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[emudevelopment]

Of the potential(and likely) GOP candidates there is none whom I would wish to fully endorse though of course I would have to choose one. I consider my self a fiscal conservative(Considering the obliteration of our social policy.) but socially liberal.  It seems that social liberals have been on the right side of history for quite a long time (They Opposed Slavery, Supported The End Of Segregattion, Represented Workers, and over all protect minorities from a predjudiced and misinformed majority). The real GOP would be on the right side of history and would also be intellegent with fiscal policy. Perhaps hillary should look into Reaganomics. I wish there was a political party that was a mix of the two.

[Lysistrata]

 

Umm no its generally accepted that the 2009 budget is owned by bush.

Accepted by people that want to shovel horseshit. That's why you guys always want to talk deficit and never about debt. Deficit is a number that changes yearly, and you have had a Republican House since 2010 to bring that baby down. If it was up to Obama, he would still have Digbat Nancy in there approving sky high budgets.

[kwn344]

Dec 1979 / Jan 1980 Presidential poll.

 

Regan 31%

Carter 62%

 

I think we all know what happened there....We ended up with one of the best Presidents the USA has ever had.

 

[Lysistrata]

Of the potential(and likely) GOP candidates there is none whom I would wish to fully endorse though of course I would have to choose one. I consider my self a fiscal conservative(Considering the obliteration of our social policy.) but socially liberal.  It seems that social liberals have been on the right side of history for quite a long time (They Opposed Slavery, Supported The End Of Segregattion, Represented Workers, and over all protect minorities from a predjudiced and misinformed majority). The real GOP would be on the right side of history and would also be intellegent with fiscal policy. Perhaps hillary should look into Reaganomics. I wish there was a political party that was a mix of the two.

This is a very depressing post. Republicans abolished slavery, and fought a very ugly war to do it.

[emudevelopment]

 

Of the potential(and likely) GOP candidates there is none whom I would wish to fully endorse though of course I would have to choose one. I consider my self a fiscal conservative(Considering the obliteration of our social policy.) but socially liberal.  It seems that social liberals have been on the right side of history for quite a long time (They Opposed Slavery, Supported The End Of Segregattion, Represented Workers, and over all protect minorities from a predjudiced and misinformed majority). The real GOP would be on the right side of history and would also be intellegent with fiscal policy. Perhaps hillary should look into Reaganomics. I wish there was a political party that was a mix of the two.

This is a very depressing post. Republicans abolished slavery, and fought a very ugly war to do it.

 

Liberals Abolished Slavery. Now we can claim 'Lilcon was a republican therefore the party must be the same now as it was' but then we would be kidding ourselves. For those of us who are confused liberal does not apply to democrats(though that is the idealology they have adopted) it merely applies to certain set of ideals. Prior to the late 1900s the republican party was actually the liberal party while democrats represented the conservative ideals. The republican party has done great things I consider my self a republican but with the current flawed interpertation of conservative ideals that some of our canidates boast in order to excite a radical southern base is unnerving. Conservatives believe in low taxes, low government spending. We believe in a smaller government. We also believe in the protection of minorities. We are not a christian idealology as so many think but instead an idealogy that would strike down laws that the republican party today proposes (DOMA for example). as government overreach. We represent a ideal that would accept all and would not force our selves on to others. We endorse the truly best ways to stimulate economic growth. What is happening to the republican party is not conservative. What I and more people should start doing is not identifying with a party but a idealogy. Not cast a vote based on whether someone is a repbulican or democrat but instead based upon our belief structure not the confines of the ones setforth by those with biases. I'm a conservative not a republican.

[Lysistrata]

The Republican Party abolished slavery. Why? Because people are not property. It has nothing to do with skin color. No one should get special treatment because of skin color... No One. DOMA was Bill Clinton's baby. No one should be forced to participate in anyone's marriage. My god, who is teaching our kids this garbage.

[Niels]

The Republican Party abolished slavery. Why? Because people are not property. It has nothing to do with skin color. No one should get special treatment because of skin color... No One. DOMA was Bill Clinton's baby. No one should be forced to participate in anyone's marriage. My god, who is teaching our kids this garbage.

 

DOMA may have been signed by Bill Clinton (who has since repudiated it), but since 2002, 11 attempts have been made to introduce an amendment to the Constitution banning same-sex marriage.  Of those 11 attempts, 10 were made by Republican politicians.  Does this tell you anything?

