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[iSocialism]

 

Well, this is interesting. Looks like someone roleblocked the scum, or someone has bulletproof mod.

if someone did roleblocked someone last night, it might be worth it to come out. Only expectation is maybe a JOAT.

I'm not convinced, as ths would paint a target on that roleblocker's back. We all ready know Samus has a role, and based on the night outcome I'm pretty sure he was protected. The scum had to go after him since his was the only claimed role.

 

Most likely the rolebloker is X-shot, if he did use his role, I think it would be better off going after who he roleblocked. The only problem with this is a fake RC

 

"We need to figure out who Nicholas Flamel is then." Hermione muzed. "Let's start in the library!"

 

Hermione ... hey, that's me!

That's right, I am Hermione Granger, a Town Cop.

I was expecting to be dead by now and left some pretty strong hints in my analysis postings, but since I'm alive and so are all my targets, it is now time to claim.

Night 1 I investigated Myrrdin Emrys (whom Preston replaced) and found that he was a Gryffindor Student.

Night 2 I investigated Ali bin Turban and found he was not a Gryffindor Student nor a Helpful Hogwarts Staff (cue the ominous music).

Night 3 I investigated iSocialism and found that he was a Gryffindor Student.

Vote: Ali bin Turban

My concern is that I might be an Insane Cop or that there may be a Framer in play, but I'll let the group debate that.
 

 

I can confirm that I'm a Gryffindor Student.

I guess the other possibility is a Doc role was succeful

[Finster Baby]

Well then...

VOTE: Ali bin Turban

[The Warrior]

"One can never have enough socks," said Dumbledore. "Another Christmas come and gone and I didn't get a single pair. People will insist on giving me books."
It was only when he was back in bed that it struck Harry that Dumbledore might not have been quite truthful. But then, he thought as he shoved Scabbers off his pillow, it had been quite a personal question.
 

 

Vote Count
 

Ali bin Turban (2): KevinH, Finster Baby

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, iSocialism, King Hitler, Lyner, Mazuurek, Preston, Samus, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 12:00pm CST on Wednesday, July 20th.

[Wolfpacks]

ooc sorry I was away but something happened within IRON and I had to take a couple of day away from the forum.


It does seem strange that no one was lynched last night, I haven't played enough to know what a roleblocker or whatever it's called is, but if you take who voted Rafay off one was the other inactive players Mazuurek,
KevinH has made no secret that he believed the Rafay was scum, although wrongly he didn't change he vote.
Isocialism has been under my suspicion since he started the vote against me, he was one of the first to vote for Rafay, I'm stil thinking he could be one of the scum that fail in their vote.
Lyner is very hit and miss he pops up says stuff and that's all no real help in what he says, I'm still not sure where to go with him
Kinghitler as I've said knows what he wants from this game and knows how to play it, he gives you just enough to keep people keen but not enough to worry you.

Then there's the rest
Finsterbaby decided to stay off the fence and kept to one vote and voted for our other inactive
Sister Midnight didn't have a fence to sit on but also voted for Mazuurek
Ali bin Turban also voted for Maz,
Now do all three have a insight in why they voted for him, I still believe that the scum messed up with the D2 vote and in the end Lego was thrown under the bus.
now knowing Rafay wasn't scum was his vote for the real scum or just a shot in the dark, I have already spoken about his votee

Preston and Shamus seem just to have a bee in their bonnet with the person they voted for but no real reasoning for it.

I said before that the odds on Rafay were long on him being scum, which was true in the end, so my vote for D3 is

Vote Mazuurek

My reason I think he is the silent scum that messed up the original vote that caused Legoboy to be thrown under the bus

FOS Isocialism, Preston, King Hitler

Well then...VOTE: Ali bin Turban

Very insightful

[Finster Baby]

Wolf: Did you read KevinH's post where he role claimed and pointed out what he found out about AbT?

There's no need to elaborate further on why I've voted for him.

As for my vote regarding Mazuurek, I believed Samus when he said Rafay wasn't scum. Based on the info he provided it led me to believe that Rafay was in fact town so I went for my next choice, Mazuurek, for reasons I've stated a few times prior to N3.

A roleblocker is a role that can prevent something - for example, a night kill. In this case, its possible a doctor protected the target of the scum, hence why there was no kill.

[Wolfpacks]

I'm afraid I disagree on Ali bin turban, it's just a feeling but I've seen nothing to tell me otherwise, including what KevinH put

[Mazuurek]

vote: ali bin turban

[Wolfpacks]

My concern is that I might be an Insane Cop or that there may be a Framer in play, but I'll let the group debate

This worrys me, if he is he could be pointing you in the wrong direction

[Finster Baby]

So, based on investigations/roleclaims:

Town: iSoc, KevinH, Preston, Samus

Unconfirmed town: Me (obviously)

Scum: Abt

Unknown: King Hitler (Claims town, however, his commuter "block" smacks of lies), Lyner, Mazuurek, SM, Wolfpacks

Of the unknown, SM, Lyner, and maybe Wolfpacks are potential towns.

