Insurance companies try to jack up premiums when re-enrolling is just normal business practice over here. At least in that case they are telling you the old price, here you have to find your original letters.

 

Does this not happen with car or home insurance in the US?

Does this not happen with car or home insurance in the US?

Not normally, at least not to the extreme we are seeing with health insurance. Every once and awhile it ticks up a few dollars but nothing drastic.

 

Buying an expensive car, filing a claim, getting a ticket, or having a car accident are the primary reasons your insurance goes up.

 

you people are masochists.

Choke me daddy.

 

Oh wait, this isnt the NSFW thread.

 

 

I'm sorry, but I am at work, and laughed at this way harder than I should have.

Uh oh... James Comey has just announced that in light of new developments, he is re-opening the FBI criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server. Can it be done in a week?

Probably not. Could you imagine what would happen if she wins the election and then immediately after gets indicted? That would sure be one for the history books.

 

The FBI didn't specify where they got the information, but said it came from another Government source. Apparently this information wasn't found on Clinton's server nor was it in the Wikileaks releases. Makes you wonder what the severity of this content is, and the degree Clinton or her staffers were involved with this new evidence. Even if it turns out to be nothing, I am still glad the case got reopened in light of new evidence.

Probably not. Could you imagine what would happen if she wins the election and then immediately after gets indicted? That would sure be one for the history books.

 

The FBI didn't specify where they got the information, but said it came from another Government source. Apparently this information wasn't found on Clinton's server nor was it in the Wikileaks releases. Makes you wonder what the severity of this content is, and the degree Clinton or her staffers were involved with this new evidence. Even if it turns out to be nothing, I am still glad the case got reopened in light of new evidence.

Sorry, just got home... apparently it's from the Weiner probe... er uh... the Anthony Weiner probe. Yeah that would be a gold mine. If Weiner turns on the Clinton's, it's truly the end of the line for them all. If this doesn't stop Hillary's election, and she is sworn in... she would make history in many ways. First woman elected, first woman impeached, and they would end up as the first husband and wife to both be impeached. Just when you think all the weirdness is out, and the cake is baked... Boom!

Just voted today. Definitely a huge line. Made me happy to see so many people voting.

Hey SeaBee... What state are you in? We have early voting in Nevada, but my wife and I treat election day like a holiday... we take the day off, go to Starbucks, grab a joe or a mocha, go vote, have breakfast with great Mimosa's, maybe a movie, martini bar, games, take home a pizza and watch the returns. The next day we either celebrate, or start working to undermine their agenda.

 

Life is FUN!

Hey SeaBee... What state are you in? We have early voting in Nevada, but my wife and I treat election day like a holiday... we take the day off, go to Starbucks, grab a joe or a mocha, go vote, have breakfast with great Mimosa's, maybe a movie, martini bar, games, take home a pizza and watch the returns. The next day we either celebrate, or start working to undermine their agenda.

 

Life is FUN!

Texas. Good turnout so far. I just did some errands and stop at city hall on the way i really should view it more as a celebration and not a duty haha

Texas. Good turnout so far. I just did some errands and stop at city hall on the way i really should view it more as a celebration and not a duty haha

That is not a bad idea,

 

I'm a voting nerd. I vote in every election, big or small. The first time I voted I had a huge rush as soon as I closed the curtain on the booth. ( I sure miss those curtained voting booths, my state has us fill in a form, NY had booths when I lived there.) So anyway, I get always get very excited and start thinking about what a privilege it is to vote. I must be grinning ear to ear because for the rest of the day people smile at me and say hello was we pass each other. I wear my little "I voted" badge with great pride, and try to think of ways to appropriately encourage people to make it to the polls, without being intrusive. Like I said, I'm a voting nerd.

so who said the Feds are on Clinton's side?

so who said the Feds are on Clinton's side?

Barack Obama, Loretta Lynch, and every single Cabinet or appointed Administration crony is on Clinton's side. They all know she's guilty. They all know she created an illegal private communication system completely off of Government Oversight for the sole purpose of preventing anyone from ever seeing what she was doing. They all took part in white-washing and declaring her innocent... and it's all supported by a fantasy blanket of "intent"... because it's all a big mistake. The story is, she "accidentally" hid, and destroyed, evidence.

 

Everyone knows this is bullshit. Hillary supporters either don't care that she's a criminal, or they are so stupid they believe the above story. There is one group of people involved that are not on Clinton's side... they are not on Trump's side... they are on the side of the law. They are the rank and file FBI Agents that did the work, and they know she is guilty as sin.

