http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/world/iran-nuclear-talks/

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Hmmmm

 

 

You know what the US needs? Democracy. Real democracy. Not the plague/cholera devide you guys like to nurture so much. Which didn't start with Obama, neither did it get fixed well seeing all them reports of senate/congress gridlocks.

 

Come to belgium, we haven't gone into anarchy and we had no government for over 500 days. Come and learn what a compromise is, come and learn what it takes to listen to more then 2 parrots.

They need the Greek version of democracy 

 

everyone gets 3 pottery shards!

 

1 for naming the person to throw out

1 for naming the person to get in

1 for naming the person to get the next pottery shards!

 

Socrates game done

Hey Foxy, I read your piece on Libertarian Socialism and nope, Ron Paul is not that. There are a lot of "ism's" in there and many different versions, some of which make my stomach turn. You do know, nothing like that will ever occur here in the U.S. right? It's fantasy, and I hope you are only taking it as philosophy. You must be very unhappy with our government. I can see you in a couple decades as a tenured Professor at Berkeley, teaching Libertarian Socialism... locally adored, and nationally hated. I of course, could be dead or close to it by then. But I must tell you... I have had the greatest life. I should tell you about it sometime.

The victory in Vietnam and Iraq were strategic and solely militarily. Enemy combatants were wiped out and proved no more current threat. However, it was a hollow victory. Victory in Vietnam was achieved by killing and bombing the NVA enough to force them to the peace table. That's where the technicality part come sin because the war was won because of the racked up body count and the fact during the course of the war, the US never lost an engagement. But nevertheless, it was considered a hollow victory based on what happened in 1975.

Were the political goals achieved in Vietnam? I.e. to prevent the rise of communism? I don't think so, war is another tool to achieve political aims of a nation state. At the end of the day, Vietcong was willing to sacrifice more for their goals, US wasn't and they knew exactly that the weakness of US wasn't its military, but the lack of willingness of the electorate to digest rising casualties even if they were peanuts compared to Vietcong itself.

 

You don't win or loose based on technicality, but rather if the political objective was achieved or not. But that is my personal opinion.

 

 

About Iraq, to be honest, I have not figured out what that was about, what the goals were etc, remember, the soldiers were greeted by flowers, sent off by bombs, something went really really wrong in between.

 

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Don't leave Afghanistan completely, it'll end up worst than Iraq.

Edited April 6, 201511 yr by Shahenshah

Hey Foxy, I read your piece on Libertarian Socialism and nope, Ron Paul is not that. There are a lot of "ism's" in there and many different versions, some of which make my stomach turn. You do know, nothing like that will ever occur here in the U.S. right? It's fantasy, and I hope you are only taking it as philosophy. You must be very unhappy with our government. I can see you in a couple decades as a tenured Professor at Berkeley, teaching Libertarian Socialism... locally adored, and nationally hated. I of course, could be dead or close to it by then. But I must tell you... I have had the greatest life. I should tell you about it sometime.

I'm well aware. There aren't many Americans who share my political views, though I'm not liberal one every subject. Gun rights for example, I'm more in favor of than most Americans.

You showed me your hand. Those infamous words "through no fault of their own".

 

Sigh.

Please explain how being born in Shiraz in 1956, and moving to the UK in 1961 made her or her family responsible for the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

 

That is what I meant by "through no fault of their own", because you would not be upset over her personal origin if the Shah's family was still running the country.

Valerie Jarrett is Senior Advisor to Barack Obama, the worst President ever, (it was really hard to beat Jimmy Carter). I don't care if she was born in San Antonio, Texas and her parents owned a gun store. She is personally responsible for every wrong thing this man has done to my country, and everything he has not done to help it. It's not where she was born that upsets me... it's what she has done.

 

Barack Obama doesn't know what moves the USA. I heard him complaining once that he "never had his megaphone moment". He's talking about when George W. was not really embraced as President until he stood on that rubble after 9/11 and did the "we hear you" speech. One instance that Obama had that would make the country love him was with Andrew Tahmooressi, an American Vet that lost his way, ended up on the Mexican side of the border, and had 3 legally owned guns in his car. He was arrested and sat in a Mexican prison for 214 days, before Greta Van Sustren and Montel Williams created enough pressure to get him released. Stupid Obama, with one phone call, could have stuck up for his soldier and got him the hell out of there. But no, didn't lift a finger.

Valerie Jarrett is Senior Advisor to Barack Obama, the worst President ever, (it was really hard to beat Jimmy Carter). I don't care if she was born in San Antonio, Texas and her parents owned a gun store. She is personally responsible for every wrong thing this man has done to my country, and everything he has not done to help it. It's not where she was born that upsets me... it's what she has done.

 

That's fine - it was just really strange to bring up where she was born as if it was actually important regarding your disagreements with her political actions.

 

Even if we subscribed to the notion that people were inherently biased in favor of where they lived while 0-4 years old, it would have been subtle support for Iran as it existed under the Pahlavi dynasty (i.e. the place where women's suffrage and non-Muslim rights were introduced over the complaints of the imams, where the Ayatollah Khomenei was exiled from for 15 years, and the Shia clergy had been stripped of their control over family law), which is to say, not modern Iran.