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However, I wouldn't shed a single tear for any of the Abrahamic religions if they happened to go away. I truly believe the world would be a shade nicer if they weren't a factor (an as long as they're not replaced with another doctrinaire ideology) On the other hand, I sincerely commend you for your openness and bravery for saying what you just did. It's an opinion that's very risky to have and voice in your part of the world (Pakistan, is it?).

 

Yes well religions have played a huge part in almost all conflicts in the world but why not contain it like not let it enter politics. That's simple. Ppl should practice their religions in places of worship and homes but not drag and thrust it in everything.

 

Its a risky statement but one that is vastly popular among ppl who want to curb violence and intolerance. Thats the difference that the world needs to understand that not all Muslims are "hack and slash Jihadis" like in the Crusades. We too want peace and have nothing to do w/ theses terrorists who are mere puppets serving higher powers in a game of Political Power Play in the world.


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However, I wouldn't shed a single tear for any of the Abrahamic religions if they happened to go away. I truly believe the world would be a shade nicer if they weren't a factor (an as long as they're not replaced with another doctrinaire ideology) On the other hand, I sincerely commend you for your openness and bravery for saying what you just did. It's an opinion that's very risky to have and voice in your part of the world (Pakistan, is it?).

 
Yes well religions have played a huge part in almost all conflicts in the world but why not contain it like not let it enter politics. That's simple. Ppl should practice their religions in places of worship and homes but not drag and thrust it in everything.

It's just that though. The TRULY religious cannot accept the fact that:

A, Some ascribe to a different set of beliefs
B, There are worldy laws that override the codex they think everyone should live by

Religion therefore needs to be kept in check and confined within set frameworks. People are free to BELIEVE whatever they want, but they should not be able to use their religion as an excuse to break even the smallest of laws.

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So just 5 days after this shooting, another mass shooting has occurred: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458242677/san-bernardino-shootings-what-we-know-right-now

 

This area is literally 20 min away from where I attend school currently. This is gonna spark up another gun control debate again. 


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Glad to hear you're OK R2V, stay safe!

I'll say upfront: If the attackers had a wider ideology behind their attack (in other words, if it wasn't just revenge shooting), I would class this as a terrorist attack

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I think these shootings get too much coverage, well maybe not that since the media needs to sell something.

But the whole world western world basically talks about Americans killing each other on the internet and in real life after seeing it on the world news. 

Why are we losing our minds over some black teenagers being shot when the main thing they do is shoot/stab each other anyway. 

The reason they're being shot and killed is because of freedom, the odds of them being dangerous is extremely high due to how free the US is. 

 

A solution to this is basically the plot of the last Robocop movie minus all the action and evilness. 

So take away peoples freedom? I've never seen Robocop. Always sounded completely retarded.

 

I meant in regards to decision making, A robot wouldn't use excessive force to achieve an outcome. Basically it would keep its cool. 

 

Not if you've seen the Matrix or Terminator it doesn't. 


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Yea, I live on campus and this area is a pretty sketchy place, not gonna lie. Weird shit happens around here.....

 

I believe this is a revenge shooting because one of the suspects was actually a worker in the Department of Health or something in the field of the medical area. 


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America is a country that operates on 18th and 19th century laws with 21st century toys. America's addiction to weaponry is putting a huge strain on her economy. She bears many of the hallmarks of a superpower losing her grip. Time to drag herself into the modern world.

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So just 5 days after this shooting, another mass shooting has occurred: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458242677/san-bernardino-shootings-what-we-know-right-now

 

This area is literally 20 min away from where I attend school currently. This is gonna spark up another gun control debate again. 

Yeah I know almost nothing about this. I haven't watched the news, but I've heard about it. Sad day. At least our R2V is safe.  :wub:


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Yes I saw it on CNN.Prayers for the victims and families.. 


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What we know so far: Two of the attackers were deeply religious Muslims....

Yeeeeeeeaaaaahhh...... <_<


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So even in a State with some of the strictiest gun control laws in the nation, shootings still occur.

 

My hearts and praryers go out to all those affected. Hopefully a motive and reasoning will be brought to light soon.


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Why racism in America gets highlighted the most is because the Americans and the world has a high expectations and ideals for themselves

Thereis alot of anti-white racism in Zimbabwe, it got highlighted for a while few years ago but not anymore. Why, because everyone knows Mugabe to be a total whack and can't expect.anything better of him.

