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[Sir Jesus]

The sun rose and the streets of Karma came alive again. The citizens all looked at one another, smiling over the death of Falzis. They had done it correctly the first time, and they were ready to do it again! Then someone noticed...
"Where is Electric Mango?"
"Oh no!"
"He lives on the corner of Ragna Road and Gremlin Lane!"
They all ran to Electric Mango's house and immediately noticed the back door was open. The citizens all ran upstairs into his bedroom and instantly turned and vomited. Electric Mango's head, torso, and limbs were all in a basket. Above his head was written in deep red "ink":

I have protected you from the drug epidemic
And you pay me back by killing my brother!?
I will kill all of you!

After a thourough search of the house it was determined that Electric Mango was a Townie

[Sir Jesus]

Begin Day 2

[KevinH]

This is good.

Mole was right. That might put suspicion on him as a drug lord. Of course, I will consider that he is just a good scum-hunting townie.

However, I have to ask why the remaining mafia killed Electric Mango rather than Mole.

One of Curufinwe or CanucksDynasty is probably the remaining mafia because I don't think a mafia would have voted for his partner.

[CanucksDynasty]

Not sure why EM was killed instead of Mole.
Since Falzis turned up scum...I had Mole and Narsis pegged as druggies (as mentioned in my previous post).
As for the other scum...that would most likely be Curufinwe.

[Narsis]

my thoughts:

1. glad that Falzis turned up scum. this gives the town a ton of information to work with.

2. why in the world was EM killed? i was almost 100% sure that me or mole would have been nk'd. to me EM didn't really look like much of a threat to anyone since he was posting little. still maybe the mafia thought he was a druggie trying to lie low?

3. list of who i think is who(removing myself to prevent bias):

Falzis: 5 (Electric Mango, Molestargazer, KevinH, Narsis, Captain8track)
Molestargazer: 3 (Curufinwe, CanucksDynasty, Falzis)

Druggies:

Molestargazer--placed a pressure vote on Falzis and didn't let up until he was lynched. even so...he almost pushed too hard. of course then we are getting into the WIFOM and everything...

captain8track--although he voted mole earlier, once his partner came under heavy fire, he quickly changed his vote over to Falzis for the lynch. his vote on mole could easily have been a distancing vote.

Mafia(note: only one of them could be the remaining mafia but it could be either):

Curufinwe--places a vote on mole with little reasoning.

CanucksDynasty--same as curu...except with even less reasoning.

Undecided:

KevinH--he hasn't really said anything of much worth. his reasoning for his vote on Falzis seems a little weak to me. he's not his usual self...although there aren't really any cops to follow...

[molestargazer]

Mole was right. That might put suspicion on him as a drug lord. Of course, I will consider that he is just a good scum-hunting townie.

Just a townie here.

However, I have to ask why the remaining mafia killed Electric Mango rather than Mole.

So do I. I won't get into WIFOM about it though.

One of Curufinwe or CanucksDynasty is probably the remaining mafia because I don't think a mafia would have voted for his partner.

This bit raises an eyebrow.
It's very possible for scum to jump onto a wagon to lynch their scumbuddy and ride out the rest of the game. I'm not comfortable with instantly clearing everyone on the wagon.

Molestargazer--placed a pressure vote on Falzis and didn't let up until he was lynched. even so...he almost pushed too hard. of course then we are getting into the WIFOM and everything...

Nothing wrong with a pressure vote.
The vast majority of that time in that whole scenario, I was repeatedly defending my actions to Falzis. Only when he continued with the same broken logic did I attack, as would any decent townie.
I did not know Falzis' alignment until he was dead. I only had my confidence in my scumhunting.

[KevinH]

KevinH--he hasn't really said anything of much worth. his reasoning for his vote on Falzis seems a little weak to me. he's not his usual self...although there aren't really any cops to follow...

I don't know what your definition of "worth" is, but now I can follow the drug lord instead of follow the cop. Then I'll lynch the drug lord.

The first day we really didn't know anything. Sure, Falzis was inconsistent and that appeared scummy to me but he went rogue in the previous game and was proven townie so I wasn't 100% sure Falzis was scum. Call it weak reasoning but he won the "Most Likely To Be Scum" award.

One of Curufinwe or CanucksDynasty is probably the remaining mafia because I don't think a mafia would have voted for his partner.

As I said, among the two remaining that voted for Mole, there is most likely the other mafia. Of those that voted for Falzis, there is at least 1 drug lord (and probably 2).

As for the other scum...that would most likely be Curufinwe.

I predict Curufinwe will say that CanucksDynasty is most likely to be scum.

By choosing either Curufinwe or CanucksDynasty, we have a 1 in 2 chance of lynching the remaining mafia, plus the additional chance that we pick the non-mafia to lynch and he ends up being a drug lord.

