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[Sister Midnight]

Oh Kevin, put that prick away if you're going to abuse it. Right now you are on the top of the scum list because you make claims without back up. Also many of your posts seem just plain suspicious. You can't wait to throw shade with little evidence to back it up. Granted, I don't know exactly what to look for when someone makes a scummy statement, maybe Imran will fill me in eventually. I may not be cut out for this game because a lot of the assuming and accusing and distorting go against my grain, but you seem to be way too good at it! I don't know if TW is scum, and I really hope he is because we're getting low on townies, but if anyone appears manipulative here it is you.

[Sister Midnight]

Addendum because I can't edit or talk about the game with anyone privately, except Robert. This is for Kevin: No matter what I say in this game, always remember that I wub you and still think you have the finest wood I've ever polished.

[KevinH]

The fun of the game is that it's expected that the scum be something other than themselves.

 

I'm being myself now.

 

Also: the "hammer vote" is the last vote that finishes the lynch.

[Imran Ehsan]

Since the mod hasnt closed the thread yet, we can leave our last thoughts.

 

The night actions should be decided based on whether TW turns up scum or not. If he is scum, then all those on the kevin wagon are suspect. If not, all those on the TW wagon are suspect. Its simple.

 

Any last thoughts TW?

[Chaplain of death]

 

• I claimed that I was StarFire the Follower and nobody counter-claimed.
• I claimed to follow Fermion Night 1 showing no action and that was not disputed.
• I claimed to follow Rafay Night 2 showing a watching ability and that was not disputed.
• (The fact that Rafay voted for The Warrior rather than me implies that he is not disputing my claim.)
• The mod "threw us a bone" essentially saying there was a voyeur, tracker, follower, and watcher.

 

The information on Fermion was pretty much public information at that point.

 

Your information on Rafay has not been confirmed even though your claim identifies him as a not very powerful watcher role, and him being a confirmed townie or nearly confirmed townie would be a much stronger position for the town.

 

Therefore by Rafay hammered the vote in on TW rather than confirming your claim and his own identity and results it throws a lot of shade on the two of you. Also TW could easily be a sacrificial lamb and I'm suspicious of you both regardless of whether he comes up townie or scum. That suspicion won't go away until Rafay makes his results public.

The fact that I've asked for Rafay's results and his response is to hammer the lynch in and then tell everyone to stop discussing is literally scummier than anything anyone has posted all game. Therefore I stand by my opinion that if Fermion is a Vig he should kill Rafay tonight, regardless of the result on TW.

[Imran Ehsan]

If TW turns up scum I find it very unlikely that both of his scum buddies will vote for him to get him lynched. If both Kevin and TW are scum they would have tried to get a wagon going on Fermion. I dont see why kevin will switch from his vote on you to TW when he could have easily switched to Fermion as he was doing early in the day. That would mean they were sure to get a townie lynched and there wouldnt be any need for sacrificing one of their scum buddies.

 

tldr: If TW is scum, everyone on the Kevin wagon is suspect, not the other way around. If TW turns up town then your theory applies.

 

ps: Rafay always plays scummily. So I dont necessarily see his actions as scummy. I would say its his normal play style. What would matter is if he hammered home a lynch on a scum when he was the deciding factor.

[Rafay]

If TW turns up scum I find it very unlikely that both of his scum buddies will vote for him to get him lynched.

 

This

 

ps: Rafay always plays scummily. So I dont necessarily see his actions as scummy. I would say its his normal play style.

 

And this too..... 

[KevinH]

Rafay, why don't you share your actions?

[Fermion]

Rafay, why don't you share your actions?

I was wondering the same thing. He's been asked multiple times. If he reveals who he watched and what they did, it ultimately helps the town. However, if he's scum...

[KevinH]

If he's town, he should share.

If he's scum, he should share.

 

If he's Rafay, who knows?

[Imran Ehsan]

OK lets say TW turns up town. That puts the spotlight on Rafay, Kevin, COD, Fermion and me I guess.

 

Lets say Rafay's scummy behavior is not a warped playstyle but actually indication of scum who actually is not a Watcher. A scum Watcher can easily reveal his results. There is no reason to hide them. However, Rafay may be a JOAT who used his Watch action on N2. He does not want to reveal his results because he didnt watch anyone on N1 and therefore cant provide concrete evidence. So this is the only scenario that fits with a scum Rafay.

 

Another possibility is Kevin/Rafay combo with each confirming the others role. In this case they teamed up to lynch TW with their 3rd partner probably not on the TW wagon.

 

And lastly another possibility is Fermion is actually scum. In that case I dont beleive Kevin is on the same scum team with him, but possibly Rafay is.

 

I am pretty positive COD is town..or he really has me fooled.

 

In any case I believe the possibility of any of the above scenarios happening is very small. So pretty confident that TW is scum.

[Imran Ehsan]

oh and I forgot another scenario. TW turns up scum but all 3 scum are on the kevin wagon. That would mean d3mon, SM and iSoc are all scum. But the possibility of that is low imo. I havent seen a lurking group come out enmasse so dramatically before.

TW turns up town i meant.

[Imran Ehsan]

And since I seem to be rambling on, I might as well add another idea.

 

If TW turns up scum, Fermion should shoot d3mon at night. If d3mon is not lying about his commuter ability he wont get killed and we know for certain d3mon is town because a scum commuter makes no sense. If d3mon is scum he will die and thats another scum dead. If he does not die we can lynch iSoc and SM the next 2 nights and wrap up this win for the town.

[d3mon]

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

 

If TW is town, then I would recommend taking out Rafay/KevinH as then we don't have the liberty of having multiple investigative abilities and we would need to get lucky with vig kills.

Also, just to add to it, if tW is found scum.. we would probably win this game easily from here.

[Imran Ehsan]

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

 

Why wouldnt you recommend it?

 

Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum.

[Sister Midnight]

From now on I'm going to do whatever Imran does because he's the only person I trust here.  I'm not changing my vote because I think you'll all think I'm scum if I do, but after we lynch TW, who must be scum (Imran says so) I will be under Imran's thumb, so don't piss him off, or else.

[Fermion]

Alright. If tW turns out to be scum, I'll target D3mon. If not, I'll target Rafay

[Imran Ehsan]

From now on I'm going to do whatever Imran does because he's the only person I trust here.  I'm not changing my vote because I think you'll all think I'm scum if I do, but after we lynch TW, who must be scum (Imran says so) I will be under Imran's thumb, so don't piss him off, or else.

^ Well thats a bit premature as we dont know if TW is scum or not. But since he hasnt posted here I am assuming he is. Because a townie getting lynched normally gives reactions from outrage, disappointment, "you killed the only townie who could save you!" etc reactions. Nothing from him of that kind yet.

[KevinH]

Per the rules, nobody can change their vote once the lynch has been reached.  We're waiting for Robert2424 to announce the end of the day so we can go into the Night phase.

 

D3mon, can you commute tonight?

 

Fermion, make your own choice but it's bad form to announce it because the scum might have some sort of protective ability.

[d3mon]

 

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

 

Why wouldnt you recommend it?

 

Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum.

 

 

Agreed but there would be just 2 scum left and one has to do the action. If neither of the two investigated makes an action then the third must be the one who did the kill. I don't see a need to force my hand into making an action or take a action that increases the probability of town loss when there is just a simple mathematical elimination that can be done to ensure town wins.

 

Also, as I mentioned, I have a limited number of actions, so I would much rather keep the option open to use the ability of not.