America also probably has travelled the furthest from slavery to having a mixed race President not from majority ethnicity. That is not conceivable in majority of the countries elsewhere, so its bit hypocritical to get all raged about America. To be very frank, other than poorly managed millitary interventions, which has ended up being costly for everyone involved, things are better than most in alot of the other areas. Being the biggest kid on the block means you're in spotlight all the time.

Also in many of these racism cases, what I see is some of the guys getting shot not following instructions of law enforcement. Sure, in some cases law enforcement elements are obviously being racist but in many instances, the alleged victims are skirting the red lines and i'd call it provocation and you need to be pegged down now and then to be taught a lesson that law isn't a joke you play with.

I am not a believer that f you have the credentials you cannot break through social and economic hardships. I am a firm believer in this because my own family broke through the circle of poverty by sheer force of having the will to educate itself, get the degrees, get scholarships and goto some of the best universities around the globe. All of this in one generation. So I do not believe one's social circumstances are good enough reason to not attempt break through, I understand sometimes truly there are such circumstances, but alot of times, if you use that as an excuse but then sell drugs and smuggled goods, waste your time and skip classes in school, I call it BS.

RE:SHOOTING - CAIR needs to get its act together, this Farooq syed guy allegedly went radical over two years and that was visible for everyone, where the fuck was CAIR to not report the guy? Muslim communities will need to weed out the bad fish in the pond before crying about everyone shouting the whole pond smells funny. Give no reason to be profiled bro.

Absolutely outrageous, these attackers even left behind their own 6 month old baby into a life of misery. Fucking assholes. These types need to be caught and thrown in Guntanamo. Ok you're a nut job, but you're a special nutjob if you screw even your own baby! Good riddance, unfortunately, a costly one.

Message of condemnation and prayers are not enough. Muslim communities will need to do more, they will need to weed out the trash and at the same time show the trash talkers they can be the better and bigger at heart. Until that time, shits gonna fly that way. I'd start with kicking Tom dick and Harries becoming Imams and preaching. That's step 1. Step 2 is state cleared Imams and preaching. being a religious scholar needs a lot of education and training, over a decade, here we have idiots becoming preachers. Step 3. Muslim under cover agents in every mosque. Step 4: Mosques should be open to everyone. Step 5: These efforts need to be highlighted and communicated step 6: build political base, so your good efforts and actions aren't thwarted easily by haters and you can reach across to majority step 7: shut down illegal mosques, this is absolutely fine by Islamic jurisprudence. Step 8: Better of have mosques built through local laws, through a process if there is a need for one, population, area etc. They should all be centres of cultural exchanges. In golden years of Islam, when Islamic countries were leasing in science, politics millitary etc, mosques were not just areas of prayers, their surrounding complexes included schools of education in various fields like maths, science, law, philosophy, etc not just what we have today, where people rote learn or read Holy Quran in ancient Arabic writing you don't understand and for which you actually needs decades of training and education to be able to be actually be qualified and have some authority in interpreting it. Its not like internet warriors and nutjobes today, where they copy paste whatever they want to fit things into their world view. There was supposed to be a whole and complicated process to the interpretation, for exactly the same reason today, to avoid, Tom dick harry going around copy pasting, interpreting whatever the hell they want. Hell, reforms can come later, but even basics are out of the window these days, what to talk about reforms. Forget the basics even, there isn't widespread basic education. You got to be a giant in philosophy and extremely well read to even begin the decades long process of getting trained in interpretation. Do we have them? No. We have idiots in street corners who read few books, have a bit of gift of public speaking and bit of charisma here and there and suddenly they are prayer leaders. What a joke. I wouldn't piss on these takfiris.

I bet most you guys aren't even aware that there is a lengthy complicated system to Islamic jurisprudence, I wouldn't be surprised. Most of the people around me don't know this, what to expect from those living thousands of miles apart. Hell I didn't know about it until I was in university. Why would a local preacher mention these facts, it undermines their influence and power. Its a mess, and its a mess we Muslims will need to clean up.

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Why racism in America gets highlighted the most is because the Americans and the world has a high expectations and ideals for themselves

Thereis alot of anti-white racism in Zimbabwe, it got highlighted for a while few years ago but not anymore. Why, because everyone knows Mugabe to be a total whack and can't expect.anything better of him.

America also probably has travelled the furthest from slavery to having a mixed race President not from majority ethnicity. That is not conceivable in majority of the countries elsewhere, so its hit hypocritical to get all raged about America.

Also in many of these cases, what I see is some of the guys getting shot not following instructions of law enforcement. Sure, in some cases law enforcement elements are obviously being racist but in many instances, the alleged victims are skirting the red lines and i'd call in provocation and you need to be pegged down now and then to be taught a lesson that law isn't a joke you play with.