 

Bill Clinton is not the only pervert in the Clinton syndicate. One Clinton insider has made a habitual practice of going online and doing all kinds of kinky things, and age had little to do with it. His name is Anthony Weiner... AKA "Carlos Danger". Now this guy is a special case for the Clinton's. He was a valuable ally to the Clinton syndicate... he was a very powerful New York City Congressman, and he was the future Mayor of New York City. The Clinton's invested heavily in their prodigal son. They even married him to Huma Abedin... Hillary Clinton's very own brain, hands, guardian angel... you know, the daughter she always wanted. Anthony couldn't keep his Weiner off the internet, and it destroyed his political career... twice, most people couldn't come back from the first time, but hey, it's the Clinton's.

 

Anthony didn't stop after the second time. One was a 15 year old girl. Now the FBI gets involved, and they seize all the computers in the house. One just happens to be the property of Huma Abedin. Now can you imagine the surprise? The look on the faces of all these FBI guys when they cracked open Huma's computer? I would pay money to see that "Holy Mother of God!" look when they are face to face with everything Huma and Hillary have talked about... even seeing things they could go to prison for simply looking at. My guess is this is what has occurred... it makes sense. The one they didn't bleach.

 

Now James Comey is in a "Catch 22". They built a lack of intent case to exonerate Hillary. Now they have all the intent, and all the lies, and no way to keep it quiet. The case against Hillary will be opened once again... the only question is when. I'm sure they wanted to wait until after the election, but those FBI guys that did the work won't let it fly this time. "Open it now... or we will go public", and they all go down in cover-up flames. This is what I believe has happened.

 

Can it be done in a week? I think it can. The investigation has already happened. This just fills in all the holes, exposes the intent, and reveals the lies. Open and shut... "Indictment". This should happen, and it should happen sometime next week. Let's all cross our fingers and hope. It's time for all of us to be real Americans for a change.

When your neighbor puts up a gigantic stupid sign... make sure everyone knows it.

someone go tell the FBI to use the "million dollar top secret tool" that is called "CTRL+F". Choice keywords are: Hillary, Clinton, seekritz!

 

650k mails? I am happy I just get 1 "spammy" mail a week

When your neighbor puts up a gigantic stupid sign... make sure everyone knows it.

 

This gave me a good chuckle.

 

When your neighbor puts up a gigantic stupid sign... make sure everyone knows it.

 

This gave me a good chuckle.

 

I laughed as well.

 

Well played neighbor. Well played.

I bring more amusement

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEEgplXwNWk

I bring more amusement

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEEgplXwNWk

 

lol thank you. Saw that earlier.

 

Lys I'ma approach these one at a time. I'm not making an argument that anything shes done is legit, or that I agree with her on these points you are making, since you are right, and in any NORMAL election I would likely vote for someone else for those reasons, but this one is far from normal.

 

Republicans have used non-official email servers in the past and deleted evidence from them as well. Except theirs was kept by the RNC. There is a precedent for that sort of thing to be done. Does that make it okay? no, but nobody on the right cried over that one even though they deleted roughly 22 million emails (yes you read that right, 22 million) when they were requested by congress. Just saying. Clinton 55,000, Republicans, 22 million. http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/

 

Bill Clinton is pervert. Fact. Donald Trump is a pervert. Also fact. Listen to the words coming out of his mouth, its pretty obvious. No citation needed, hes proven it repeatedly.

 

Oh look some guy connected to the candidate is also a pervert? Enter Jeffrey Epstein. Trump says hes a "stand up guy". Hes also a registered sex offender. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-donald-trump-pervert-article-1.2683705 (yeah I know you dislike the source and the story is slanted but facts are still in there if you sift through the bs)

 

 

 

While we're at it why don't I go ahead and make the case for pretty blatant foreign involvement in our election process, and more so than just campaign contributions which we know happens on both sides.

 

Trump invited Russia to hack into State Department classified information.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-invites-russia-to-meddle-in-the-us-presidential-race-with-clintons-emails/2016/07/27/a85d799e-5414-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html

 

They've threatened nuclear war unless we elect Trump. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russian-trump-idUSKCN12C28Q

 

Trump has a computer server that communicates exclusively with a server in Russia's biggest bank at a rate that suggests email communication. (this one is more at conspiracy theory level than the above so take what you will from it but its still hugely concerning considering the other connections.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-computer-server-russia-alfa-bank/

 

Just to top it all off, Trump has said unequivocally that he has no connection to Russia nor with Putin himself. Which to put it in his terms is WRONG. To put it in normal people terms, its a bare faced lie. He's met with Putin on multiple occasions and has bragged of having "a relationship with Putin". 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-gets-full-flop-whether-hes-had-relati/

 

 

All of that aside. They are both crooked bastards who have no business anywhere near the Presidency IMO. However even given those 2 steaming piles of shit for candidates , I can't help but be forced to choose one because of the power of their political parties and the fact that one of them will without a doubt be president. As I've said before, there are a multitude of reasons to vote for one candidate or the other. 

