you make statements that might be useful to look back at on Day 2.

You are trying too hard to confuse others..sorry.

You don't seem to be confused by me. Why would you think anyone else is?
 

Xarastier already has votes on him. How does me putting another vote on him help the conversation on Day1. So you want me to put more votes on Xar so he can be lynched quickly? Seems like you are contradicting yourself there. I though you wanted more conversations..my vote on RoT may prompt him to post more. How does me voting for Xar prompt him to post more when he already has votes on him?

More votes is more pressure was my thinking. Obviously you disagree. Thanks for clearing that up though. Also, you're putting words in my mouth here. I never said Xar should be lynched, so definitely neither that he should be quick lynched. And putting Xar at 3 votes as I suggested doesn't even come close to that.

Anyways, good post. First to put some actual pressure on me imo, as I believe should be done to all of us somewhere during this day.

[Chaplain of death]

Vote count 1.04

 

 

reign of terror (1) - Imran Ehsan,

Kaziocore (2) - Rafay, Commander Shepard

Nerau (1) - Killgor,

killgor (0) - 

KevinH (1) - Xarastier,

Martino (0) – 

Rafay (4) - Nerau, KevinH, Euclid of Alexandria, Kaziocore

Commander Shepard (0) -

Lyner (1) - Martino

Imran Ehsan (0) -

Euclid of Alexandria (0) -

Xarastier (2) - reign of terror, Lyner
 

Not voting (0) - 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Rafay is currently the wagon leader at L-3

Deadline is Monday, May 6th, 2013 @ 23:20 PST

 

 

On a side note, we are 5 days into the game and already have 150 posts, good activity guys! Let me know if you guys want the days shorter, if not that's fine I just don't want people to get bored and quit because the day phase was too long.

[killgor]

vote: rafay

 

 

 

let the drama ensue.

[KevinH]

I find it interesting that Rafay is accumulating votes.

My vote started as a prompt and look what happened...

Of course, somebody needs to be lynched and I don't see a better alternative so I'll leave my vote there.

[Commander Shepard]

Progression is awfully slow and this day is uneventful.

I suppose Rafay is not all that active, although I think there is less active people.

To be honest I have no idea why people still have their votes on Rafay and others for such a long time with nothing being added, if anything it shows they're not all that active(except the ones that voted people because they were inactive).

Reign of terror,Nerau, killgor are other alternatives and perhaps somewhat better.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Rafay

[Euclid of Alexandria]

unvote
 
I'm quite happy to see Rafay lynched, but L-1 at this point... no. We haven't even heard from Xarastier's replacement.

[Commander Shepard]

Quite happy? that is weird and very scummy

 

Unvote

 

Vote Euclid 

[Rafay]

Well it sems no one has bothered to understand my explanation. I hope you can understand that I'm not scum and that if I'm lynched, tonight the scum will cause major chaos. I only request that I'm inportant to the town. Can't explain that. But plz understand, rethink and re-vote.

[Commander Shepard]

Don't state you're important to the town, if you survive then someone might kill you.

And it could come back to haunt you if you're indeed scum and people could also see it as you're as a scum pleading not to be lynched.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

unvote
 
I'm quite happy to see Rafay lynched, but L-1 at this point... no. We haven't even heard from Xarastier's replacement.

 

 

Quite happy? that is weird and very scummy

 

Unvote

 

Vote Euclid 

 

 

I have no problem with L-2 though so...

Vote Rafay

 

Also, lol @Commander Shepard for first putting Rafay at L-1 and then voting me for saying that I'm okay with lynching him. Makes sense. Not.

[Commander Shepard]

No you're not ok with lynching with him.

You're happy with lynching him, your potential reasons for being happy with lynching him are worrying considering he has shown no real signs of being scum.

 

It does make sense I voted to lynch him for the reasons I described, sometimes, actually all the time there seems to be some communications problem between me and you where you ignore parts of what I say or reply to my posts with something I was not even discussing such as my first vote on KevinH.

I also like how you're backtracking from "happy with lynching him" to "ok with lynching him".

Yeah I don't trust you at all.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Progression is awfully slow and this day is uneventful.
I suppose Rafay is not all that active, although I think there is less active people.
To be honest I have no idea why people still have their votes on Rafay and others for such a long time with nothing being added, if anything it shows they're not all that active(except the ones that voted people because they were inactive).
Reign of terror,Nerau, killgor are other alternatives and perhaps somewhat better.
 
Unvote
 
Vote Rafay

 
You mentioned that you had reasons to put Rafay at L-1. Are they supposed to be in this quote? Lol at calling the day uneventful just after killgor made his bold move.

I'm not backtracking anything. Since we'll have to lynch someone and Rafay seems the most suspect to me it might as well be him. As to your freaking out over happy with versus okay with... whatever, I meant the same thing.