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[Mandarijn]

Seeing we also have an odd tracker, we probably have odd and even roles again. So it's possible he only has used 1 night action so far...

[Canik]

Seeing we also have an odd tracker, we probably have odd and even roles again. So it's possible he only has used 1 night action so far...

Ok, thanks Madarijn.

I still think he posts have been suspicious but maybe I'm wrong. I'll give him time to breath and review some other people. In the meantime, it'd be great if the less active people chimed in.

[Canik]

 

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Because.....? 

 

 

Let's not pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen

 

 

He was the major candidate for lynch yesterday, and today too if we don't gain additional info

 

The only reason Canik is alive today is because we gave him time yesterday to prove Shah isn't scum

 

Apparently I see no reason that points him as a townie, I may be biased so please enlighten me

 

 

Vote: Canik

 

Shah did the best he could to root out scum. He may have misread things and made mistakes in his arguments, but hey, you and 3 other people we think are townies all just lynched a town. So, might not want to be too judgemental. We're all human.

[Antoine Roquentin]

Yeah, idk, kind of at a loss now. Was hoping Kaziocore was avoiding posting to hide scumminess but evidently was wrong. KH dying doesn't help either. If we're looking at the Lyner lynchers, maybe it's one of the non-canik ones.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Canik (1): Lyner

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

d3mon (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

TheDoom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, Avater, Canik, Chaplain of Death, d3mon, Finster Baby, Imran Ehsan, iSocialism, KevinH, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, TheDoom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

[Imran Ehsan]

 

 

Also I got nothing tonight

How convenient. Even if you were just a motion tracker, seems you would have something to report..

 

If Lyner was scum, his scum buddies would not have allowed a townie (Mandarijn) to cast the deciding lynch vote. They would have have jumped in a lot earlier to lynch Kaz. So they were fine with either Lyner or Kax getting lynched, probably preferring Lyner over the inactive Kaz. So I am pretty sure Lyner is not scum.

 

We need to look more closely at those who were pushing hard for his lynch.

Pretty good theory. Assuming what Mandarjin says is true, and 3 on that wagon are confirmed towns.

What do you think about Lyner not having any info after 2 nights? Even a motion tracker should have something to report, am I wrong? It's been a while since I've played, don't remember all the roles. Is there a weaker investigatory one that might have turned up 0 useful info so far?

 

 

 

Your pushing to find what his role is pretty scummy tbh.

 

In this game we have so far seen 2 dead townie, both with power roles. We have kevin with a claimed power role (pretty useless but still not VT), we have mandy with a PR and potentially Rhizo with a PR. These all point to a role madness game where everyone has a power role but most probably with the majority with modifiers attached to them such as odd/even or x-shot.

 

So everyone has a power role and there is no point revealing one's role unless they have something useful to add like what mandy did. So a normal townie should not reveal his role when he has nothing to reveal because this only helps the scum. Why so? Because then scum plan their night actions accordingly and narrow out the possibilities of who the cop or doc may be so that they dont waste their night kill like they did last night. Your attempts to make Lyner reveal his role does not reflect a townie trying to help the town imo. Couple that with Shah's posts, you have not done anything to convince me otherwise that you are not a scum.

 

Vote: Canik

 

This is in addition to my theory that at least 2 scum were on the Lyner wagon which I have posted earlier.

 

If you turn up scum I believe this will also reveal Finster as your scum buddy. So lynching you gives a lot more info to town then not lynching you unless new information comes to light today. BTW, I also had the opinion that Rhizo was also working with you but I believe Mandarijn's claim so I am gonna trust him when he says Rhizo is probably town so I will withdraw my earlier suspicion of him unless new info comes to light. But for now if you turn up scum there is a vey good probability Finster is also scum and also a good probability of Avater.

[Finster Baby]

This would work if I were scum Imran, but your assessment is wrong, as usual.

Tho I'm in the unfortunate position of having to agree with you. Lyner's comment again today that he didn't see anything leads me to believe that he wasn't lying yesterday, as was asserted by a couple of people, which lead me to vote the way I did.

