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[Samus]

At this point anyone still pushing for lego's lynch is directly in my scum book.

[D34THBR1NG3R]

anyway I'm getting scummy vibes from D34TH. @D34THBR1NG3R can you give us a summary on why you suspected Lego on day 1? Any other suspicious person in your mind

 

Here's my reasoning, on the first page he had to say how it would be unlikely that he and the others would be mafia, trying to make him sound like a townie. Second he tried to blame the vote on 1ceCream on me when he voted first, and so mob mentality starting on me, as you can tell, and so I clarified it was a joke, third he role claimed early on, and why I think this is suspicious is so he could make it sound like he's innocent even when people called him out after role claiming early, then he calls out (as chap said) like everyone that hasn't talked while he talks and talks and talks.  Now he's trying way too hard to help out the townies so they think he's the best "team player" ever, which that in itself is just sus as hell. 

@Lyner reasoning why I'm scummy?

[Chaplain of death]

So what'll it be then? Lynch the lurkers? Still find Lego's dismissive behavior quite suspicious. Hes trying awfully hard to appear townie, that could be that he is or that hes scum. 

 

I think the best candidates for lynch would be someone who looks suspicious and is trying really hard to appear townie (but not to actually achieve anything beneficial to the town) while also being directly in the spotlight, or the people who are manipulating wagons without participating in them the way, or the lurkers. Take your pick.

[KevinH]

lie
/lī/
an intentionally false statement.
synonyms: untruth, falsehood, fib, fabrication, deception, invention, fiction, piece of fiction, falsification; (little) white lie, half-truth, exaggeration; informal tall tale, whopper, taradiddle
 
I posted this Day 1:

"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth"
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FoS: Preston, Chaplain of Death, Canik, and Ali bin Turban

 
Today we have these:

Only lurkers. Even KevinH came in, read the topic and left not leaving even a single line as usually.

 

KevinH - You're inactive mate. Scum tell.

... it is Kevin offering something in support of the Lego wagon, while his vote remains on Rafay. 

...as it is the second time he has pushed support for a wagon without voting for it himself. Given that Kevin seems to otherwise be mostly lurking and offering nothing new ...

... find the passive-aggressive approach by Kevin suspicious.

 

... encouraging lynches that he is not always voting for - Rafay on D1 and Lego on D2 ... Tried to cast critical opinions on his D1 behavior as "lies", which did not sit well with me either as it felt defensive on his part.

 

Call it what you will, but I won't let the untruth, falsehood, fib, fabrication, deception, invention, or fiction go unchallenged.

 

An honest analysis of posts would not characterize me as lurking.

An honest analysis of posts shows me supporting and encouraging no-lynch yesterday,

An honest analysis of posts shows me pushing for a lynch on Rafay today.

 

I'm not disputing Ali's assertion that I read the thread without posting, but the follow-up by Finster calling me inactive is just wrong. Then Preston continues with the untruths and iSocialism calls it passive-aggressive.

 

I do not support lynching Lego.  I made a point that his claim of vanilla townie does not necessarily clear him, but that's all.

 

The best choice is Rafay.  Everyone should vote for Rafay.  Nobody should vote for anyone other than Rafay,  My vote went early onto Rafay.  My vote has stayed on Rafay.  I invite everyone to join me in voting for Rafay.  Have I made myself clear? 

 

(I concede the last paragraph was passive-aggressive!)

[Finster Baby]

When I posted that you hadn't posted for a bit - or at least for longer than your usual duration...plus half tongue-in-cheek.

half of me wants to vote for Rafay again. Half Lego, and half d34th. Ali also is on my nerves, but nothing that I can justify a vote for him about.

[1ceCream]

Sorry I'm not that active. My mother has to go to the hospital twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday for her cancer treatment.

[legoboyvdlp]

Finster, are you a 1.5 person? Maybe you mean thirds?

[Canik]

29 hours left. Decisions must be made.

[legoboyvdlp]

Alrigt, so who do you feel should be lynched?

I'm leaning mostly towards D34TH and a bit to Rafay and a bit to Ali bin Turban.

[1ceCream]

I'm NL until everyone comes up and says something. Want to see if anyone looks scummy.

My response to Lego asking me why I voted NL on D1 while pushing for a lynch. 

 

@Preston I was fairly eager to scumhunt D1, with the Lego/D34TH interaction being of interest.

[Finster Baby]

29 hours left. Decisions must be made.