[onbekende]

 

 

And you don't believe this as well: http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/

 

How are government is in 18 trillion dollars in debt too? 

not to be annoying, but as a math/graph liker, I see the red bars going for an incline and the blue bars do a leveling off.

 

or to say in in real math terms, the republicans do convex, democrats do concave.

 

which comes down to, for EU style sake, republicans are socialists who spent money that isn't there while democrats are liberals who cut money to everything. Neither is a good thing btw, NEITHER!

[emudevelopment]

The Republican Party abolished slavery. Why? Because people are not property. It has nothing to do with skin color. No one should get special treatment because of skin color... No One. DOMA was Bill Clinton's baby. No one should be forced to participate in anyone's marriage. My god, who is teaching our kids this garbage.

http://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Democrats-used-the-be-the-conservative-party-and-the-Republicans-used-to-be-the-progressive-party

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/conservative-house-republicans-are-furious-about-the-doma-ruling/277252/

http://russp.us/racism.htm

Fact: During the Civil War era, the "Radical Republicans" were
given that name because they wanted to not only end slavery but also to
endow the freed slaves with full citizenship, equality, and
rights.

Yes, that was indeed a radical idea at the time!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x970958

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_republican.html

Who's Teaching You?

[Third King]

1.  Obamacare is very expensive and is going to starve our economy.  Socializing a major part of the American Economy is not a good thing, it should not have been done.  This legislation puts the federal government between a doctor and his or her patient.  If it interests you, congressional investigators using aliases were able to attain subsidized healthcare under obamacare as part of a probe of the law.  These findings will be coming out soon so that will be interesting. 

2.  If steps are not taken to defeat ISIS we will have another 9/11 on our hands and no one wants to see that happen.

3. Seriously?  The deficit has decreased?  Obama has increased the deficit within his first term more than any other president in history did during the entire two terms.

 

1. The first part of your statement is pure speculation. It will take years to accurately measure the macroeconomic effects of this policy change. Given the economic success of other developed nations with similar healthcare plans, we will have to wait and see what effects this will have on the American economy. I don't know about the patient-doctor thing, since I rarely go

2. Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11. ISIS and AQ differ greatly in their wants, strategies, means, beliefs, even generational appeals. 

3. Let's not forget that Obama took office at the beginning of a huge economic recession. Democrats and Republicans alike who understand Keynesian economics know why government spending to stimulate the economy in the short run is about all you can do to stop the bleeding. 

 

Greetings Zacch. Deficit is how much is spent over budget. This creates debt. Many Democrats, such as yourself, want to say that because George W. Bush approved the 2009 budget before he left office, that it's his fault that Nancy, Harry, and Barry spent like drunken sailors. Now if you have a budget that W. approved, and Obama spends over 300% of that budget, you get a massive debt. It's Obama that spent the money. Now if Obama approves a budget at his new "over 300%" number and only spends over 150% of that number... he just cut the deficit a whopping 50%!!! You're pushing lies.

 

When Obama took office the debt was about 10 trillion... now it's over 18 trillion and 2 years to go. You can't spin that.

 

It always fascinates me how the national debt is such a politically charged topic, when economically speaking it means very little.

[Lysistrata]

Hey TK, there is a lot of truth to your comment about the debt. It's being treated as so much fairy dust. Where things go horribly wrong is that it is real debt. Someone, or some thing, bought the Treasury bonds to carry that debt. This is why so many people want an audit of the Federal Reserve. Who on earth would risk so much money on such a bad investment? Well you're right... no one. So the Federal Reserve is just printing money to carry the debt of the nation. There will be a reckoning, and if we do not control that reckoning, our entire economy will collapse over night and it will make the mortgage bubble of 2008 seem like a Sunday picnic. The only reason we are able to get away with this debt is the U.S. dollar is recognized as the world reserve currency. If the world decides that the dollar isn't worth anyhing anymore... the party is over.

 

Thank you for posting some of that emudevelopment... some of it because a couple of those links are to left wing bomb throwers... don't believe everything you read on the internet. Republicans abolished slavery, and the only thing Abraham Lincoln was liberal with was killing Democrats. He killed a lot of Democrats. Many liberals call Republicans racist because we are strongly against Affirmative Action. We don't believe in giving an advantage to anyone because of skin color. Many liberals say we are against women, because we don't believe in taxpayer funded abortion. You can kill your kids if you want... but I'm not paying for it. DOMA is all about protecting family security. We believe in personal responsibility. You can do whatever you want with whoever you want, but you will not force people into participation in what they believe is immoral. They have the right to believe what they choose, and they should not have to hide behind a religion for protection. These are social issues that are pumped up by the left for traction, they are not important to me at all.

