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[Preston]

I can't disagree with Wolfpacks that I've been inactive lately - I give full credit to Pokemon Go and Evolve Stage 2 releasing basically back to back Not a great excuse, but eh.

However we've got the rest of this weekend and Samus's roleclaim to put together a decision! TW has effectively confirmed Samus as town, which is notable in itself.

I am trying to puzzle out the meaning behind the results Samus posted and TW 'clarified', however; it seems curious that TW would begin with one convention and then switch to another. The tracker wiki page includes the "did not target anyone" language TW used for night 1, so it's possible he referred to that then. But on night 2 TW used something different instead of just saying KH targeted no one. From TW's post it sounds like both are intended to be negative results (and not the kind of negative that reveals a ninja), but do you think that excludes Samus from having been roleblocked or similarly prevented from acting Night 2?

This got me looking at the roles TW has listed and am curious; he lists several roles with a Mafia prefix, are those the ONLY roles that can be mafia? I see things like Framer and Roleblocker/Rolestopper on the list that dont make a lot of sense to have as town. Given that Samus has confirmed we have a tracker, what sort of roles from TW's list could he even be used to find beyond the mafia making a night kill? When I played last I dont remember half of what's on that list.

If memory serves we have two people remaining who teased their claims during the day, Finster and KingHitler. With the latter being a subject of Samus's claim and vote, I think we may want to wonder what role he would describe as useless in his earlier post. And I still am very curious about Finster.

Let's get some more discussion going here, but I also want to point out that Mazuurek seems far more /active/ today... albeit with not much said beyond a vote on SM and subsequently on Rafay, joining the wagon there. I also was somewhat stunned when he replied to Ali's question about what he was doing so flippantly... it could be just newbieness, but I don't know.

I'll try to look back some more tomorrow when I'm more awake, but please keep the discussion going...

-Preston

[Preston]

Looks like KH posted while I was reading back and writing my own post.

So first off, he responded with his claim - commuter, huh. I can see why he'd feel it was a useless skill because it's defensive instead of info gathering, and he has already used it up. It would also explain why TW gave Samus a different result initially, or at least it is a possible rationale behind it.

Obvious question then is how believable this claim is. Curiously he also includes his character name... doing so risks collision with someone else if they had that name, so ironically I am more inclined to believe this is real - however it is not conclusive. Let's get some other peoples' thoughts on the claim first, then go from there; especially if someone has a counterclaim to the name Ron being used.

-Preston

[Ali bin Turban]

I guess there's no reason not to believe in Preston's and KH's explanations about their inactivity, especially since none of them was really pressured (until yesterday when Samus role claimed).

 

KH's role claim does not really solve anything (you can claim anything you like after all), even though this game apparently has a good share of VT and I think this in general would be the safest claim for a scum. Thing worth noting is that KH was already a commuter in TW's past game, which is quite a coincidence I'd say (though being a scum he could have easily avoid it by claiming other safe role).

As for Samus results I've already mentioned it few posts ago and now I think Preston wasn't aware of that but he added to the explanation. Samus claims to be a Watcher, not a Tracker, that's one thing. Second is that, as Preston's pointed out, first night Samus got a result that was meant for a Tracker (taking a look at the wiki: "If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar.").

In conclusion, I don't think that mistake adds credibility to KH's role claim and it was merely due to the fact TW's made a mistake (that may also mean we got a Tracker around).

 

What's more interesting is the character's name: Ron Weasley - that's one of the main positive characters and claiming it would put scum in danger. That means:

 

1. Real Ron Weasley will stand up. If it's not some shady character that may be trying to get townie lynched before he dies, it'll seal KH's fate (since I don't believe scums that are not in danger would sacrifice themselves to get one town down).

2. Noone will raise their hand. Which will mean that either KH is Ron indeed...or that Ron is not present in game and that was just a lucky shot on scums side (though this would be a risky move also due to the fact that TW mentiones Ron in his storytelling).

 

Bottom line is that we need everyone to act fast and speak up (Monday is our deadline and it would be extremely shitty should real Ron miss it) Since mass role claim is not allowed noone protesting will have to be enough.

