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[Road2Victory]

Sure I can elaborate, 8 more years of Obama would be awesome. 

Seriously? 

I would be better off living in Canada rather than having him for another 8 years. Screw that 

 

I am voting for Vermin Supreme 2016, even CC supports me

[Zacch]

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

[Road2Victory]

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

I could tell you many things but tell me why you like him? 

 

1. His health care policy-just a plan old mess from the start. 

2. His foreign affairs agenda especially dealing with terrorist groups and the exchange of prisoners for one soldiers, and also including Benghazi and the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq. 

3. He made the government debt grow bigger than he took the office 8 years ago. That means paying more taxes.

 

For me the foreign affairs is the one that concerns me the most, especially in the Middle East. 

[Lanyaie]

 

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

I could tell you many things but tell me why you like him? 

 

1. His health care policy-just a plan old mess from the start. 

2. His foreign affairs agenda especially dealing with terrorist groups and the exchange of prisoners for one soldiers, and also including Benghazi and the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq. 

3. He made the government debt grow bigger than he took the office 8 years ago. That means paying more taxes.

 

For me the foreign affairs is the one that concerns me the most, especially in the Middle East. 

 

 

I missed that one...
After reading up on that, that sounds incredibly stupid. Basically saying"Capture more of our soldiers if you want to free some terrorist"

What's his going rate? 1 soldier 10 terrorists? 

Edited by Lanyaie, 15 April 2015 - 12:07 AM.

[Zacch]

 

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

I could tell you many things but tell me why you like him? 

 

1. His health care policy-just a plan old mess from the start. 

2. His foreign affairs agenda especially dealing with terrorist groups and the exchange of prisoners for one soldiers, and also including Benghazi and the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq. 

3. He made the government debt grow bigger than he took the office 8 years ago. That means paying more taxes.

For me the foreign affairs is the one that concerns me the most, especially in the Middle East. 

 

 

 

1. So a 30% reduction in the number of uninsured is a bad thing? Uninsured rate has dropped from roughly 18% to 11%.

Morally, its the right thing to do, it's disgusting to think there is anyone in this country without basic health coverage.

Economically, it saves tax payers money, you do realize it costs more to pay for uninsured medical expenses than it costs to give subsidized coverage.

 

2. Why the hell are we even in the middle east, why don't we stop being the world police with the badass military and focus that energy internally on issue like education, poverty and healthcare (Yes it can be better like 100% subsidized better).

 

3. Your wrong, the deficit as a percentage of GDP has decreased every year since 2009.  See http://www.cbo.gov/publication/49973

[Political Fury]

1.  Obamacare is very expensive and is going to starve our economy.  Socializing a major part of the American Economy is not a good thing, it should not have been done.  This legislation puts the federal government between a doctor and his or her patient.  If it interests you, congressional investigators using aliases were able to attain subsidized healthcare under obamacare as part of a probe of the law.  These findings will be coming out soon so that will be interesting. 

2.  If steps are not taken to defeat ISIS we will have another 9/11 on our hands and no one wants to see that happen.

3. Seriously?  The deficit has decreased?  Obama has increased the deficit within his first term more than any other president in history did during the entire two terms.

[Zacch]

1.  Obamacare is very expensive and is going to starve our economy.  Socializing a major part of the American Economy is not a good thing, it should not have been done.  This legislation puts the federal government between a doctor and his or her patient.  If it interests you, congressional investigators using aliases were able to attain subsidized healthcare under obamacare as part of a probe of the law.  These findings will be coming out soon so that will be interesting. 

2.  If steps are not taken to defeat ISIS we will have another 9/11 on our hands and no one wants to see that happen.

3. Seriously?  The deficit has decreased?  Obama has increased the deficit within his first term more than any other president in history did during the entire two terms.

 

1. Show me the facts, and explain how the health care exchanges is socialism.

2. Isis is losing ground in iraq, let Iran finish them off.

3. See link from CBO. Deficit has decreased every year, facts are facts buddy.

1.  Obamacare is very expensive and is going to starve our economy.  Socializing a major part of the American Economy is not a good thing, it should not have been done.  This legislation puts the federal government between a doctor and his or her patient.  If it interests you, congressional investigators using aliases were able to attain subsidized healthcare under obamacare as part of a probe of the law.  These findings will be coming out soon so that will be interesting. 

