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[Road2Victory]

Possible scum/mafia move? I mean there has to be reason why isocialism voted on Rusken and did not further reason with it. 

 

 

Vote: ISocialism 

[Imran Ehsan]

I want to hear from Sumas, Kazio, Yehom and Perez before I vote for someone.

[Yehom]

Is Perez inactive als well? When was the last time that he posted?

[Rusken]

Looking at his profile, he last posted here on the 19th.

[Mandarijn]

But R2V, why the defence on Rusken? 

[Rusken]

Look who pops up after such a long break...

[Samus]

I may some stuff to share & discuss but i'm waiting to see if a hunch I have develops first.

As of now, I agree scum exists in this list:
 
Imran Ehsan, The Warrior, Finster Baby, Rusken, Yehom.
 
I doubt all are scum, but atleast minimum 1 exists there.

 

We have a game of 16 players, my general assumption is that games like this have a 70:30 or 60:40 ratio of town:scum.

 

under that assumption I would say there are 11 town (-1 for fox fire) vs 5 scum or 10 (-1 for fox) vs 6 scum. I think the former is more likely as 6 scum is an easy win for scum in reality and 5 would be a much more fairer game.

 

So under that assumption of there being 5 scum, I would guess not more than 2/3 scum names exist in the list of fox fire lynchs above - I wouldn't think scum would see their partners voting and all join, that would be too suspicious.

 

What do you guys think?

[Mandarijn]

Look who pops up after such a long break...

Me? I've posted here 2-3 times already since the new day started. But I don't spam, that's correct...

 

I agree with Samus. From that list I find Imran and Finster the least suspicious at this moment as well.

[Rusken]

What you say sounds quite plausible, and, while I am in that list, I will accept what comes of it.

 

I'm not good at that whole ratios thing, but I can kind of run with it. My question is though, what would be the chances that scum hit a blocking target with the numbers you provided?

[Rafay]

The best bet is to get rid of the inactives 1st.

 

Why so pushy to get rid of ppl EM? Remember that the town mislynched a power role on D1.....

[Rusken]

Well, as stated, regardless of whether or not scum, they are useless. I can't disagree that they would be useful if they were active, but sometimes it's best to just do so, run a night or two, then see what happens and base off that.

 

True that scum are secretive, but let's face it, get rid of the dead weight, while we collect information about who is doing what.

 

It is quite effective if we can learn and adapt from that.

[Samus]

Electric Tango is most definitely scum.

[Imran Ehsan]

I have a question.

 

For those who are shortlisting the 5 who voted to lynch Fox Fire...do all of you think that lynching on Day 1 is a bad idea? Do you think we should have gone No Lynch on Day 1 and allowed the extremely inactive Fox Fire ti stay on this game?

 

Because I see only Mandarijn who did not vote for a lynch on Day 1. Everyone else did so. There was even a wagon which went up to 3 votes. If we did not lynch anyone on Day 1 we will have no info on this day. There would have been another day full of spam posts with nothing to discuss. So lynching the inactive on Day 1 is probably the most townie thing we did. I am not saying there are no scum on the wagon which lynched Fox Fire but if the scum is smart they would have stayed off the wagon and lurked around with some random vote. These are the people (apart from Robert) who neither said "Dont Lynch on Day 1!" nor did they participate in lynching the inactive. It seems like they wanted to vote a random person to show that they are participating, while being careful to stay off the wagon that results in a lynch. They knew Fox Fire will turn up townie and did not want to be one of those who lynched a scum. I find this group to be more suspicious than the ones who voted to lynch off the inactive.

 

So apart from Mandarijn and Robert (although his moves were suspicious) all of you wanted a lynch on D1. So I dont see why the scum should not be in this group rather than in the one which actually brought about a result on D1 which we can discuss on D2.

[Kaziocore]

I'll reread everything tomorrow but let me vote on someone

 

Vote: Electric Mango

 

It's D2 and he's still going after the inactive players. As scum, it's easier to go after the inactive players than pretend scum-hunting.