I'm getting my coin out for Rafay/D34th...

Sorry I'm not that active. My mother has to go to the hospital twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday.

Just a placeholder as I get onto my computer so I can type out my thoughts.

Editing isn't allowed. Please make a new post with your thoughts.

[1ceCream]

My bad.

 

Rhizo points out that he believes Lego/Death interaction seems like tVt to him. I was wondering if that could be a scum smokescreen.

 

@Lego Why are you leaning towards AbT for a lynch?  

[Lyner]

@D34THBR1NG3R, As you said yourself, you only focused on Lego and when it is pointed out now, you--I quote Finster--backpedaled. The same could be said on your opinion on Finster. Also you haven't answered my second question, what do you think of the others? The only person you mentioned since this game started is only Lego, Finster, Kevin, Mazu, Rafay, and me. What about Ali or Preston?

 

 

 

 

Vote: Rafay

[Preston]

And now Kevin is doing this again where he tries to paint disagreement or criticism of him as falsehood.

opinion
noun opin·ion \ə-ˈpin-yən\
A view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

So an opinion is a view or judgement - an interpretation of what they see on the matter of your posts - you may *disagree* with the opinions others form based on your posts, but that does not make them lies.

This *Opinion* was based on Kevin posting this yesterday:

Rafay has made exactly 1 post all game.
 
Given that everyone has equal probability to be scum at this point, he's my first choice to lynch (after today).

Here is what I had to say on the matter yesterday, with bolding of one line added for emphasis:

As for Kevin, I am a little surprised by his attempt to characterize the posts criticizing him for his "Rafay has made exactly 1 post all game" as lies. Yes he points out that he would vote for Rafay tomorrow instead of today, but it does not change the fact of that post calling attention to Rafay specifically, drawing everyone's notice to him. The fact that Rafay had two votes at the time of that post and then it went up to five shortly thereafter (and SM said she was about to jump on the wagon as well) is a testament to the fact that the town's attention shifted more fully to Rafay after Kevin's post. I have enough respect for Kevin's intelligence to believe that he was not ignorant of the effect calling out Rafay's post count would have, which makes me view that post as an attempt to influence the town towards a Rafay lynch while he maintained his No-Lynch vote.The fact that four people saw it the same way would seem to show it is a rational conclusion to draw - unless Kevin wants to accuse all four people he lists of being on a scum team together, that blatantly.

And here is what Kevin posted today:

A hypothetical example:

Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.

 ...

Legoboyvdlp, you are the Basilisk, a mafia ninja godfather. You may safe claim as Professor Flitwick.

 ...

Hey Legoboyvdlp, claim that you're a vanilla townie right away, but don't make it a mass roleclaim. Nobody will ever suspect you and you'll pass all investigations.

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I may as well role claim right away as a plain vanilla townie, Prof Flitwick. I'll do my best to survive, and not only that, find scum.

Followed not long after by this:

I have big issues with Lego's role clam, as well.  It just doesn't make sense to do what he did.  He hasn't given a satisfactory explanation although Kevin's list of possible explanations is spot on..

legoboyvdlp, on 04 Aug 2016 - 16:12, said: I may as well role claim right away as a plain vanilla townie, Prof Flitwick. I'll do my best to survive, and not only that, find scum.

Is the vibe I'd like to get from Lego, but I'm not geting it.
 
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VOTE: LEGO.

No post exists in a vacuum - by posting a scum scenario for Lego, even if you label it hypothetical, you are adding information and interpretations to the thread that have an effect on how others view events and how they vote. Per yesterday, I do not believe you are blind to the effect posts like this have; it is literally posing a sequence of events for how Lego could be scum while people are debating that very question. This is what I mean by "offering something in support of the Lego wagon" - a scenario analysis that influenced a vote toward Lego.

In terms of my statement that "Kevin seems to otherwise be mostly lurking and offering nothing new":
1. Kevin has posted three total post counts for people still alive
2. Kevin posted a list of everyone alive on D1 and said scum are among them
3. Kevin posted his "SuperTownieAnalysisTM" - which is just points based on who voted for what D1 and inactivity
4. Kevin posted his usual "It's Day 2. Somebody knows something" along with a Rafay vote based on inactivity per his usual pattern.
5. Kevin posted his usual "It's Day 1. Nobody knows nothin" along with a no-lynch vote per his usual pattern.
6. Kevin posted the definition of a mass-claim
7. Kevin attempted to steer the conversation towards flavor and theme discussion on D1
8. Kevin noted he is scum 25% of the time, and in a second post elaborated that the 25% figure is a rough estimate.