2.  If steps are not taken to defeat ISIS we will have another 9/11 on our hands and no one wants to see that happen.

3. Seriously?  The deficit has decreased?  Obama has increased the deficit within his first term more than any other president in history did during the entire two terms.

 

 

Where are the facts, you say you want a constructive debate yet all you bring me are opinions.

[Zacch]

Also how does it put the government between you and your doctor when your buying insurance from a private insurer?

[Road2Victory]

 

 

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

I could tell you many things but tell me why you like him? 

 

1. His health care policy-just a plan old mess from the start. 

2. His foreign affairs agenda especially dealing with terrorist groups and the exchange of prisoners for one soldiers, and also including Benghazi and the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq. 

3. He made the government debt grow bigger than he took the office 8 years ago. That means paying more taxes.

 

For me the foreign affairs is the one that concerns me the most, especially in the Middle East. 

 

 

I missed that one...
After reading up on that, that sounds incredibly stupid. Basically saying"Capture more of our soldiers if you want to free some terrorist"

What's his going rate? 1 soldier 10 terrorists? 

 

I think its a lot higher. 

 

There were a lot of Guatonomo Bay prisoners that were released. I can't remember but I think you are right about that

 

The only thing that just sickens me is trading a deserter for 5 important terrorists? 

 

At least he got charged for desertion by the army but  I don't think that's enough. 

[Road2Victory]

 

 

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

I could tell you many things but tell me why you like him? 

 

1. His health care policy-just a plan old mess from the start. 

2. His foreign affairs agenda especially dealing with terrorist groups and the exchange of prisoners for one soldiers, and also including Benghazi and the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq. 

3. He made the government debt grow bigger than he took the office 8 years ago. That means paying more taxes.

For me the foreign affairs is the one that concerns me the most, especially in the Middle East. 

 

 

 

1. So a 30% reduction in the number of uninsured is a bad thing? Uninsured rate has dropped from roughly 18% to 11%.

Morally, its the right thing to do, it's disgusting to think there is anyone in this country without basic health coverage.

Economically, it saves tax payers money, you do realize it costs more to pay for uninsured medical expenses than it costs to give subsidized coverage.

 

2. Why the hell are we even in the middle east, why don't we stop being the world police with the badass military and focus that energy internally on issue like education, poverty and healthcare (Yes it can be better like 100% subsidized better).

 

3. Your wrong, the deficit as a percentage of GDP has decreased every year since 2009.  See http://www.cbo.gov/publication/49973

 

Ever heard of the phrase "peace through strength" I know PF would like this quote because  I am referring to a Reagan speech. 1. we are in the middle east because of oil. Thats the obvious answer, we wouldn't do most of our stuff without driving cars and instead sitting on horses like a lame duck. 2. We protect our own national interests thus respecting those who fight and serve abroad.

 

Secondly, you do know that we have to pay that money back within a certain amount of time. 

[Zacch]

There have only been 5 years of surplus in the past 50 years. That money aignt getting "paid back". And while we are at it Obama didn't even cause the deficit. The deficit went from 2% GDP to 10% GDP as a result of 2008 financial crash which Obama had nothing to do with.

 

 

 

Why not?

What has Obama done that has negatively impacted the general public? 

I could tell you many things but tell me why you like him? 

 

1. His health care policy-just a plan old mess from the start. 

2. His foreign affairs agenda especially dealing with terrorist groups and the exchange of prisoners for one soldiers, and also including Benghazi and the withdrawal of American troops in Iraq. 

3. He made the government debt grow bigger than he took the office 8 years ago. That means paying more taxes.

For me the foreign affairs is the one that concerns me the most, especially in the Middle East. 

 

 

 

1. So a 30% reduction in the number of uninsured is a bad thing? Uninsured rate has dropped from roughly 18% to 11%.

Morally, its the right thing to do, it's disgusting to think there is anyone in this country without basic health coverage.

Economically, it saves tax payers money, you do realize it costs more to pay for uninsured medical expenses than it costs to give subsidized coverage.