This leads me to 2 positions: Canik and Imran. Imran based on the last game I played with him - he'd throw out accusations and see what stuck, and play himself off as an innocent Townie in the process. So you're on my list, even tho...

Canik is, IMO, the stronger choice. Based on what Shah posted on D1, and Canik's almost immediate accusation of Lyner after 2 days of lyner's negative results from night actions, trying to say he should have seen *SOMETHING* (not true, its quite possible the people he investigated either really didn't do anything or their roles block his), leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer.

You almost had me convinced you were town yesterday Canik. Today, not so much

VOTE: Canik

This also puts me in the position of saying that Imran is probably town, since the scum wouldn't point the finger at their fellow scum, you would think...

[Lyner]

This would work if I were scum Imran, but your assessment is wrong, as usual.

Tho I'm in the unfortunate position of having to agree with you. Lyner's comment again today that he didn't see anything leads me to believe that he wasn't lying yesterday, as was asserted by a couple of people, which lead me to vote the way I did.

This leads me to 2 positions: Canik and Imran. Imran based on the last game I played with him - he'd throw out accusations and see what stuck, and play himself off as an innocent Townie in the process. So you're on my list, even tho...

Canik is, IMO, the stronger choice. Based on what Shah posted on D1, and Canik's almost immediate accusation of Lyner after 2 days of lyner's negative results from night actions, trying to say he should have seen *SOMETHING* (not true, its quite possible the people he investigated either really didn't do anything or their roles block his), leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer.

You almost had me convinced you were town yesterday Canik. Today, not so much

VOTE: Canik

This also puts me in the position of saying that Imran is probably town, since the scum wouldn't point the finger at their fellow scum, you would think...

 

We bussing now?

[Ali bin Turban]

I did get something, but I don't want to tell it as it can either confirm Rhizo is a normal townie and scum should target others or I confirm he has a power role. So I don't want to do either... I'm just saying that he's most likely town, but there's still a small chance that he's the godfather or something.

According to this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop godfather cannot hide from you. However there's following sentence in the godfather page:

 

"Alternatively to the above, some moderators take the concept of investigation immunity to make Godfather immune to some other investigation role instead of Cop."

 

We'd need some clarification from TW, unless you've asked already on your own and know the answer.

[Ali bin Turban]

It's difficult for me to understand why Canik's so bend on proving Lyner's no results (and that can easily mean he has information but nothing that would be meaningful) is a scum indicator.

 

As for Finster it's quite odd for such change of heart. I've made my case about him in the previous day and my suspicions are even stronger after his post (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-3/page-23#entry853931)...especially that part:

 

"...leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer."

 

That looks really fake...not to mention the fact that noone knows what Lyner's role is.

 

I'm not sure who I'd like to lynch more Canik or Finster, so I'll hold my vote just for now .

[Chaplain of death]

Good gambit by KH. Seems like the scum got fooled by it as well.

 

Looking at the people on the Kaz lynch wagon and assuming Mandarijn is telling the truth (i am pretty sure he is, scum wont confirm anyone as town), we can safely say there were no more than 1 scum on that wagon, if any.

 

I would say there were at least 2 scum on the Lyner wagon if Lyner is not scum. They probably thought Lyner will be a better lynch than the inactive Kaz but did not want to put the hammer vote on him, which resulted in the townie Mandarijn hammering the lynch vote on Kaz instead of Lyner.

Confirming one person as town isn't a bad strategy as scum tbh. Especially since if the person who confirmed it is killed and therefore outed as scum, the next logical step would be for the town to lynch the person they confirmed since their results were a lie. Not saying one way or the other, but I hate it when people say "scum would(n't) do this so this person is town. Making you think that is the EXACT reason that they would do it.

 

 

It's difficult for me to understand why Canik's so bend on proving Lyner's no results (and that can easily mean he has information but nothing that would be meaningful) is a scum indicator.