The above are posts where Kevin either followed his usual statistics-based analysis/voting patterns or otherwise posted fluff or definitions. Unless I have miscounted this accounts for over half of Kevin's posts this game; so this is the factual basis for my saying he has not offered much new.

With the above as what Kevin "usually" does, it stands out when Kevin's posts diverge from this pattern to support a wagon - especially while his vote still stays with his pattern.

When I combine how notable it is that Kevin diverged from his pattern to offer posts supporting the Rafay and Lego wagons with the fact his own vote was for a different wagon at the time and the fact that he has since tried to paint criticism of those posts as lies, it just reinforces my suspicion of him.

If Kevin wants to offer another opinion/explanation for how the town should have interpreted his posted scenario of Lego's claim being a scum plan, please do.

-Preston

[Finster Baby]

/me considers Preston's post very carefully.

[The Warrior]

"Or he might have been sacked!" said Ron enthusiastically. "I mean, everyone hates him"

 

Vote Count

 

legoboyvdlp (4): Ali bin Turban, Chaplain of Death, Sister Midnight, Mazuurek

KevinH (3): Preston, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia

Rafay (3): KevinH, Canik, Lyner

Ali bin Turban (1): Samus

D34THBR1NG3R (1): legoboyvdlp

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

1ceCream (0):

iSocialism (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (1): Wolfpacks

Not voting: D34THBR1NG3R, Finster Baby, 1ceCream, Rafay

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, August 19th.

[KevinH]

My post regarding Lego was in response to this:

Lego(39 post), is distinctively different from the last game; more activity and more efforts.
 
One thing I noticed though, he roleclaimed from the start, he is Professor Filius, a vanilla townie. Why did nobody discuss this? Especially AbT since he's the most vocal to kill him yesterday.
 ... 
I think we should discuss Lego's role claim yesterday since I'm pretty certain it is a town tell. Anyone has a different opinion?

 
It seems that Preston doesn't like that I made my response.
I wonder why?  It is just an opinion after all.  

[D34THBR1NG3R]

@D34THBR1NG3R, As you said yourself, you only focused on Lego and when it is pointed out now, you--I quote Finster--backpedaled. The same could be said on your opinion on Finster. Also you haven't answered my second question, what do you think of the others? The only person you mentioned since this game started is only Lego, Finster, Kevin, Mazu, Rafay, and me. What about Ali or Preston?

 

 

 

 

Vote: Rafay

How did I backpedal? (not trying to get angry I just am not really sure, never used the term like that)

 

as for Ali and Preston

 

Preston: Preston IMO is hard to judge for me because his walls of text (no offense) make it so hard to analyse everything he's saying and find any contradictions in his speech albeit there may be some but it's like reading a novel over and over again to find out little facts. For this reason I like to see rather how he interacts with other players, which he doesn't really seem to do a lot of either. It's mostly just his opinion while only sometimes talking directly at a person, although it seems Preston is suspicious of Kevin for not following his usual pattern.

 

Ali: Ali has been all over Lego, he has posted analysis of others but he definitely leans towards Lego, especially with his vote being cast towards him. He keeps providing reasons on why to vote for Lego, albeit most being the same reasons with new intel slowly gathered. Which is the reason why I let off of Lego, there was a lot I could use against him D1, but other than that he has't been very suspicious and I didn't see the need of having tunnel vision on him anymore.

[KevinH]

Here's a count of just Day 2 posts:

18 legoboyvdlp
13 D34THBR1NG3R
12 Finster Baby
12 The Warrior
10 KevinH
 7 Chaplain of death
 7 Lyner
 6 Ali bin Turban
 6 Canik
 6 Mazuurek
 6 Preston
 6 Rhizoctonia
 5 1ceCream
 5 Samus
 4 Sister Midnight
 3 Wolfpacks
 2 iSocialism
 1 Rafay
 

Note: This is intended as an encouragement to lynch.

[Finster Baby]

IMO while Lego remains suspicious, he has improved upon his D1 fiasco and is providing useful info.

Still not sure who I'm voting for yet. It'll either be Rafay or D34th. Rafay for his inactivity, D34th for his inconsistency and his "declaration" that I was town on D1.