[emudevelopment]

Hey TK, there is a lot of truth to your comment about the debt. It's being treated as so much fairy dust. Where things go horribly wrong is that it is real debt. Someone, or some thing, bought the Treasury bonds to carry that debt. This is why so many people want an audit of the Federal Reserve. Who on earth would risk so much money on such a bad investment? Well you're right... no one. So the Federal Reserve is just printing money to carry the debt of the nation. There will be a reckoning, and if we do not control that reckoning, our entire economy will collapse over night and it will make the mortgage bubble of 2008 seem like a Sunday picnic. The only reason we are able to get away with this debt is the U.S. dollar is recognized as the world reserve currency. If the world decides that the dollar isn't worth anyhing anymore... the party is over.

 

Thank you for posting some of that emudevelopment... some of it because a couple of those links are to left wing bomb throwers... don't believe everything you read on the internet. Republicans abolished slavery, and the only thing Abraham Lincoln was liberal with was killing Democrats. He killed a lot of Democrats. Many liberals call Republicans racist because we are strongly against Affirmative Action. We don't believe in giving an advantage to anyone because of skin color. Many liberals say we are against women, because we don't believe in taxpayer funded abortion. You can kill your kids if you want... but I'm not paying for it. DOMA is all about protecting family security. We believe in personal responsibility. You can do whatever you want with whoever you want, but you will not force people into participation in what they believe is immoral. They have the right to believe what they choose, and they should not have to hide behind a religion for protection. These are social issues that are pumped up by the left for traction, they are not important to me at all.

You cant simply yell the term left wing bomb thrower and the arguments become irrelevant. Ask university profesors in history and look up the definition of liberal. A liberal is someone who accepts the change of the norm. I would love to support all of our descisions in the republican party but the first step to solving a problem is recognizing their is one. Our fiscal policy is much better than that of our more liberal friends. The republican party has done great things but some of our new social beliefs are disheartning. The way to countinue the policy is to be ignorant. Your view on DOMA is incorrect it doesnt 'protect families' Here is what it does do:

The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) (Pub.L.
104–199, 110 Stat. 2419, enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28
U.S.C. § 1738C) is a United States federal law that allows states to
refuse to recognize same-sex marriages granted under the laws of other
states

Also would you like to see some of our party members views on inter-racial marriage?

http://www.alternet.org/story/150569/what_shocking_new_polls_on_republican_attitudes_toward_slavery,_interracial_marriage_say_about_the_modern_gop

 

I dislike affirmative action as-well I think it is a poor policy that is ineffective and racist in itself we have that one right but our views on Gay Marriage are completely wrong as-well as some of our restrictions on voting. Preserving the past can be a good thing but somethings need to change. Vote GOP, and work to fix it.

[Lysistrata]

Like I said before, social issues mean nothing to me. I believe marriage should be taken out of the law. I didn't marry my wife so the government can recognize our relationship. You want gay marriage? Welcome to gay divorce. Where things go wrong is attempting to make it a crime for feeling. It's not a crime to hate, and I don't understand how on earth anyone can believe we can legislate emotion.

 

"Shocking New Polls On Republican Attitudes Toward Slavery"? You don't think this is a left wing bomb thrower? There is no such thing as slavery in the USA. This is totally offensive. The Federal Government was moving to abolish slavery and the southern states claimed states rights as justification to continue the institution of slavery. They lost. End of story.

 

One issue you brought up that I care about... "some of our restrictions on voting". What restrictions? Citizenship? Identification?

What do you see as too much to ask?

[emudevelopment]

Like I said before, social issues mean nothing to me. I believe marriage should be taken out of the law. I didn't marry my wife so the government can recognize our relationship. You want gay marriage? Welcome to gay divorce. Where things go wrong is attempting to make it a crime for feeling. It's not a crime to hate, and I don't understand how on earth anyone can believe we can legislate emotion.

 

"Shocking New Polls On Republican Attitudes Toward Slavery"? You don't think this is a left wing bomb thrower? There is no such thing as slavery in the USA. This is totally offensive. The Federal Government was moving to abolish slavery and the southern states claimed states rights as justification to continue the institution of slavery. They lost. End of story.

 

One issue you brought up that I care about... "some of our restrictions on voting". What restrictions? Citizenship? Identification?

What do you see as too much to ask?

