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[KevinH]

The Miller got nothin'.

[Rhizoctonia]

Meh.

@Rhizoctonia: have you used any night actions already? (Yes or no is fine, you can still have an X-shot ability where you didn't use an action. So this won't reveal anything, but your answer is important to me )

No

[Rafay]

I read the wiki. Can't understand what the commuter is?

 

We didn't lose any power roles at least.

[Mandarijn]

Ok, I'm going to give my results:

I'm a 2-shot Role Cop (WTF) and I've used my 2 investigations already. Unfortunately I didn't find any scum.  

Night 1: Rhizo (probably town, not going to give more details. But unless he's the Mafia Godfather or something he's pro-town )

Night 2: KevinH (Miller)

 

So KevinH is speaking the truth and Rhizo is most likely pro town. Also seeing all these X-shot abilities, I assume most of the power roles have this limitation...

I read the wiki. Can't understand what the commuter is?

 

We didn't lose any power roles at least.

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

[Rafay]

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

 

But he got killed in the night....

 

Also. Are we gonna talk about Kaz's lynching or just gonna let it slide since he was inactive....? 

[Mandarijn]

 

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

 

But he got killed in the night....

 

Also. Are we gonna talk about Kaz's lynching or just gonna let it slide since he was inactive....? 

 

He can only commute once as he was 1-shot and as he got killed he didn't commute last night.

 

Seeing 3 of the ones on Kazio's lynch wagon are confirmed townies (King Hitler, KevinH and me) I don't think it'll say a lot. But we'll see, we should remember Roq and Lyner though.

[Rhizoctonia]

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

 
But he got killed in the night....
 
Also. Are we gonna talk about Kaz's lynching or just gonna let it slide since he was inactive....? 

He was a 1 shot commuter. Which means he could only use it once. He obviously didn't use his role last night or he wouldn't of been killed. It's not a huge power role lost which is good. He basically had the ability to be free from scum kill if he guesses right on the night the Scum targeted him

[Canik]

 

 

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

 

But he got killed in the night....

 

Also. Are we gonna talk about Kaz's lynching or just gonna let it slide since he was inactive....? 

 

He can only commute once as he was 1-shot and as he got killed he didn't commute last night.

 

Seeing 3 of the ones on Kazio's lynch wagon are confirmed townies (King Hitler, KevinH and me) I don't think it'll say a lot. But we'll see, we should remember Roq and Lyner though.

 

Unfortunately you're right, it doesn't say a lot. Nothing that can be considered solid evidence for sure.. but, I like to think it wasn't just town voting for Kaz. This definitely increases my suspicion of Roq and Lyner a notch. And with Lyner, my suspicion was already quite high.

One thing I do find odd though. If Lyner was scum, then he should've known Kaz wasn't scum and it wouldn't have been smart for him in that case to act so sure that Kaz was scum, knowing the next night it would be revealed his was wrong. Though, he could have intentionally played unsmart to throw us off and make me think exactly what I just said. In the end, it's a WIFOM (Wine in front of me) situation. As it so often is in Mafia.

Glad Kevin has been verified town btw, was getting very suspicious of him after Kaz was proven to be town.

[Rafay]

Lyner was acting suspiciously towards the end of the day. And his activity also increased as the pressure for lynch mounted....

 

 

And thanks for clearing up the commuter thing guys.

[Canik]

If Lyner does really have a investigatory role I wonder if he turned up anything tonight. Or did he still get 'nothing, sort of.'

 

[iSocialism]

Interesting, so IMO mandi is telling the truth, my theory was mafia would want lyner gone over kazio. My vote tied things up giving mafia the chance to go for lyner. Mandi came in and said exactly what I was thinking. that he would prefer kazio over lyner. His vote was a pro-town move. Which means that his ""2"" shot role gave us info on kevin and FB being town. Also with it only being 2 shot that he used, means he is not as valuable of a target  for scum. The best counter theory to this he has a mafia investigation role that he found this info by, and is using it to buy town creed. In all reality a kill is a kill for mafia. doesn't matter if it's lyner or kazio. Though Lyner can do more damage.