Speaking for myself, the vast majority of concerns I have leave me unable to vote for Trump. Its not that I want Clinton elected, I don't, but I find it morally irresponsible and disgusting to even consider voting for Trump personally.

My concern and why I butt heads with those of you who are planning on voting for Trump is that you seem to be unconcerned with downsides with your own candidate and are eating up all the accusations against Clinton. As I've said they are both awful choices, so I can understand your hatred towards Clinton, but my point and why I don't just give up, is that you should acknowledge how truly awful a candidate Trump is even if you do plan on voting him. If you ignore those facts, then how can you be sure you are making the right choice? You can't, you become just another pawn in the brain washing power struggle of Democrats vs Republicans. Don't vote based on party lines. Vote based on your values and how each candidate aligns with those values. Trump may well be the right candidate for you, but you should still be aware of who he is as a person and what he's done and said. 

I completely understand your position, chaplain. I think if I had a vote I'd vote Clinton but for two things. 1) The Supreme Court appointment. I don't agree with the politics of the sort of justice she would appoint. It's just too important an issue. 2) She actually has a criminal investigation hanging over her head *on election day*. That's unprecedented.  

 

On the other hand, I am really, really unhappy about having Trump anywhere near the big red button, as well as with the way he demeans women, which is simply revolting. The problem of him having access to nukes would be enough to push me into Hillary's arms were it not for the Supreme Court appointment.

This is one big reason why I have chosen Trump as my candidate. Its not about picking who is President, but who will break the 4-4 tie in the Supreme Court. That appointee will likely effect our country for the next 25-30 years. I am choosing to look at the big picture. I am not voting for Trump the person, I am voting for Trump the candidate. I will never vote for someone with an ongoing criminal investigation.

 

One thing this year's election has showed me, is for how difficult it is for me to take progressives seriously. They downplay ever negative thing about Clinton, but when the attention turns to Trump they are at the forefront attacking him on every single issue. One thing many are not aware of, is that while I am in the Republican Party, my viewpoints align with conservatism, and I do not follow the traditional Republican way of thinking. I do my absolute best to give equal thought to all candidates, and have bashed Republican politicians on numerous occasions (not necessarily on our forums but I do it often in person). To give a few brief examples, I've never liked John McCain, Mitch McConnell, and John Boehner. They are all sell outs and RINOs. The one thing I hate more than a Constitution trashing Democrat, is a Republican RINO. They promise that once they get elected they will fight to keep the Republican values, but time and time again they cave, don't fight for what their constituents want, and still have the nerve to lie through their teeth about how they are fighting a good and noble fight. Thankfully John Boehner no longer has a job due to the pressure conservatives put on him.

 

And the more I think about it, its interesting to watch what is happening with Comey. I recall Democrats praising him for doing his job the right way, and now they want to demonize him because he reopened a criminal investigation (also still doing his job). Senator Harry Reid claims Comey may have violated Federal Law. Oh I'm sorry, but law enforcement doesn't withhold evidence or refuse to restart an investigation in light of new evidence, just because it would be inconvenient for someone. Or be damaging to their political career. But nevertheless, millions of mindless sheeple will go vote for a woman under FBI criminal investigation, all because Trump has said some nasty things.

 

 

Funny how a decade ago, voting for someone who is under FBI investigation was considered unheard of and unethical. Oh how times have changed.

Just here to say, Fuck Bill Weld

 

This is one big reason why I have chosen Trump as my candidate. Its not about picking who is President, but who will break the 4-4 tie in the Supreme Court. That appointee will likely effect our country for the next 25-30 years. I am choosing to look at the big picture. I am not voting for Trump the person, I am voting for Trump the candidate. I will never vote for someone with an ongoing criminal investigation.

