Still it was my fault that town lost, i threw away the framer suggestions and just went with my investigations, if i had stayed with the plan, town would have romped it

You were very lucky/skill gut feeling and able to target every scum player. Without that the town probably didn't even have a chance to begin with.

Congratulations to the winners!

 

 

 

I had pretty much chalked this up to the loss column after the failed attempt to lynch Mandarijn happened, and Kevin was lynched. All 4 of the scum were on the Mandarijn wagon

 

This. After that vote it was obvious who's who. If there was a scum voting along with Mandarijn all he needed to do was to switch his vote to end game. I can't believe you guys have lost it . 

Yep. I was quite shocked. Had I not been murdered I would have fought for everyone who voted for Mandy to be lynched.

 

Btw, why did you guys kill me, I was the weakest looking player? Granted I was able to pull myself together after Ali's death, but I played very badly and I figured everyone had written me off. Just curious.

I'm glad you enjoyed it despite the activity from some. It is unfortunate when everyone who signs up cannot afford to dedicate the appropriate amount of time to the game and in larger games it is more difficult to find replacements because most of the active mafia players are already involved.

 

In my opinion there are really only a couple things we can do to rectify low activity/lurking issues as a community:

 

1) If you cannot afford to actively participate in a game at a certain time, sit it out. Don't hurt the game by going inactive for a week.

2) Make a concerted effort as a mafia community to eliminate lurkers and severely inactive players by choosing to get rid of them during the early game days if replacements are not found for them. I want to stress this point in particular: it is obviously easier to eliminate someone who has said or done something relatively suspect early on, but just remember that every player in the game has the exact same odds of being scum. Roles are assigned completely randomly so an inactive player could be scum just as easily as an active player. If we make a real effort as a group to get rid of lurkers/inactives early in games it will either force them to actively participate or stop them from signing up and affecting other future games.

 

However I was not aware a Framer could make scum appear not-scum; per the mafiascum wiki it just makes anyone return a "mafia" result. They note there's a variant to make scum appear non-scum, the Tailor - but what we had was just a Framer. Obviously interpretation was up to TW, but being able to 'protect' themselves in that way is interesting. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Framer

Also this. Framer can only make people guilty, therefore he does nothing when targeting other scums. Sure TW can do whatever he want's with his roles but he shouldn't call those custom roles the same, since Framer here is not a Framer we can read about on mafia wiki.

 

I will admit that I should have probably labeled Rhizo's role as a Tailor instead of a Framer in this particular game, however, I will also note that if that question had been asked of me during the game, I would have responded and confirmed this as a possibility. Questions can always be asked of the mod in-game or in a PM. Whether or not an answer is given to a particular question is up to the mod's discretion of course but you won't know if you don't ask.

 

Take this criticism with a grain of salt as you've done quite well thus far modding and I have no desire to discourage you from continuing to mod.

 

We can't be second guessing the information you've already given us. We don't need to ask the mod what the Framer role can do if that framer role's rules are readily available. Its on you as the mod to make sure that any and all information provided to the players is accurate. If you departed from the norm, and realized that there could be a mix-up, you could have corrected us when the issue was discussed in game. Many of us fall back on the wiki, if your rules are different in some way from those on the wiki, you should inform the town ASAP after you notice this (like if we are saying the it works in a way different from how you are having it work and are linking to a wiki page saying the same). It would obviously be better to double check before hand as you are essentially confirming the existence of a role if you have to correct the rules regarding a specific role.

 

Otherwise nice game. Found it a bit like pulling teeth to get the town to even make an attempt at winning..... so it goes. Well played on the insane cop role scum.

Being a newish player to the Mafia game i tend to ask questions, TW has always been helpful when i have to ask him something, keep up the great work mate.

Btw, why did you guys kill me, I was the weakest looking player? Granted I was able to pull myself together after Ali's death, but I played very badly and I figured everyone had written me off. Just curious.

 

You were the least likely to get votes from other townies and most likely would have voted for a scum.

 

Btw, why did you guys kill me, I was the weakest looking player? Granted I was able to pull myself together after Ali's death, but I played very badly and I figured everyone had written me off. Just curious.

 

 

You were the least likely to get votes from other townies and most likely would have voted for a scum.

 

So I redeemed myself? Yay!!! *fist pump*

 

 

I can't leave that unchallenged. Of the last 10 games, the town has won 5 of them. Of those 5 town wins, I was part of 4 of them. I might not have always been successful in my lobby to kill low posters, but to say that it always leads to the town losing the game is patently false.

 

You should try checking how many players you pushed for low post count were actually scum. That's true testament of the effectiveness of this approach...and the problem is, it's bellow a random vote chance. If town followed that direction they would loose every time. The fact they didn't lose is because they didn't follow your pushes in wrong direction. You may defend "kill the lowest poster" strategy as something awesome but it does not change the fact that in a game as complicated as mafia, such simple methods are crap (want some other statistic, check how many times town wanted to lynch you for enforcing that strat ).

@TW I must agree with CoD. It's mods duty to inform players about the roles (otherwise they'll spend entire D1 asking for the rules of each role). These are the game rules, they should be set in stone and should be known. Of course we don't have to know everything (like we never know what exact roles are in game) but putting tailor in play while it's not listed as a possible role, or for instance returning "innocent" for godfather when investigated by insane cop are mistakes.

 

That being said, everyone makes mistakes and it's not the end of the world. All it matters in the end is enjoyment and (despite those terrible inactivity issues) it definitely was here.

@TW I must agree with CoD. It's mods duty to inform players about the roles (otherwise they'll spend entire D1 asking for the rules of each role). These are the game rules, they should be set in stone and should be known. Of course we don't have to know everything (like we never know what exact roles are in game) but putting tailor in play while it's not listed as a possible role, or for instance returning "innocent" for godfather when investigated by insane cop are mistakes.

 

That being said, everyone makes mistakes and it's not the end of the world. All it matters in the end is enjoyment and (despite those terrible inactivity issues) it definitely was here.

I think it bears saying that despite having a lot of issues interfering with my early game play, I really enjoyed the game once my head was in it. On a personal note, I am seriously impressed with you, ALI! You got all assertive, and convincing in there and came so close to saving the town! Very freaking sexy, ALI, very sexy indeed!

Thanks SM .

 

Personally I really like how Yehom and Rhizo have played. Especially Rhizo who's outplayed me with his pushing for KevinH (even though the moment he voted on me I knew he was a scum).

 

 

Btw, why did you guys kill me, I was the weakest looking player?

Because I basically confirmed you being town by gunning for you since the very start of the game. The moment I was lynched and revealed as mafia, I automatically made you the most likely person to be town.  

Sm was never on my radar, she just felt like town to me, but well played Isoc for playing me like a sucker, that wont happen again lol