[Imran Ehsan]

Good gambit by KH. Seems like the scum got fooled by it as well.

 

Looking at the people on the Kaz lynch wagon and assuming Mandarijn is telling the truth (i am pretty sure he is, scum wont confirm anyone as town), we can safely say there were no more than 1 scum on that wagon, if any.

 

I would say there were at least 2 scum on the Lyner wagon if Lyner is not scum. They probably thought Lyner will be a better lynch than the inactive Kaz but did not want to put the hammer vote on him, which resulted in the townie Mandarijn hammering the lynch vote on Kaz instead of Lyner.

[Lyner]

Of course scum would prefer active townie dead over the inactive one

 

 

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Also I got nothing tonight

[Imran Ehsan]

If Lyner was scum, his scum buddies would not have allowed a townie (Mandarijn) to cast the deciding lynch vote. They would have have jumped in a lot earlier to lynch Kaz. So they were fine with either Lyner or Kax getting lynched, probably preferring Lyner over the inactive Kaz. So I am pretty sure Lyner is not scum.

 

We need to look more closely at those who were pushing hard for his lynch.

[Rafay]

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Because.....? 

[Mandarijn]

Interesting, so IMO mandi is telling the truth, my theory was mafia would want lyner gone over kazio. My vote tied things up giving mafia the chance to go for lyner. Mandi came in and said exactly what I was thinking. that he would prefer kazio over lyner. His vote was a pro-town move. Which means that his ""2"" shot role gave us info on kevin and FB being town. Also with it only being 2 shot that he used, means he is not as valuable of a target  for scum. The best counter theory to this he has a mafia investigation role that he found this info by, and is using it to buy town creed. In all reality a kill is a kill for mafia. doesn't matter if it's lyner or kazio. Though Lyner can do more damage.

It's Rhizo and KevinH, not FB.

[Ali bin Turban]

Nice. We got some confirmation

- Kevinh and Mandarjin are townies.
- Rhizo - Still unknown. Mandarjin indicates he wasn't able to read Rhizo's role, or I'd say he got "no role" read (because simply not being able to read a role would be suspicious) - therefore he's either godfather, standard townie or standard mafia goon (please correct me if I'm wrong and there are more options). That proves he's far from being confirmed.

 

As for the rest, the longer I'm thinking the more confused I'm. There are so many possibilities, I'll need to think more about it and also see if anyone got anything more.

[Mandarijn]

I did get something, but I don't want to tell it as it can either confirm Rhizo is a normal townie and scum should target others or I confirm he has a power role. So I don't want to do either... I'm just saying that he's most likely town, but there's still a small chance that he's the godfather or something.

[Lyner]

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Because.....? 

 

 

Let's not pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen

 

 

He was the major candidate for lynch yesterday, and today too if we don't gain additional info

 

The only reason Canik is alive today is because we gave him time yesterday to prove Shah isn't scum

 

Apparently I see no reason that points him as a townie, I may be biased so please enlighten me

 

 

Vote: Canik

[Canik]

 

Also I got nothing tonight

How convenient. Even if you were just a motion tracker, seems you would have something to report..

 

If Lyner was scum, his scum buddies would not have allowed a townie (Mandarijn) to cast the deciding lynch vote. They would have have jumped in a lot earlier to lynch Kaz. So they were fine with either Lyner or Kax getting lynched, probably preferring Lyner over the inactive Kaz. So I am pretty sure Lyner is not scum.

 

We need to look more closely at those who were pushing hard for his lynch.

Pretty good theory. Assuming what Mandarjin says is true, and 3 on that wagon are confirmed towns.

What do you think about Lyner not having any info after 2 nights? Even a motion tracker should have something to report, am I wrong? It's been a while since I've played, don't remember all the roles. Is there a weaker investigatory one that might have turned up 0 useful info so far?