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[Rhizoctonia]

 

That being said. No one ruined his career, he did that to himself. He cheated on his wife and supplied classified information on meetings and undercover agents to her.

 

It's not illegal to cheat on your wife... ask Bill Clinton. Obama was afraid the General would run against him in 2012, so he offered him a job as CIA Director to get him to Washington and pull him in close. Then he was afraid he would run for VP with Mitt Romney. Then the blow point was when Benghazi happened and he wouldn't carry his water, so his henchman Eric Holder indicted him for sharing his calendar with his girlfriend. Yes... THEY ruined his career.

 

 

 

Dude...He showed his "lover" classified information that not only he shouldn't of kept, but especially not showing them to her.  He plead guilty to it.  Why do you condemn Clinton and stand up for Petraeus?  They basically did the same thing, all dealing with Classified information...one showing his mistress, the other using a private server.  Both mishandled the information, both should get their due punishment.  Don't get me wrong, I hate Clinton, and as I said I hope she gets the book thrown at her, but I'm not going to sit here and defend Petraeus just because I like him when he mishandled classified information and plead guilty.  If you're going to place guilt on one person, at least place unbiased to all sides.  

 

You throw out Bill Clinton cheating on Hillary like he's scum..."just ask Bill Clinton,"  yet do not share such hate for Petraeus who did the same thing.  Personally, I lose respect for anyone who cheats on their wife, not that it mattered much as I didn't have much respect for Bill in the first place, but it certainly is nothing I will stand up for Petraeus for doing.  

 

Petraeus was a great man, a great general, and someone I will always thank for what he's done for my country.  But his resume and accomplishments doesn't exclude nor remove him cheating on his wife, and him mishandling and sharing classified information to his mistress.  He messed up, he got his punishment, just as Hillary did, and now we wait to see if her punishment if any, fits the crime.  

 

Republican's have a much bigger issue then Hillary Clinton atm anyway.  The way the GOP is going, it doesn't matter if Hillary gets steamrolled by the Feds and ruin her run for Presidency, because if they don't get their acts straight, Bernie Sanders or some other Democrat will win with Hillary gone.  To be quite frank, Trump can hand the Democrats the win if he decides to run independent.  I like Trump for his no filter, no PC bullshit that everyone else is afraid of.  That being said, all I feel Trump is trying to do is manhandle his way through this all by threatening the possibility of running independent if he's  "not treated fairly."  What's being treated fairly?  He's already attacked someone for asking tough questions to him...so he obviously want's softball questions thrown his way, and leaving the threat out there that if you don't do it, I'll screw the GOP over by running independent.  Sure, he got thrown the more loaded questions at the debate comparably to the other candidates....but deal with it?  If he can't handle people asking him the tough questions now, how does he plan to handle when the Democrats really get started ramping up their mudslinging if he is the candidate, or future debates.  Is he just going to come off saying they are all ragging too, or make more material for the other side to eat up and turn around on him.  He's literally killing the GOP party by even being involved, as he's doing nothing for attracting independents and democrats to look to swing Republican. 

[Lysistrata]

I agree with you Sir, but to prosecute Patraeus for sharing "Confidential" information and not prosecute Hillary for sharing "Top Secret" information would be just wrong. We don't know who, how deep, or how many are involved yet, but we already know it's more than a girlfriend. This really all started coming down after Sidney Blumenthal had to show his emails... obviously there was something there that should not have been there.

 

As for Trump... I'm not worried about him right now. It's too early and even Trump would destroy Bernie Sanders. That would be historic. The 73 year old socialist up against the most famous capitalist. That would be just bizarre. The Republicans have the strongest field I have ever seen and it's a shame we're gonna have to trim it down soon. I feel Rick Perry will be the first of the big ones to fall.

[Duderonomy]

I agree with you Sir, but to prosecute Patraeus for sharing "Confidential" information and not prosecute Hillary for sharing "Top Secret" information would be just wrong. We don't know who, how deep, or how many are involved yet, but we already know it's more than a girlfriend. This really all started coming down after Sidney Blumenthal had to show his emails... obviously there was something there that should not have been there.