If we choose to lynch one of the players that voted for Falzis, we have a 2 in 4 chance of getting a drug lord (reduced to 1 in 4 if a drug lord voted for Mole, which I doubt).

[KevinH]

One of Curufinwe or CanucksDynasty is probably the remaining mafia because I don't think a mafia would have voted for his partner.

This bit raises an eyebrow.
It's very possible for scum to jump onto a wagon to lynch their scumbuddy and ride out the rest of the game. I'm not comfortable with instantly clearing everyone on the wagon.

Maybe, maybe not. There was a point when it was 4-4. A mafia voting for Falzis could have switched and voted for Mole and made the lynch. But they didn't.

Captain8Track switched from Mole to Falzis and secured the lynch of the mafia. His would be the case of lynching a scumbuddy to look townie and riding out the game. It's possible.

One other case: Mole could be mafia. The whole dialog between he and Falzis was for show. I really doubt it.

The thing to consider is that a mafia couldn't really pull it off because there are 2 drug lords that would know the truth. My money remains on one of Curufinwe or CanucksDynasty being mafia.

[Curufinwe]

No actually, I think that someone like KevinH is scum. He doesn't seem to have many ideas of his own, he just dissects and rewords others. Either that I would say that Captain8Track is scum, simply due to the fact that he was so defensive the first time, quite forceful, believeable yes, but could be trying to throw you off his tail.

[captain8track]

Right now my focus is on Mole. He started the focus on Falzis. Who wound up being a mafia.

The druggies know who the mafia are. Mole started the focus on Falzis, who was found to be mafia. What are the odds of that? (...about 25%.)

Still, the fact that he brought the focus, so early, towards someone who was eventually revealed to be mafia is a clue. This is exactly what a druggie would want to do.

It's a blatant move- quite possibly too blatant. It might just be an unfortunate coincidence for him. But what the hey, it's a sign, and somebody's gotta die. We've got too many ropes here.

So I haven't cast a vote just yet, but if I did, it'd probably be for Mole.

[Narsis]

No actually, I think that someone like KevinH is scum. He doesn't seem to have many ideas of his own, he just dissects and rewords others. Either that I would say that Captain8Track is scum, simply due to the fact that he was so defensive the first time, quite forceful, believeable yes, but could be trying to throw you off his tail.

now you see...this seems to come off as a bit over defensive/aggressive to me. granted that's not a scum tell in and of itself...but to me it feels like you are reaching...for anything. stop and take a moment to reread some of the thread and actually think about some of the stuff before you post it. posting based off of emotion/impulse gets the town no where...

[KevinH]

He doesn't seem to have many ideas of his own, he just dissects and rewords others.

Care to give some examples? Or are you scum trying to deflect onto somebody else?

Right now my focus is on Mole. He started the focus on Falzis. Who wound up being a mafia.

Mole could very well be a drug lord but he could also very well be an effective scum-hunting townie.

I said I thought that either CanucksDynasty or Curufinwe were mafia. Based on their responses, I'm going to put Curufinwe at the top of my list.

In addition to their responses, also consider the timing of Curufinwe's vote on Mole. Falzis (now a known mafia) was appearing scummy and collecting votes. Curufinwe attempted to save Falzis by switching his vote to Mole.

I'll put my vote behind my suspicion.

Vote: Curufinwe

[CanucksDynasty]

We have 3 townies: 2 druggies: 1 mafia left

Some scenarios to consider...
#1 - D2 lynch mafia, N2- druggies NK townie...left with 2 townies: 2 druggies = end game = druggies win.
#2 - D2 lynch druggie, N2 - mafia NK townie...left with 2 townie: 1 druggie: 1 mafia = D3 lynch
#3 - D2 lynch druggie, N2 - mafia NK druggie...left with 3 townies: 1 mafia = D3 lynch
#4 - D2 lynch townie, N2 - mafia NK townie...left with 1 townie: 2 druggies: 1 mafia = D3 lynch
#5 - D2 lynch townie, N2 - mafia NK druggie...left with 2 townies: 1 druggie: 1 mafia = D3 lynch

So as you can see...it would be best to try to lynch a druggie otherwise we'd lose if we lynch mafia.

So KevinH...I would advise you to unvote Cur as it would do no good for the town to kill off the mafia right now.
CD.

[KevinH]

I can't disagree with that!

Unvote: Curufinwe

I was also half-hoping I could get some band-waggoners to jump on my vote and accuse them of being druggies. No luck with that.

[molestargazer]

The druggies know who the mafia are. Mole started the focus on Falzis, who was found to be mafia. What are the odds of that? (...about 25%.)

For mafia, those are pretty good odds.
I don't know who the scum are. I picked up on Falzis for his aggressive and incorrect responses to my pressure vote, no more.