[The Warrior]

Let's recap how day 1 went:

 

1) There was a chain of votes for Samus that reached 4 votes before anyone else received a single vote.

2) Samus shows up and votes for Robert for his bandwagon vote against Samus which leads to a couple other Robert votes because of his suspicious posting habits.

3) Robert comments on the train that is gaining momentum to lynch him and tries to play it off as just trying to "start discussion".

4) Rafay posts one time on page two and then mostly goes silent, only posting once or twice more.

5) Fox Fire posts once in the thread (on page 3).

6) Mandarijn makes his first appearance on page 4.

7) A train forms against isoc.

8) TW votes to remove the completely inactive CS from the game and a train forms.

9) The CS train reverses while Kevin finds Finster to replace him.

10) The Fox Fire vote picks up steam again as people comment on her complete lack of posting.

11) Fox Fire is pinged by admin and still does not appear even though she is active on the forums.

12) Robert continues to try and defend his posting habits as not being scummy.

13) Samus touts his ability to act as a townie while being scum all along.

14) Fox Fire is voted to be lynched after only posting one time in the thread and day one comes to a close on page 12.

 

Several people had suspicious tendencies at various times on day one. People like Rafay, CS, lyner, and Kaziocore posted sparingly. R2V barely contributed anything of substance to the discussion. Robert threw around wild accusations and then backtracked and got defensive when pushed on it. Samus made an interesting admission when he touted his ability to be scummy while acting like Joe Blow vanilla townie and accused several people of openly being scummy with no substantial evidence. Several people made random spam posts at various times (Finster, TW, R2V, ISoc, Robert, Samus, Rusken, EM, etc).

 

With the complete lack of posting by FF after making one brief appearance in the thread and having some forum activity, why shouldn't we assume that Fox was scum? We knew that she could see the thread and had at least been around the forums during the duration of the game. Even if she wasn't scum, as turned out to be the case, her inactivity did nothing to assist in the hunt for the scum. She was a logical choice for lynch votes.

[Perez]

Im back guys, dont worry, I know you guys love me a lot.

 

 

Anyway,  so much analysis going on... Imo, out the five that voted for fox, I thought the closest of being a scum was TW but after he did that testament he wrote above made me rethink his position. 

[KevinH]

"Your weapon… you will not need it."

Vote Count

Rusken (1): iSocialism,
Perez (1): Electric Mango,
iSocialism (1): Road2Victory,
Electric Mango (1): Kaziocore,
Mandarijn (0):
Finster Baby (0):
The Warrior (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Yehom (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Samus (0):
Rafay (0):
Lyner (0):
Kaziocore (0): 
Road2Victory (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Mandarijn, Imran Ehsan, The Warrior, Finster Baby, Rusken, Yehom, Perez, Lyner, Rafay, Samus, Robert2424, 

 
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, February 6, at 18:00 EST.

[Mandarijn]

So everyone has posted at least once since the new day started. What do you guys think?

 

This is what I think: I find these 3 of who voted on Fox the most suspicious at the moment: TW, Rusken and Yehom.

And maybe throw R2V in there as well, as he's mostly spamming and not saying anything.

Probably 2-3 of these 4 are scum and then we'll have another 2-3 in the ones that aren't saying much...

[Samus]

TW seems the most scummy tbh, that timeline of events he posted seems more like a push to pose Robert as scum and get a wagon on him again.

 

Also bare in mind this is his first game of Mafia, he seems to be trying too hard to prove to be the innocent townie bystander, while actively pushing for people to be lynched.

 

First CS for his inactivity, then being part of suspected scum who lynched FF & now his persistent accusations towards Robert. Nobody in this game has flip flopped so much.

 

I see right through you scum.

 

Vote: The Warrior.

 

Also Imran, I greatly agree that D1 lynches are necessary, never thought about it like that before. But we atleast have some form of information now.

[Road2Victory]

But R2V, why the defence on Rusken?

Why the rebuke? Don't you see the obvious move by Isocialism , he votes and disappears