 

As for Trump... I'm not worried about him right now. It's too early and even Trump would destroy Bernie Sanders. That would be historic. The 73 year old socialist up against the most famous capitalist. That would be just bizarre. The Republicans have the strongest field I have ever seen and it's a shame we're gonna have to trim it down soon. I feel Rick Perry will be the first of the big ones to fall.

Please don't call Trump a capitalist. A kleptocrat, maybe, but his style of Madoff "business acumen" is responsible for the U.S.'s decline. Income inequality and personal debt is the greatest it has ever been because Con Men are running American business. Everyone is so busy screwing each other over that they forget that the ultimate responsibility of business is to serve their customers, not to enrich its management. I measure an executive by the strength of his company, not on his wealth. Wealth is worthless as a measure of power. Having a group of people (aka a BUSINESS) working cohesively for goals that you set, that is power.

 

Perry has had to stay out of the limelight for too long due to controversial statements he made in the past, especially related to Texas's "secession". If he really wants Texas to leave the Union, why the hell does he want to be U.S. president?

[Shahenshah]

I don't see anyone pushing for investigations against Rumsfeld, Cheney or Dubya for the multiple debacles in Iraq. We can also see obvious side tracking of email issue. It seems the 1% are above the law even in USA.

[Duderonomy]

I don't see anyone pushing for investigations against Rumsfeld, Cheney or Dubya for the multiple debacles in Iraq. We can also see obvious side tracking of email issue. It seems the 1% are above the law even in USA.

Just because something is shit, doesn't mean you should leave it alone.

 

As for the Iraq stuff, that was far worse for the U.S., but no definitive proof has been brought forward that they were operating in bad faith. I suspect they genuinely thought that Iraq had WMDs, even if their existing evidence was shakey. Being dumb is not a crime. Too bad it doesn't keep you from the presidency, either. 

 

In fact, despite my misgivings about his policies, it's irrefutable that Obama will leave the country in a better state than Dubya did. Expect Republican rhetoric to fall to new lows in response.

[Lysistrata]

I don't see anyone pushing for investigations against Rumsfeld, Cheney or Dubya for the multiple debacles in Iraq. We can also see obvious side tracking of email issue. It seems the 1% are above the law even in USA.

Confusing. Your line of attack on the Bush administration should be focused on the reasons for going to war in Iraq, and the 1% part is from Occupy Wall Street. Do you believe this is the defense Hillary should be using? I would love to hear her say something about the 1%.

 

The questions here are:

 

Is it legal to store classified information on a private server at your home?

Is it legal to turn classified information over to a law firm, personal aides, interns, or how many more we don't know about?

 

Who and where this server and copies from it have traveled... the trail will be wide and deep. She said she never had classified information on her server, and I think the number is up to 60 now. Running for President will soon take a back seat to taking the advice from your Criminal Attorney and having your husband beg Barack Obama for a pardon.

[Lysistrata]

oops... it's now 305, and only 20% of the "ones she supplied" have been screened.

The State Department has notified a Federal Court. I hear the screams for Joe Biden getting louder.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/17/new-hillary-clinton-email-count-305-documents-pote/

[Duderonomy]

oops... it's now 305, and only 20% of the "ones she supplied" have been screened.

The State Department has notified a Federal Court. I hear the screams for Joe Biden getting louder.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/17/new-hillary-clinton-email-count-305-documents-pote/

The one thing I'm missing out of all of this: who actually installed her server? Seems like a missed opportunity for the Russians, if they don't have a heavy presence in the DC/New York IT community. I guarantee you most politicians don't vet their IT guys, and few ever suspect them of anything.

[Lysistrata]

Even John Kerry has said that he is pretty certain his emails have already been read by foreign agencies, maybe he's smart enough not to have classified information on his. We found out about Hillarys' private server from Gucifer after he hacked Sidney Blumenthals' email and the Clinton address was there for everyone to see. This circus is just beginning and I strongly believe Hillary will try every trick in the book to stay as far away from Trey Gowdy as she can... but a Congressional subpoena is a real problem.

[onbekende]

Can I smirk about foreighn agencies reading US gov mail? Cause you know you guys do it the other way around, and indiscriminatly aswell.

 

Heck if you wanna rail at someone reading "sensitive" mails, rail against google/microsoft/US Def Dep.

[Lysistrata]

Can I smirk about foreighn agencies reading US gov mail? Cause you know you guys do it the other way around, and indiscriminatly aswell.