 

I agree with this. If you're held at gunpoint by a police officer, the sensible thing to do is (*gasp*) do EXACTLY what he says. It's a situation that leaves no room for funny business. If they mistreat you, you can always sue them later when they DON'T have a gun pointed at you.


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I don't have too much to add to this California shooting. I'm done with being called a racist and systematically getting ganged up on by European socialists for my views. What I will say is this one was way too close. I grew up in Southern California, and in the words of Sarah Palin, I can see San Bernardino from my house.

 

Democrats will use this to call for gun control, but it will not work. California already has gun control, and taking more guns from people will not make them feel safer. The guns are not the problem... it's the people pulling the triggers. More of this will happen, because it's become the "fashionable" thing to do if you want to make an impact, and create some history for your cause. This will do nothing but make terrorism the most important issue on everyone's mind, and Democrats know they will lose if that is the case. If people are not mad as hell about what they haven't got, and more concerned about who will keep them safe, then Republicans win.

 

In the short term, this will help Donald Trump because everything he talks about is coming true. The losers are the victims, and Muslims that just want to live their lives in peace. I blame Barack Obama because he has spent the last 8 years dividing my country, and the whole world is in chaos because of his lack of leadership. I hope the best, for all of you here.


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I think these shootings get too much coverage, well maybe not that since the media needs to sell something.

But the whole world western world basically talks about Americans killing each other on the internet and in real life after seeing it on the world news. 

Why are we losing our minds over some black teenagers being shot when the main thing they do is shoot/stab each other anyway. 

The reason they're being shot and killed is because of freedom, the odds of them being dangerous is extremely high due to how free the US is. 

 

A solution to this is basically the plot of the last Robocop movie minus all the action and evilness. 

So take away peoples freedom? I've never seen Robocop. Always sounded completely retarded.

 

I meant in regards to decision making, A robot wouldn't use excessive force to achieve an outcome. Basically it would keep its cool. 

 

Not if you've seen the Matrix or Terminator it doesn't. 

 

Those were definitely AI, while Robocop could be deemed an AI he was able to be limited to being a VI. Police Robots would be VI's as well. 


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I don't have too much to add to this California shooting. I'm done with being called a racist and systematically getting ganged up on by European socialists for my views. What I will say is this one was way too close. I grew up in Southern California, and in the words of Sarah Palin, I can see San Bernardino from my house.

 

Democrats will use this to call for gun control, but it will not work. California already has gun control, and taking more guns from people will not make them feel safer. The guns are not the problem... it's the people pulling the triggers. More of this will happen, because it's become the "fashionable" thing to do if you want to make an impact, and create some history for your cause. This will do nothing but make terrorism the most important issue on everyone's mind, and Democrats know they will lose if that is the case. If people are not mad as hell about what they haven't got, and more concerned about who will keep them safe, then Republicans win.

 

In the short term, this will help Donald Trump because everything he talks about is coming true. The losers are the victims, and Muslims that just want to live their lives in peace. I blame Barack Obama because he has spent the last 8 years dividing my country, and the whole world is in chaos because of his lack of leadership. I hope the best, for all of you here.

 

Only a democrat president is sane enough to be on the world stage.

Obviously a lot of the world won't really care who is president but the Republicans of the last decade and more have being morons, that is probably why they aren't winning. 

That's to say I doubt there was a better candidate than Obama for the last 7 years. Republicans need to become more liberal while maintaining sensible stances. 


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I hope you mean "american liberal", cause fromthe world's standpoint, the Republicans are as far liberal as you can get...


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America is a country that operates on 18th and 19th century laws with 21st century toys. America's addiction to weaponry is putting a huge strain on her economy. She bears many of the hallmarks of a superpower losing her grip. Time to drag herself into the modern world.

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So just 5 days after this shooting, another mass shooting has occurred: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458242677/san-bernardino-shootings-what-we-know-right-now

 

This area is literally 20 min away from where I attend school currently. This is gonna spark up another gun control debate again. 

Yeah I know almost nothing about this. I haven't watched the news, but I've heard about it. Sad day. At least our R2V is safe.  :wub:

 

Yea thanks FF.  I am good. 

 

Just shocked of how much weapons and the type of bombs they possessed. Seems like they were prepared for an all out war. 


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What we know so far: Two of the attackers were deeply religious Muslims....

Yeeeeeeeaaaaahhh...... <_<

And the attacker's brother is a decorated navy veteran, also Muslim.

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yeah, from what I gathered its the Miss's fault. Which just makes for a funny twist knowing how lowly they get treated by IS.


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