 

As for Finster it's quite odd for such change of heart. I've made my case about him in the previous day and my suspicions are even stronger after his post (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-3/page-23#entry853931)...especially that part:

 

"...leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer."

 

That looks really fake...not to mention the fact that noone knows what Lyner's role is.

 

I'm not sure who I'd like to lynch more Canik or Finster, so I'll hold my vote just for now .

 

A pretty big scum strategy is to put distance between yourselves, especially if someone gets suspicious. The fact that FB voted for Canik after it was suggested that if he came up scum that he would most likely be scum as well, is kind of suspicious. You'd think that if he suspected Canik he would have voted for him before that was pointed out, or that if he had a reason for holding his vote, he would have explained it and continued waiting.

 

 

 

Also I'm a bit confused as to why Mandy wouldn't have investigated KevinH night 1 since he claimed a role that could be confirmed only by a role cop. Personally I didn't have any strong enough reads on anyone night 1, so why wouldn't you get that investigation out of the way first and let someone show their colors a bit more and target them night 2? Seems odd that you wouldn't perform the obvious investigation night 1.

[Mandarijn]

Hmm, I didn't know that. So the Role Cop is the only sort of Cop that can investigate the Godfather and know he's scum?

 

Can we confirm somehow that someone is a normal townie without a power role? So we know it's not a role madness game? As this would clear Rhizo completely or marks him as scum.

[Mandarijn]

Also I'm a bit confused as to why Mandy wouldn't have investigated KevinH night 1 since he claimed a role that could be confirmed only by a role cop. Personally I didn't have any strong enough reads on anyone night 1, so why wouldn't you get that investigation out of the way first and let someone show their colors a bit more and target them night 2? Seems odd that you wouldn't perform the obvious investigation night 1.

Believe me, I thought really long about this and I had the same theory as you to do it the 1st night and then observe the next day and investigate someone suspicious. But if it was indeed a scum tactic, and they watched KevinH to see who visited him to kill the Cop the next night. I hardly doubt scum would do this, so I also thought really hard if I should just investigate someone else as it would be a very bold move to make if KevinH was scum. But meh, I have no idea if this was the right choice or not, but it's not that you can talk with someone about this.

[Finster Baby]

This would work if I were scum Imran, but your assessment is wrong, as usual.

Tho I'm in the unfortunate position of having to agree with you. Lyner's comment again today that he didn't see anything leads me to believe that he wasn't lying yesterday, as was asserted by a couple of people, which lead me to vote the way I did.

This leads me to 2 positions: Canik and Imran. Imran based on the last game I played with him - he'd throw out accusations and see what stuck, and play himself off as an innocent Townie in the process. So you're on my list, even tho...

Canik is, IMO, the stronger choice. Based on what Shah posted on D1, and Canik's almost immediate accusation of Lyner after 2 days of lyner's negative results from night actions, trying to say he should have seen *SOMETHING* (not true, its quite possible the people he investigated either really didn't do anything or their roles block his), leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer.

You almost had me convinced you were town yesterday Canik. Today, not so much

VOTE: Canik

This also puts me in the position of saying that Imran is probably town, since the scum wouldn't point the finger at their fellow scum, you would think...

 
We bussing now?

 
 

It's difficult for me to understand why Canik's so bend on proving Lyner's no results (and that can easily mean he has information but nothing that would be meaningful) is a scum indicator.
 
As for Finster it's quite odd for such change of heart. I've made my case about him in the previous day and my suspicions are even stronger after his post (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-3/page-23#entry853931)...especially that part:
 
"...leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer."
 
That looks really fake...not to mention the fact that noone knows what Lyner's role is.
 
I'm not sure who I'd like to lynch more Canik or Finster, so I'll hold my vote just for now .

 
 

Good gambit by KH. Seems like the scum got fooled by it as well.
 
Looking at the people on the Kaz lynch wagon and assuming Mandarijn is telling the truth (i am pretty sure he is, scum wont confirm anyone as town), we can safely say there were no more than 1 scum on that wagon, if any.
 