 

One thing this year's election has showed me, is for how difficult it is for me to take progressives seriously. They downplay ever negative thing about Clinton, but when the attention turns to Trump they are at the forefront attacking him on every single issue. One thing many are not aware of, is that while I am in the Republican Party, my viewpoints align with conservatism, and I do not follow the traditional Republican way of thinking. I do my absolute best to give equal thought to all candidates, and have bashed Republican politicians on numerous occasions (not necessarily on our forums but I do it often in person). To give a few brief examples, I've never liked John McCain, Mitch McConnell, and John Boehner. They are all sell outs and RINOs. The one thing I hate more than a Constitution trashing Democrat, is a Republican RINO. They promise that once they get elected they will fight to keep the Republican values, but time and time again they cave, don't fight for what their constituents want, and still have the nerve to lie through their teeth about how they are fighting a good and noble fight. Thankfully John Boehner no longer has a job due to the pressure conservatives put on him.

 

And the more I think about it, its interesting to watch what is happening with Comey. I recall Democrats praising him for doing his job the right way, and now they want to demonize him because he reopened a criminal investigation (also still doing his job). Senator Harry Reid claims Comey may have violated Federal Law. Oh I'm sorry, but law enforcement doesn't withhold evidence or refuse to restart an investigation in light of new evidence, just because it would be inconvenient for someone. Or be damaging to their political career. But nevertheless, millions of mindless sheeple will go vote for a woman under FBI criminal investigation, all because Trump has said some nasty things.

 

 

Funny how a decade ago, voting for someone who is under FBI investigation was considered unheard of and unethical. Oh how times have changed.

 

 

 

The second picture is of an opinion piece.

 

And the more I think about it, its interesting to watch what is happening with Comey. I recall Democrats praising him for doing his job the right way, and now they want to demonize him because he reopened a criminal investigation (also still doing his job)

 

 

Sure, but if you're going to go that route, the same could be said about Republicans.  Please tell me how Republicans are any different or any better.  The Republicans just did the exact opposite, they started out demonizing him, advocating resignation and suggesting he is covering up for her, attacking him saying he's a Democrat (when in fact it's proven he's not), to now suddenly praising him that he has now reopened to case.  I don't honestly know what your point is, but in no way can you attack democrats for going from one extreme to the next without putting Republicans right in with them.  Both sides are happy when things are for them or help them, angry when they're not.  

Sure, but if you're going to go that route, the same could be said about Republicans.  Please tell me how Republicans are any different or any better.  The Republicans just did the exact opposite, they started out demonizing him, advocating resignation and suggesting he is covering up for her, attacking him saying he's a Democrat (when in fact it's proven he's not), to now suddenly praising him that he has now reopened to case.  I don't honestly know what your point is, but in no way can you attack democrats for going from one extreme to the next without putting Republicans right in with them.  Both sides are happy when things are for them or help them, angry when they're not.  

 

I think a lot of that stems from the fact Comey is a government employee, Republicans felt Comey was just another part of the political machine that chose to cut the investigation short. I personally didn't have a problem with Comey's first decision as I expect someone in charge of a governmental investigation to be a person of strong character, and carefully weigh factual evidence. A lot of Republicans I have personally talked to said they didn't like the 1st outcome, but they accepted it because nothing more could be done.

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around. In the grand scheme of things, does my point even matter? No it does not. Its simply my own personal observation.

 

To change the topic, at this point in time with the election mere days away, the constant fluctuating polls that come out in swing states doesn't matter, the political banter from talk show hosts who bring in so called experts doesn't matter, all that matters now is how many people will choose to go out and vote on Tuesday. Polls were helpful weeks ago, but the majority of voters have already made up their minds. What will give us a good indication of the outcome are the exit polls. I expect a lot of people will be glued to their TVs, Phones, and Computers come election day. However, we probably won't find out the results until early Wednesday morning.

 

So go out and vote people!

 

Sure, but if you're going to go that route, the same could be said about Republicans.  Please tell me how Republicans are any different or any better.  The Republicans just did the exact opposite, they started out demonizing him, advocating resignation and suggesting he is covering up for her, attacking him saying he's a Democrat (when in fact it's proven he's not), to now suddenly praising him that he has now reopened to case.  I don't honestly know what your point is, but in no way can you attack democrats for going from one extreme to the next without putting Republicans right in with them.  Both sides are happy when things are for them or help them, angry when they're not.  

 

I think a lot of that stems from the fact Comey is a government employee, Republicans felt Comey was just another part of the political machine that chose to cut the investigation short. I personally didn't have a problem with Comey's first decision as I expect someone in charge of a governmental investigation to be a person of strong character, and carefully weigh factual evidence. A lot of Republicans I have personally talked to said they didn't like the 1st outcome, but they accepted it because nothing more could be done.