 

2. Why the hell are we even in the middle east, why don't we stop being the world police with the badass military and focus that energy internally on issue like education, poverty and healthcare (Yes it can be better like 100% subsidized better).

 

3. Your wrong, the deficit as a percentage of GDP has decreased every year since 2009.  See http://www.cbo.gov/publication/49973

 

Ever heard of the phrase "peace through strength" I know PF would like this quote because  I am referring to a Reagan speech. 1. we are in the middle east because of oil. Thats the obvious answer, we wouldn't do most of our stuff without driving cars and instead sitting on horses like a lame duck. 2. We protect our own national interests thus respecting those who fight and serve abroad.

 

Secondly, you do know that we have to pay that money back within a certain amount of time. 

 

 

 

Still waiting to hear your facts........

[Road2Victory]

 

 

And you don't believe this as well: http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/

 

How are government is in 18 trillion dollars in debt too? 

[Zacch]

Do you understand what deficit means? 

[DeathMerchant]

Seems to me there is a misunderstanding between deficit and the national debt.

[Zacch]

Yes national debt is created by deficit. 

[Lysistrata]

Greetings Zacch. Deficit is how much is spent over budget. This creates debt. Many Democrats, such as yourself, want to say that because George W. Bush approved the 2009 budget before he left office, that it's his fault that Nancy, Harry, and Barry spent like drunken sailors. Now if you have a budget that W. approved, and Obama spends over 300% of that budget, you get a massive debt. It's Obama that spent the money. Now if Obama approves a budget at his new "over 300%" number and only spends over 150% of that number... he just cut the deficit a whopping 50%!!! You're pushing lies.

 

When Obama took office the debt was about 10 trillion... now it's over 18 trillion and 2 years to go. You can't spin that.

[Niels]

 

 

So lets hear your reasoning as to why you expect America will chose Obama 2.0? America made it clear in the 2014 Senate and Representatives election that they do not want Democrats running our government. What makes it so obvious that by 2016 people will want a liberal extremist in the office again?

 

Choose your poll aggregation, and you'll see what the preponderance of the evidence is:

 

RealClearPolitics

Wikipedia

 

Polling 18 months away is meaningless. The only thing substantial about it right now is Hillary is running as an unopposed Democrat and cannot get passed the 50% mark against anyone. That tells you something.

 

 

I'm not sure how to parse this statement: is the polling meaningless, or is it meaningful (because Hillary is <50%)?

[Lysistrata]

It means that's the only thing you can get from polling right now that says something.

Everyone knows who Hillary Clinton is. The Republican candidates are vastly unknown at this time.

 

Edit: Only political junkies like you and me really know everyone.

Edited by Lysistrata, 15 April 2015 - 03:25 AM.

[Zacch]

Greetings Zacch. Deficit is how much is spent over budget. This creates debt. Many Democrats, such as yourself, want to say that because George W. Bush approved the 2009 budget before he left office, that it's his fault that Nancy, Harry, and Barry spent like drunken sailors. Now if you have a budget that W. approved, and Obama spends over 300% of that budget, you get a massive debt. It's Obama that spent the money. Now if Obama approves a budget at his new "over 300%" number and only spends over 150% of that number... he just cut the deficit a whopping 50%!!! You're pushing lies.

 

When Obama took office the debt was about 10 trillion... now it's over 18 trillion and 2 years to go. You can't spin that.

 

 

Umm no its generally accepted that the 2009 budget is owned by bush.

[Niels]

It means that's the only thing you can get from polling right now that says something.

Everyone knows who Hillary Clinton is. The Republican candidtes are vastly unknown at this time.

 

I agree that the potential Republican challengers are less well known, but they do have their own issues with popularity, as shown in this chart.

Hillary's polling is not that strong, but at least compared to all so-far announced Republican challengers, her
(Favorable rating) - (Unfavorable rating) > 0

My understanding is that Dr. Ben Carson will be announcing his candidacy next month, and unlike the Republicans announced so far, this inequality is also true for him.  He seems to have a compelling life story, though like VP Biden, has a tendency to say gaffe-like things.  Has also made some statements indicating less-than-full support for gun rights in the past.  Will be interesting to see how he holds up with additional attention.