I would say there were at least 2 scum on the Lyner wagon if Lyner is not scum. They probably thought Lyner will be a better lynch than the inactive Kaz but did not want to put the hammer vote on him, which resulted in the townie Mandarijn hammering the lynch vote on Kaz instead of Lyner.

Confirming one person as town isn't a bad strategy as scum tbh. Especially since if the person who confirmed it is killed and therefore outed as scum, the next logical step would be for the town to lynch the person they confirmed since their results were a lie. Not saying one way or the other, but I hate it when people say "scum would(n't) do this so this person is town. Making you think that is the EXACT reason that they would do it.
 
 

It's difficult for me to understand why Canik's so bend on proving Lyner's no results (and that can easily mean he has information but nothing that would be meaningful) is a scum indicator.
 
As for Finster it's quite odd for such change of heart. I've made my case about him in the previous day and my suspicions are even stronger after his post (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-3/page-23#entry853931)...especially that part:
 
"...leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer."
 
That looks really fake...not to mention the fact that noone knows what Lyner's role is.
 
I'm not sure who I'd like to lynch more Canik or Finster, so I'll hold my vote just for now .

 
A pretty big scum strategy is to put distance between yourselves, especially if someone gets suspicious. The fact that FB voted for Canik after it was suggested that if he came up scum that he would most likely be scum as well, is kind of suspicious. You'd think that if he suspected Canik he would have voted for him before that was pointed out, or that if he had a reason for holding his vote, he would have explained it and continued waiting.

Look, this is exactly my 2nd game of Mafia. To think I'm capable of this sort of chicanery is laughable at best. I take whats provided and come to my own conclusions, as usual.

Lyer's night action consistency is what's swaying me to the conclusion that he's acting in the Town's best interests. To me, if anyone's doing this "bussing" or whateverthehell that is stuff, it's Canik.

[Canik]

Your pushing to find what his role is pretty scummy tbh. In this game we have so far seen 2 dead townie, both with power roles. We have kevin with a claimed power role (pretty useless but still not VT), we have mandy with a PR and potentially Rhizo with a PR. These all point to a role madness game where everyone has a power role but most probably with the majority with modifiers attached to them such as odd/even or x-shot. So everyone has a power role and there is no point revealing one's role unless they have something useful to add like what mandy did. So a normal townie should not reveal his role when he has nothing to reveal because this only helps the scum. Why so? Because then scum plan their night actions accordingly and narrow out the possibilities of who the cop or doc may be so that they dont waste their night kill like they did last night. Your attempts to make Lyner reveal his role does not reflect a townie trying to help the town imo.

I agree, there is no point in revealing your role unless you have useful information. Which is why I found it strange that Lyner choose, of his own accord, to reveal he supposedly had an investigation role.

I found his response, which was basically "maybe I'm lying, that is one of endless possibilities", suspicious. So thinking I may have a scum on the ropes, I did add pressure and ask for more info in general. Though I've not once asked him to reveal his role.. and he's given 0 extra information from my questioning. Yet from what he has revealed by his own choosing, we have a decent idea of what his role is if he is really a town. Yet 0 useful information. On top of that, he helped lynch of town last night. Brilliant town-play by Lyner. He's doing so much to help let me tell ya, he's so clearly not scum.  Canik why you put pressure on someone so clearly not scum? Bad Canik, bad. We lynch you now. 

Seriously, this is all absurd. You were (probably) wrong about Rhizo, people were wrong about Kaz, and you're wrong about me. If you are town, you need to look elsewhere because I'm going to push for town to lynch you next once it's revealed I am town, and I promise you, it will be revealed I am town if I die.

[Lyner]

Yet from what he has revealed by his own choosing, we have a decent idea of what his role is if he is really a town.