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around. In the grand scheme of things, does my point even matter? No it does not. Its simply my own personal observation.

 

To change the topic, at this point in time with the election mere days away, the constant fluctuating polls that come out in swing states doesn't matter, the political banter from talk show hosts who bring in so called experts doesn't matter, all that matters now is how many people will choose to go out and vote on Tuesday. Polls were helpful weeks ago, but the majority of voters have already made up their minds. What will give us a good indication of the outcome are the exit polls. I expect a lot of people will be glued to their TVs, Phones, and Computers come election day. However, we probably won't find out the results until early Wednesday morning.

 

So go out and vote people!

 

 

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around.

 

 

If you're honestly going to sit there and blatantly lie I don't know what anyone's point of arguing with you is.  Either your bias is showing through in rapid numbers, or you're severely kidding yourself into actually believing what you're saying.  The few Republicans that complained?  LOL.  How many hearings did they have with Comey and sat there and drilled him?  How many times did I see Republican leaders come out in disbelief that nothing is coming of it?  How many Republican supporters did I see making the various comments I mentioned as I watched the live feeds on FB from Fox News when Comey was being questioned, or the comment section of articles posted about Comey.  How many of my Republican friends post memes and make their statuses calling for him to resign and covering for her?  I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.  If you're going to downplay all the outrage and anger shown by Republicans when he said no charges would come of it, you certainly do not have any right to call anyone else out.  Both parties are as guilty of this as the other, I can at least be critical of both.

 

You honestly have me here actually defending Democrats that's how sad this is.  Who cares if it's your own observation, you made the statement to call out Democrats and make them look poorly...that's the point.  If you're going to do that, maybe your party not be as guilty?

 

 

Sure, but if you're going to go that route, the same could be said about Republicans.  Please tell me how Republicans are any different or any better.  The Republicans just did the exact opposite, they started out demonizing him, advocating resignation and suggesting he is covering up for her, attacking him saying he's a Democrat (when in fact it's proven he's not), to now suddenly praising him that he has now reopened to case.  I don't honestly know what your point is, but in no way can you attack democrats for going from one extreme to the next without putting Republicans right in with them.  Both sides are happy when things are for them or help them, angry when they're not.  

 

I think a lot of that stems from the fact Comey is a government employee, Republicans felt Comey was just another part of the political machine that chose to cut the investigation short. I personally didn't have a problem with Comey's first decision as I expect someone in charge of a governmental investigation to be a person of strong character, and carefully weigh factual evidence. A lot of Republicans I have personally talked to said they didn't like the 1st outcome, but they accepted it because nothing more could be done.

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around. In the grand scheme of things, does my point even matter? No it does not. Its simply my own personal observation.

 

To change the topic, at this point in time with the election mere days away, the constant fluctuating polls that come out in swing states doesn't matter, the political banter from talk show hosts who bring in so called experts doesn't matter, all that matters now is how many people will choose to go out and vote on Tuesday. Polls were helpful weeks ago, but the majority of voters have already made up their minds. What will give us a good indication of the outcome are the exit polls. I expect a lot of people will be glued to their TVs, Phones, and Computers come election day. However, we probably won't find out the results until early Wednesday morning.

 

So go out and vote people!

 

 

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around.

 

 

If you're honestly going to sit there and blatantly lie I don't know what anyone's point of arguing with you is.  Either your bias is showing through in rapid numbers, or you're severely kidding yourself into actually believing what you're saying.  The few Republicans that complained?  LOL.  How many hearings did they have with Comey and sat there and drilled him?  How many times did I see Republican leaders come out in disbelief that nothing is coming of it?  How many Republican supporters did I see making the various comments I mentioned as I watched the live feeds on FB from Fox News when Comey was being questioned, or the comment section of articles posted about Comey.  How many of my Republican friends post memes and make their statuses calling for him to resign and covering for her?  I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.  If you're going to downplay all the outrage and anger shown by Republicans when he said no charges would come of it, you certainly do not have any right to call anyone else out.  Both parties are as guilty of this as the other, I can at least be critical of both.

 

You honestly have me here actually defending Democrats that's how sad this is.

 

Rhizo, you're reading too much into what I said.

 

It is my personally opinion, based on what I saw and who I interacted with at that point in time, made me come to the conclusion that not many Republicans handled it irresponsibly. I don't live under a rock, but I simply didn't see it happen that much.

 

If you want to attack me and call me an outright liar than I am done with this conversation. I've known you for many years Rhizo, I didn't expect to see you jump down the throat of an old friend. You know I am no liar and that I am a man of good character.