I do want to roleclaim, however, I'm not sure that it would be wise for me to do so right now, given who has all ready roleclaimed. While some of you won't believe me, and that's fine, I've been hinting at my character all game.

[Wolfpacks]

I had to edit the above

[Finster Baby]

I'm afraid I disagree on Ali bin turban, it's just a feeling but I've seen nothing to tell me otherwise, including what KevinH put

If KevinH were actually insane or a framer, why would he even HINT at that being a possibility? He could just give the results he did with no further comment.

[Wolfpacks]

Ok working on Finsters reasoning, is he voting because he believes what KevinH put or is he being led, exactly like he had before when he changed is vote many times, or is he this said framer that accuses all under the sun to keep suspicion away from himself, I do believe KevinH but I also believe he is a insane Cop and have to be very wary of what he says.


Because he is insane and they don't use the same rules as normal people

[Finster Baby]

Per MafiaWiki:

Insane Cop: Results are the opposite of what they should be.

Once the player realizes they are Insane, they can produce effective results by reporting the opposite of what they discover.

If the cop is insane, then he would have just potentially given away 3 scum roles. Himself, and the 2 others he claimed were town, as the insane cop is a scum role.

A Framer may choose to frame a player during the night, causing that target to investigate as Guilty (or whichever result is unfavorable) to Cops. For obvious reasons, this role is almost always aligned with scum.

He would then be revealing himself as scum, and be attempting to put AbT up as scum to cover his ass.

This *could* be possible, however, given the amount of information he gave (all 3 nights) I don't think he is either Insane or a Framer.

However, I do think that your disbelief of KevinH's claim moves you squarely into the scum column, along with your buddy King Hitler.
The only real way to determine if KevinH is insane is to lynch AbT - if he turns out to be town, then we know KevinH is insane and we can react accordingly.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count
 

Ali bin Turban (3): KevinH, Finster Baby, Mazuurek

Mazuurek (1): Wolfpacks

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, iSocialism, King Hitler, Lyner, Preston, Samus, Sister Midnight

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 12:00pm CST on Wednesday, July 20th.

[Wolfpacks]

using that logic, this could make you scum because you know that KevinH is the Insane Cop and and just want to eliminate another town members, he also defended isoc who in my eyes is certain scum because of the way he's voted and that Mazuurek is the silent scum, who you may have noted voted without rhyme or reason

[KevinH]

if Kevin's #1 choice Mazuurek is now viable as a wagon over his #2 choice Rafay, why is his vote not there? Kevin's votes are increasingly worrying to me.

 
I can explain myself now.
 

Unofficial Vote Count
 

Rafay (3): iSocialism, KevinH, Mazuurek

Mazuurek (3): Finster Baby, Sister Midnight, Ali bin Turban,

...
 
I expect Rafay to vote for Mazuurek to save himself, but still think Rafay is the best choice.

 

 
Ali bin Turban was voting for Mazuurek and I knew Ali bin Turban was scum so that gave Mazuurek a bunch of townie points in my opinion.

Rafay the townie should have voted for Mazuurek to save himself.
Ali bin Turban the scum would have known this and didn't seem to mind that Mazuurek was going to be lynched.
  
 

Seamus Finnigan (Rafay) a normal Gryffindor Student has been knocked out on day 3.
 
Vote Count

Rafay (5): iSocialism, KevinH, Mazuurek, King Hitler, Lyner

 

 
Instead, we had King Hitler and Lyner jumping in and lynching Rafay and thus saving Mazuurek. Did Ali bin Turban know that this was going to happen all along? I doubt it because that makes it 4 scum outstanding (Ali bin Turban, Mazuurek, King Hitler, and Lyner) besides the dead scum Legoboy.

My conclusion is that Mazuurek is townie.

[Samus]

"We need to figure out who Nicholas Flamel is then." Hermione muzed. "Let's start in the library!"

 
Hermione ... hey, that's me!
That's right, I am Hermione Granger, a Town Cop.
I was expecting to be dead by now and left some pretty strong hints in my analysis postings, but since I'm alive and so are all my targets, it is now time to claim.Night 1 I investigated Myrrdin Emrys (whom Preston replaced) and found that he was a Gryffindor Student.Night 2 I investigated Ali bin Turban and found he was not a Gryffindor Student nor a Helpful Hogwarts Staff (cue the ominous music).Night 3 I investigated iSocialism and found that he was a Gryffindor Student.Vote: Ali bin Turban
My concern is that I might be an Insane Cop or that there may be a Framer in play, but I'll let the group debate that.
 

Suspecting KevinH to be scum, I tracked him. He stated he investigated iSocialism N3, which was correct as that was the result I received.

Which means KevinH is confirmed townie, so he's straight out of my scum list.

King Hitler is still on my list and so is Lyner, both voted for Rafay right after each other when I already proved he was town, that's a negative townie move (a scum move).