 

Another vague statement

 

Do tell me what my possible role is

 

 

 

On top of that, he helped lynch of town last night. Brilliant town-play by Lyner. He's doing so much to help let me tell ya, he's so clearly not scum.  Canik why you put pressure on someone so clearly not scum? Bad Canik, bad. We lynch you now. 

Seriously, this is all absurd. You were (probably) wrong about Rhizo, people were wrong about Kaz, and you're wrong about me. If you are town, you need to look elsewhere because I'm going to push for town to lynch you next once it's revealed I am town, and I promise you, it will be revealed I am town if I die.

 

 

Because we're supposed to lynch Shah before you came

 

Because getting a lynch would be preferred than a no lynch

 

Because Kaz is too inactive to prove useful, becoming more risky in the later game

 

 

 

Also there are a few scums in this game, care to point your other suspects?

 

Supposing I'm a scum:

- My scum friends will try to help me, either by voting Kaz or you or not letting the votes reach majority

- Clearly voting Kaz is the safest way in this situation

- Apparently most of those who are in the Kaz wagon are verified townies, except Roq

- Where are the rest of my scum team? Voting for me? Inactive? Scattering votes here and there instead of supporting me?

[iSocialism]

If I recall right liner only said he had nothing to report. Any role out there has this possibility. His statement was vague. I will admit it's misleading. It's better to say nothing, then to imply that you are town. Though he didn't say that exactly. Canik has a point there. However it's not enough to form a lynch for me. It was more than what we had, but still not enough. It formed info though. Lyner wagon over kazio helped give more ideal of townie movement. Let's say there is 5 scums, one of which wasn't very smart. Mandi town movement, as I will call it, helped us get an ideal on who is who. Liner is more active, more favorable to go after than kazio. Scum will more likely want liner gone. If one scum got hungry, we could find this on lyner's wagon. Maybe lyner wanted this attention. We can't say good outplaying KH , and not think the same of lyner. Canik, you happen to be one of the five on liner wagon. Same with me, but i gave my reasoning. If you're town you might want to do as lyner said and think of some other suspects. Because there's seems to be 3 people confined town and if you start building unwanted attention. They might come in too. They hold more weight right now, and trying to discredit that doesn't look well without evidence.

[Chaplain of death]

 

Also I'm a bit confused as to why Mandy wouldn't have investigated KevinH night 1 since he claimed a role that could be confirmed only by a role cop. Personally I didn't have any strong enough reads on anyone night 1, so why wouldn't you get that investigation out of the way first and let someone show their colors a bit more and target them night 2? Seems odd that you wouldn't perform the obvious investigation night 1.

Believe me, I thought really long about this and I had the same theory as you to do it the 1st night and then observe the next day and investigate someone suspicious. But if it was indeed a scum tactic, and they watched KevinH to see who visited him to kill the Cop the next night. I hardly doubt scum would do this, so I also thought really hard if I should just investigate someone else as it would be a very bold move to make if KevinH was scum. But meh, I have no idea if this was the right choice or not, but it's not that you can talk with someone about this.

 

I suppose that is possible, especially if they have a Godfather.

[Imran Ehsan]

Hmm, I didn't know that. So the Role Cop is the only sort of Cop that can investigate the Godfather and know he's scum?
 
Can we confirm somehow that someone is a normal townie without a power role? So we know it's not a role madness game? As this would clear Rhizo completely or marks him as scum.

 
Can you please reveal what exactly you got from investigating Rhizo. If you got No Result then it will probably indicate he is scum. If you get killed at night we will never be sure about Rhizo's alignment specially if he is a Godfather. If he is a VT the scum will not target him, so there is no reason to hide what you found unless you found that he has a very powerful role like a Cop or Doc. Other than that we need to know exactly what you got. The following should be helpful.

 

A Role Cop that returns only their target's full role name and not alignment is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Mafia Goon or a Serial Killer with no other abilities should give the same result as a Vanilla Townie.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

d3mon (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

TheDoom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, Avater, Canik, Chaplain of Death, d3mon, iSocialism, KevinH, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, TheDoom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.