Still, the fact that he brought the focus, so early, towards someone who was eventually revealed to be mafia is a clue. This is exactly what a druggie would want to do.

Doesn't mean I'm a druggie.

It's a blatant move- quite possibly too blatant. It might just be an unfortunate coincidence for him. But what the hey, it's a sign, and somebody's gotta die. We've got too many ropes here.

So I haven't cast a vote just yet, but if I did, it'd probably be for Mole.

I don't like this bit.
You don't want to vote, but you believe my attack on Falzis was a BLATANT showing of my alignment?
No.

FoS: captain8track

I said I thought that either CanucksDynasty or Curufinwe were mafia. Based on their responses, I'm going to put Curufinwe at the top of my list.

In addition to their responses, also consider the timing of Curufinwe's vote on Mole. Falzis (now a known mafia) was appearing scummy and collecting votes. Curufinwe attempted to save Falzis by switching his vote to Mole.

I'm fine with this - however, could you please quote some of these 'responses' you find scummy and say why?

[Narsis]

We have 3 townies: 2 druggies: 1 mafia left

Some scenarios to consider...
#1 - D2 lynch mafia, N2- druggies NK townie...left with 2 townies: 2 druggies = end game = druggies win.
#2 - D2 lynch druggie, N2 - mafia NK townie...left with 2 townie: 1 druggie: 1 mafia = D3 lynch
#3 - D2 lynch druggie, N2 - mafia NK druggie...left with 3 townies: 1 mafia = D3 lynch
#4 - D2 lynch townie, N2 - mafia NK townie...left with 1 townie: 2 druggies: 1 mafia = D3 lynch
#5 - D2 lynch townie, N2 - mafia NK druggie...left with 2 townies: 1 druggie: 1 mafia = D3 lynch

So as you can see...it would be best to try to lynch a druggie otherwise we'd lose if we lynch mafia.

So KevinH...I would advise you to unvote Cur as it would do no good for the town to kill off the mafia right now.
CD.

to expand on this a bit more...we have to kill a druggie. if mafia is lynched, then we lose. if townie is lynched and townie is nk'd...we enter a modified kingmaker scenario where we lose anyway. if we kill a townie and a druggie is nk'd...the only way for the town to win then would be to go to a no lynch, hope that the mafia kills the druggie, and then hope that they guess right about who the mafia is.

so essentially...unless we kill a druggie today...the town loses.

[CanucksDynasty]

These are the people that voted (in order) for Falzis...

Electric Mango - dead townie
Molestargazer
KevinH
Narsis
captain8track

Most likely there are 2 druggies that voted for Falzis.
So we have a 50% chance in lynching a druggie.

[KevinH]

could you please quote some of these 'responses' you find scummy and say why?

My use of the plural was to include both CanucksDynasty and Curufinwe. I found Curufinwe's response scummier because it consisted of two very weak attacks.

I think that someone like KevinH is scum. He doesn't seem to have many ideas of his own, he just dissects and rewords others.

This is very weak. I've been more active than most and don't see where I ever reworded somebody else.
Examples of "ideas of my own" (most are obvious, but I was first to state the obvious):

• Drug dealers want to kill mafia without revealing they are drug dealers
• No-lynching is not a good option
• Mafia want to night-kill druggies
• There are parallels between druggies with info and cops with info

I would say that Captain8Track is scum, simply due to the fact that he was so defensive the first time, quite forceful, believeable yes, but could be trying to throw you off his tail.

Another weak argument here. Being defensive in response to being attacked is not scummy in my opinion. I'm certainly not defending Captain8Track and have my own suspicions on him based on the vote switch to lynch Falzis, but Curufinwe's reasoning was weak.

[Curufinwe]

Sorry my reasoning was 'weak' but that is the way that I word my arguements, I say stuff short and sweet. I really am too busy atm, but thought it was good to vote. If I had not put a reason I would have of been attacked and abused. But as it turned out I was anyway. I give up...

[captain8track]

Doesn't mean I'm a druggie.

That's not a convincing reply at all.

Me: "That's what a druggie would do."
You: "Doesn't prove I'm a druggie."



No. No it doesn't. But it is evidence.

I don't like this bit.
You don't want to vote, but you believe my attack on Falzis was a BLATANT showing of my alignment?
No.
FoS: captain8track

Alright, didn't know we could do that. I had no idea what FoS even meant. For anyone else like me, follow this link.

I don't know who the scum are. I picked up on Falzis for his aggressive and incorrect responses to my pressure vote, no more.

No. That's not true. You voted for Falzis with your "pressure vote." You went right to him. Your "pressure vote" was right on the money. That's either luck, or *exactly* what a druggie would do. I don't think you're that lucky.


My focus was split between you and Falzis last round. I went with him, and he turned out to be mafia. I think you're a druggie.




Vote: molestargazer