 

Heck if you wanna rail at someone reading "sensitive" mails, rail against google/microsoft/US Def Dep.

You can smirk all you wish about what the Obama Administration has done. It will all change soon enough.

[onbekende]

 

Can I smirk about foreighn agencies reading US gov mail? Cause you know you guys do it the other way around, and indiscriminatly aswell.

 

Heck if you wanna rail at someone reading "sensitive" mails, rail against google/microsoft/US Def Dep.

You can smirk all you wish about what the Obama Administration has done. It will all change soon enough.

 

now I smirk about you guys inability to actually have a coherent society.

 

also, I was reminded today to add this here:

https://youtu.be/A8g0kuqH0KY?t=3m12s

(put it to that time for a reason, let it roll out for a bit. you are offcourse free to enjoy the entire clip )

[Duderonomy]

It's more a matter of shaking our heads at Hilary believing anything on her personal server was ever confidential, especially when the State Department would have provided her any secure machine that she wanted. She actively chose to endanger the country's security out of sheer laziness, when her job entailed sensitive communication with foreign countries. It's just so stupid on so many levels, and I expected far better from her.

 

The fact that she's being investigated at all is a triumph of democracy in the U.S. Most countries wouldn't have let it get this far. A powerful elite in line for the highest office? Many would have executed the reporters attempting to cover this. I can only hope that she will get a genuine trial and be kept from the nuclear launch codes. Maybe she'll keep those on a USB stick or a Post It.

 

The key difference between the U.S. and most other countries: our mistakes are open for all to see, and this lets them get dealt with. Covering up mistakes means they will be made again.

[Lysistrata]

Once again Dude, words of wisdom. What we need most is honesty. You have my personal thanks.

[Duderonomy]

Once again Dude, words of wisdom. What we need most is honesty. You have my personal thanks.

The real thanks goes to whomever at the DoJ actually had big enough testicles to follow this through.

 

She's still likely to get off, though. The question is just how much of her career she has to trade to get off.

[onbekende]

Wait did you just call the US a beacon of transparancy and democracy?

 

scratch me smirking, I need a pillow for the next 10 min.

[onbekende]

In all this story I keep wondering which bozo actually set-up the server on her private property. I don't see her, Bill nor the daughter do it and its obvious someone from her Foreighn Office.

 

second wondering: how many people wondered about its placement but did nothing? Cause if its a "the boss said it so we do it" kind of deal, you got to purge the entire foreighn office

additional wondering, in what way was the plausible "secret" mailings made "encrypted", cause if she can "easely" receive them at home on an unsecure line you either have her receiving 0 "secret e-mails" or they set her up with all the fancy gizmo's you expect Q to hand out to James Bond.

[Lysistrata]

There was no James Bond about it... she's in big trouble. I think she's the walking dead, it's just a matter of time.

 

Joe Biden sees the blood in the water and will not be able to resist the temptation to step in. This will be entertaining to watch... he will draw support from Hillary, and then Bernie Sanders will bolt to the front.

 

Trump is not going away and will continue to gain support. I don't think anything will stop him. His rally in Alabama was red meat to the southern Republicans, and Senator Jeff Sessions taking the stage was a gift, and the very political support that he so desperately needed. The stars have lined up for Trump in a way I have never seen before. Everything that he railed about... everything everyone thought he was crazy about... has come true, and the U.S.A. will put him in office to fix it unless he somehow blows up, but I don't see that happening. Carly Fiorina would be the perfect VP choice if he win the nomination.

[Duderonomy]

I for one, will be a conservative voting for Democrats if Trump gets on the ticket. That conman is the last person we need running this country. I'd hoped for a decent Republican this time around, too.

[Lysistrata]

I for one, will be a conservative voting for Democrats if Trump gets on the ticket. That conman is the last person we need running this country. I'd hoped for a decent Republican this time around, too.

And if you live where I think you do... it will have the same effect as voting Republican in California. That's why I moved away from there several years ago. Over the course of 2 decades, California turned into a liberal cesspool... an entire state of sanctuary cities, gangs, drugs, and the morally bankrupt. This election will be decided by a few swing states, unless Trump gets the nomination and breaks the chain on the whole red and blue state situation. It could be a good thing for us.