[Finster Baby]

Subject to change should KH's roleclaim be falsified:

VOTE: Mazuurek

[Lyner]

Woah that escalated fast.

 

 

I see mis-informations everywhere.

 

1. Can Samus clarify if he is a "Tracker" or "Watcher"? Seems like AbT thinks it's the latter. I can confirm I didn't target anyone on the first night.

 

2. KH, did you use your ability last night?

 

3. Preston, if we take into account of TW's last game with similar setup, each scums are given Encryptor role with an additional role, one of them is JoAT. So I wouldn't count out the roles that started with 'Mafia' suffix.

 

4. Regarding names, does anyone have a "bad" name? If not then it means role name doesn't worth anything

 

 

I'd rather have those who doesn't have conclusive info(but will) to keep their role for themselves for now.

[Sister Midnight]

Very hard to not believe King's role claim given identifying as my good friend, Ron, and no one challenging that. King would have to be very stupid to claim that character falsely. I feel really bad voting for Maz because I think he's out of his element and may not be scum, but at the moment he's the scumminest person I have. I'm open to changing my vote if given evidence that Maz isn't scum, or a better suspect comes along. Maz, if it looks like you are to be lynched and you are town, consider role claiming to defend yourself.

VOTE:MAZ

 
4. Regarding names, does anyone have a "bad" name? If not then it means role name doesn't worth anything
 
 
I'd rather have those who doesn't have conclusive info(but will) to keep their role for themselves for now.

We lynched Malfoy and he was scum.

[Mazuurek]

Maz, if it looks like you are to be lynched and you are town, consider role claiming to defend yourself.

:I I'll think about i and i'm confident they will Lynch scum.

[Wolfpacks]

I'm going to be inactive for a couple of days, see you then

[Lyner]

Very hard to not believe King's role claim given identifying as my good friend, Ron, and no one challenging that. King would have to be very stupid to claim that character falsely. I feel really bad voting for Maz because I think he's out of his element and may not be scum, but at the moment he's the scumminest person I have. I'm open to changing my vote if given evidence that Maz isn't scum, or a better suspect comes along. Maz, if it looks like you are to be lynched and you are town, consider role claiming to defend yourself.

VOTE:MAZ

 
4. Regarding names, does anyone have a "bad" name? If not then it means role name doesn't worth anything
 
 
I'd rather have those who doesn't have conclusive info(but will) to keep their role for themselves for now.

We lynched Malfoy and he was scum.

 

 

Can Malfoy be considered an antagonist in the series?

[Sister Midnight]

 

 

 

Can Malfoy be considered an antagonist in the series?

 

Definitely

[Lyner]

Well then, that opens up the option to reveal our role names and see what we can do with it.

 

I'm not sure if that'd work succesfully since it's easy to manipulate though, as in:

1. Scums might wait until most people revealed their names first and then try to pick the good ones left

2. Scums might be given a safe list of names.

 

Another little concern is if the main characters are given higher power than the side characters.

 

 

What say everyone?

[Sister Midnight]

Ron Weasley is one of the three main characters and if King is to be believed he is a commuter, not a powerful role.

[Preston]

I should note that commuter is one of those roles that is VERY easy to fakeclaim - impossible to demonstrate on demand, and only possible to disprove if someone got a result on the night you claim you commuted.

The question I would have is if the 'Ron' name is /too/ main character to be included in our list of roles... TW's been posting paraphased snippets from the book periodically, and if we had one of the main protagonist Trio die then it'd make that quite difficult... it is possible he didnt assign that name. So i don't think we would gain anything by rattling off flavor names, as it would only serve to give scum a list of "dont claim as X to avoid conflict" names.

With that said - Mazuurek does not seem to have much of a defense at all, or even much of an understanding of the game. Normally when a lurker is accused of being scum, it's on the suspicion that the scum KNOWS their best tactic is to lie low and avoid making waves. I'm not sure Mazuurek is thinking that much into it, to where his day 2 lurking would be a scum tell... but at the same time I am not sure if we can/should rely on him.

Wolfpacks posting that he's going to be away/inactive is a bit concerning, as it basically gives him cover to duck out of day 3... I know life happens, but how easy to say you're going to be unavailable and then just watch from the sidelines?