Going to follow KH's wagon for now, but King hitler is next.

Vote Ali bin turban

[KevinH]

I'm changing my mind about Wolfpacks and Lyner.
 
Let's go back to Day 2.

The reason I've said nothing on Legoboy is because he called me for voting for Finster as the scummiest thing he's seen, didn't want to be called for another revenge vote

This is a rather weak reason to not vote for someone later known to be scum.

 

Votes with known townies and scums highlighted...

Day 2 before the big shift to Legoboyvdlp:

Vote Count
 

Rafay (4): King Hitler KevinH, Lyner, Sister Midnight

Samus (3): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban

KevinH (1): Wolfpacks

King Hitler (1): Samus

Not voting: Finster Baby, Mazuurek, Rafay

 

 
And after the big shift:

Vote Count
 

legoboyvdlp (5): Samus, Finster Baby, King Hitler, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

Wolfpacks (4): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban, Preston, legoboyvdlp

Rafay (2): KevinH, Lyner

KevinH (1): Wolfpacks

Not voting: Mazuurek, Rafay

 

 

The late jump to Wolfpacks by Legoboyvdlp was just for appearances.  The scum couldn't save Legoboyvdlp because the alternative was another scum,

 

FoS: Wolfpacks & Lyner

[iSocialism]

ooc sorry I was away but something happened within IRON and I had to take a couple of day away from the forum.


It does seem strange that no one was lynched last night, I haven't played enough to know what a roleblocker or whatever it's called is, but if you take who voted Rafay off one was the other inactive players Mazuurek,
KevinH has made no secret that he believed the Rafay was scum, although wrongly he didn't change he vote.
Isocialism has been under my suspicion since he started the vote against me, he was one of the first to vote for Rafay, I'm stil thinking he could be one of the scum that fail in their vote.
Lyner is very hit and miss he pops up says stuff and that's all no real help in what he says, I'm still not sure where to go with him
Kinghitler as I've said knows what he wants from this game and knows how to play it, he gives you just enough to keep people keen but not enough to worry you.

Then there's the rest
Finsterbaby decided to stay off the fence and kept to one vote and voted for our other inactive
Sister Midnight didn't have a fence to sit on but also voted for Mazuurek
Ali bin Turban also voted for Maz,
Now do all three have a insight in why they voted for him, I still believe that the scum messed up with the D2 vote and in the end Lego was thrown under the bus.
now knowing Rafay wasn't scum was his vote for the real scum or just a shot in the dark, I have already spoken about his votee

Preston and Shamus seem just to have a bee in their bonnet with the person they voted for but no real reasoning for it.

I said before that the odds on Rafay were long on him being scum, which was true in the end, so my vote for D3 is

Vote Mazuurek

My reason I think he is the silent scum that messed up the original vote that caused Legoboy to be thrown under the bus

FOS Isocialism, Preston, King Hitler

Well then...VOTE: Ali bin Turban

Very insightful

 

 

 

Ok working on Finsters reasoning, is he voting because he believes what KevinH put or is he being led, exactly like he had before when he changed is vote many times, or is he this said framer that accuses all under the sun to keep suspicion away from himself, I do believe KevinH but I also believe he is a insane Cop and have to be very wary of what he says.


Because he is insane and they don't use the same rules as normal people

Okay first, you said that you didn't know what a role blocker rule was. Then you go off and start talking about insane cop, like you know what it was. Kevin only, said he is worried that he MIGHT be an insane cop. You are assuming that he is an insane cop and you also apparently know what this role is. Also you disregarded all of his other points. Kevin hasn't really defended me, and vi versa. Hence probably why he investigated me, and why samus watched him. Luckily, for us (the town) we discovered three towns. Assuming Preston will come out and also confirmed his role. Your FOS's are all people that have been confirmed by Kevin and KH who has role claimed. You might want to put Samus on that list as well. The only people who knew for certain rafay wasn't scum are the scum, beside a few who might had investigated him. You only "evidence" for me is that I voted for you, but somehow you know for certain.

 

I'm not voting AbT until, he has time to speak. Though I got a feeling it's going to take a while.

We still need Preston to come out and to confirmed the Gryffindor  part.

 

When this happen, maybe WP will for certain believe Kevin claim, and think of a better way to defended instead of voting for Maz, while knowing for certain that I'm scum.

[KevinH]

If the cop is insane, then he would have just potentially given away 3 scum roles. Himself, and the 2 others he claimed were town, as the insane cop is a scum role.

 
Insane cop is still town. He just gets the investigations reversed.
 

The only real way to determine if KevinH is insane is to lynch AbT - if he turns out to be town, then we know KevinH is insane and we can react accordingly.

 
Absolutely.

If AbT flips town, then Preston and iSocialism would be scum if I'm insane.
Alternatively, a Framer could have targeted AbT the same night that I investigated him; that's very unlikely in my opinion.