I am not attacking you. If you dont care about social issues thats fine but I do not wish to vote for people with such flawed ideas of what is acceptable socially. That may very well be your view but is something that the very people you have said you shall vote for run off of. I dont want to legislate emotion but apparently others in the republican party do. On your middle argument read the actual article. This is not saying people want to reinstate slavery it is just showing an amazing social correlation between conservatives and racial hatred. And lastly on voting restrictions.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/voting-rights-november-voter-suppression-states

Though of course that article is a leftwing bom thrower as-well.

[Third King]

Hey TK, there is a lot of truth to your comment about the debt. It's being treated as so much fairy dust. Where things go horribly wrong is that it is real debt. Someone, or some thing, bought the Treasury bonds to carry that debt. This is why so many people want an audit of the Federal Reserve. Who on earth would risk so much money on such a bad investment? Well you're right... no one. So the Federal Reserve is just printing money to carry the debt of the nation. There will be a reckoning, and if we do not control that reckoning, our entire economy will collapse over night and it will make the mortgage bubble of 2008 seem like a Sunday picnic. The only reason we are able to get away with this debt is the U.S. dollar is recognized as the world reserve currency. If the world decides that the dollar isn't worth anyhing anymore... the party is over.

 

Owning debt on the U.S. is a bad investment? I would argue just the opposite. Even if the Euro does replace the greenback in oil trade, the U.S. still consistently puts up extraordinarily high numbers of GDP, patents, and attracted foreign investment. 

 

As my Chinese econ professor once put it: as long as someone's willing to buy it, America can issue debt as it pleases. Global equilibrium. Same for trade deficit, too.

[Blade 619]

Why is is that politics is destroyed by nothing more than party politics. If you're red you'll vote red, if you're blue you'll vote blue... very few people will ever vote for both parties in their life times.

[Lysistrata]

Why is is that politics is destroyed by nothing more than party politics. If you're red you'll vote red, if you're blue you'll vote blue... very few people will ever vote for both parties in their life times.

Leave it to Blade to step in and say the most completely true post in this thread. You make my day Sir. Please emu... do yourself a favor and stop reading left wing trash. I'm so sick of them trying to tell everyone how I feel. I do not read right wing trash, I know the difference. Going back to an earlier discussion, the worst thing Obama did to this country was he ended the process of Congress working together. When he started the "my way or the highway" approach to governing, he lost all hope of having a successful presidency.

[Khandov]

Hilary's candidacy seems to be hilarious. Plough Hilary. If they want real Red, they should get Lizzy. Democrat's only sensible choice is Biden. As for GOP... they have big yes and often big noes, but I seem to watch too little CNN to care enough about noes.

[Niels]

..., and the only thing Abraham Lincoln was liberal with was killing Democrats. He killed a lot of Democrats.

 

Sigh.

Abraham Lincoln signed the first progressive income tax in the United States into law in 1862.

 

We get that you're a Republican, we get that you're conservative.  It just seems really odd that you think that the Republican Party is, and always has been, the conservative party in the United States, when that is demonstrably not true.

 

In 1912 and 1924, left-wing Republicans broke from the rest of the party to create temporary Progressive parties; these ran to the left of Republicans, and Democrats at the time.

 

The 1960 Republican Party platform makes use of the words "Liberal" and "Progressive" in favorable light:

"The Federal government must constantly strengthen its career service and must be truly progressive as an employer."
"Progressive Republican policies of the past seven years have resulted in reduced costs, decentralization of postal operations, liberal pay, ..."

 

 

There's nothing wrong with being a conservative, but the brand loyalty (and yes, the parties are just brands that constantly re-invent themselves) seems unwarranted.  Yes, once the Democratic Party was associated with support for slavery and Jim Crow; now neither party holds that space.  Once the Republican Party was in favor of isolationism, but, as evidenced by both Republican and Democratic administrations engaging in foreign uses of the military since the 1940s, this is also not a position held by either group any more.

[Lysistrata]

Abraham Lincoln knew full well that waging war costs money, that's something that George W. Bush forgot to consider. It was the first income tax and was intended to just pay for the war. Once the government got the taste of taxing and spending it was a lost cause to try to put that genie back in the bottle. There is nothing liberal about taxing income to pay for a war against your own country, it all seems so stupid now, but I guess it had to happen. So many died.

 

It's no secret that the combined efforts of Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson screwed the pooch, and everything was downhill from there. I have never been against taxation. That's just rediculous. I am against spending money on anything that we don't tax enough to cover. I am firmly in favor of a balanced budget amendment and everyone paying their "fair share". Flat tax or a consumption tax needs to happen. People care about how much they tax when they have to kick in.