Also, thanks for the answer by way of pointing to TW's prior game... so Mafia could be anything and not just those with the prefix.

I'd still be interested in seeing Finster's teased claim resolve; either he is town and he has already painted a target on himself, or he's scum who is trying to dangle an incomplete claim to avoid focus; I can't see why a townie would START to claim on a day and then not follow through - either keep your silence or do it, in my opinion. Unless you're a Bulletproof or something and want to try to draw the scum shot, I guess.

We've got a day left and then it's Monday... and I dont see a lot of AM talk happening then as it's a work day, so no repeat of Day 2's end and last-minute rush. Do you think we could ask for it to go until CN update time instead of CN noon time, so we'd have that evening to work with?

-Preston

[Samus]

King Hitler is scum, actions with lego from D2 are not forgotten!

[Ali bin Turban]

That's true, we won't get a positive full confirmation out of role name and that safe name claim Lyner's mentioned makes it even more unreliable. Best case scenario is that we'll get negative confirmation (as of now we lack Rafay, ISoc, KevinH comments to be sure)...though I'm starting to think that would be to easy.

 

Hagrid was mentioned in the text and yet he was in game. One could easily edit Ron out of the text if that was necessary (only situation I think where it would be quite challenging would be with Harry Potter himself) ... that obviously does not mean Ron is in game but rather suggests it would be risky for scum to claim it "by chance". Therefore by logic I'd say that:

 

- KH is a scum making a guess about Ron, hoping he's not in game (high risk move, so I bet - slim chances) - negative confirmation possible only here.

- KH is a scum and Ron is his safe name claim (chances unknown, also it's unknown what are the chances of getting such positive character as a safe name?).

- KH is Ron Weasley indeed (chances unknown)

 

All in all it's not conclusive...in fact that claim might not help us at all in deciding what to do (unless we're lucky and get Ron's counteclaim).

 

As for others that are lynch candidates, it's a tough decision. None of them is really giving out a decisive scum vibe.

- Wolfpack has come out with more explanations, even though his suspects list is in generally a list of people that suspect him. I won't hold his leave against him (there's no proof he does it on purpose, so it's fair to give him benefit of a doubt). Still on D3 his actions were not scummy.

- Mazuurek feels like he's rookie that does not really care. It reminds me of Whitebeard in previous game.

- Rafay's as usually a scummy looking fellow not much helping us but he does that every time, no matter if he's town or scum. Also the fact that Mazuurek is voting on him is ironically speaking in his defense.

[iSocialism]

We have a lot of passive pushing for a lynch, but no one wants to vote.  It's going to be a lot harder reading the lynch wagon when everyone is going to be voting for someone else ideas all on the last day.

[Samus]

if all else fails kill one of the KH's.

 

I suggest King Hitler first, then KevinH after

[Ali bin Turban]

We have a lot of passive pushing for a lynch, but no one wants to vote.  It's going to be a lot harder reading the lynch wagon when everyone is going to be voting for someone else ideas all on the last day.

That's true, we've wasted to much time sitting and waiting for some revelation. Actually props to you and KevinH for adding pressure when everyone else waited.

I guess there's no point waiting to see what KevinH and Rafay will say about KH's name (especially Rafay).

 

I could see myself voting on Rafay, but not with Mazuurek on the same wagon.

 

vote Mazuurek

[KevinH]

Unofficial Vote Count
 

Rafay (3): iSocialism, KevinH, Mazuurek

Mazuurek (3): Finster Baby, Sister Midnight, Ali bin Turban,

iSocialism (1): Rafay

King Hitler (1): Samus,

Ali bin Turban (0):

Finster Baby (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: King Hitler, Lyner, Preston, Wolfpacks

 

I expect Rafay to vote for Mazuurek to save himself, but still think Rafay is the best choice.

There are 4 not voting that can influence things before deadline.

If I get killed in the night, put suspicion on those at the bottom of my analysis.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Vote Rafay.
Still have a slight suspicion he's scum and Maz just seems to be a new player. Though his reflecting of Whitebeard "idc" game style is adding suspicion as well.