Why would a scum team not kill a cop? Indeed, because he's insane...

 

But fine I'll wait for WP's result.

Unvote: KevinH

 

 

Why wouldn't you kill the cop, scum?  You don't have to sit there and ask...you're the scum.  My guess, because killing the cop would then ruin the theory you have about WP being insane.  You kill the cop and he comes up as a normal cop, your whole theory you thought up to use at the end of yesterday goes out the window and now everyone knows for sure we're town.  You likely only need one more mislynch, why would you ruin your best outlet/argument to get one more mislynch and end the game? 

 

I already explained in my very 1st post how I would do it. I wouldn't have killed any one last night. And beside that, why would I come up with a whole new theory if I could've just continued using the 'framed' theory as KevinH is now doing?

 

It gets clearer and clearer. If the other townies don't see this, I don't know what else I could be doing...

 

I'm very sure that WP is the insane cop now.

 

Vote: KevinH

 

Why are you so confident about Kev?  Didn't you vote ISoc?

Check the mafia wiki for an insane cop, then look at WP's results and you'll know.

 

 

I didn't know when the night was gonna end so quick so i didn't trck anyone

This actually makes me believe you're town, because if you were scum you would probably just fabricate something if you forgot.

Check the mafia wiki for an insane cop, then look at WP's results and you'll know.

I didn't know when the night was gonna end so quick so i didn't trck anyone

This actually makes me believe you're town, because if you were scum you would probably just fabricate something if you forgot.

Assuming you are town for a moment and WP is an insane cop, it seems too easy honestly. We'd have 3 confirmed scum. TW does love to throw twists into the game, and an insane cop would definitely be a twist. I'm concerned with how close you seemed to be with AbT and how you seem to be very sure there isn't a framer and WP is for sure an insane cop. I'm not sure how you could convince me you truly are town. Just as at this point, without an investigation on you, I have no way of being 100% sure you are scum.

 

The only way I would be able to test this is by 1) lynching you or 2) lynching one of WP's investigations. If we as a town make the wrong choice, we lose.

 

The safest way in my theory would be option two HOWEVER in the event Mandarijn is still scum, we change the target to Rhizo or Yehom. Why? My theory is an investigation immune role has already been investigated, hence the scum do not fear WP. If Mandarijn is scum, he wouldn't cast his vote and try so hard for KH.

 

Unvote

 

I'm going to sleep on this idea.

I clearly stated multiple times that I didn't have cleared Ali completely

 

How about this?

Isn't it obvious that I think Ali isn't scum?

Lynch all liars?

 

I'm looking for a framer and I believe Mandarijn knows who it is.

 

Vote: Mandarijn

Multiple times isn't always, so I don't know how I'm lying? I indeed didn't say it in every post, I never said I did.

 

It's funny though that you 1st play the card of Ali's scum list, but now already changed to lynch me. Please enlighten me who my scum buddies would be?

We've always lynched the easiest, most obvious person and it never turned out good (Yehom will of course say again that I wasn't around, but I came back to help the town because I still wasn't replaced). Now that easy, most obvious target is me and we'll lose from the moment 1 townie votes for me.

 

To make it even clearer that I'm not scum: don't you think scum would've already jumped on my wagon if 2 supposedly confirmed townies (Yehom, KevinH) voted for me? Only 3/4 scum then needs to vote for me. I guarantee you (= the other town members) that this won't happen untill one of you votes for me. If you wait with voting untill 1 day before deadline, it still wouldn't have happened as they need 1 town on my wagon. Then you will be sure that I'm town (if you are still not convinced) and you can join me on voting on the 3 confirmed scum.

I'm actually going to trust Mandarijn on this one. While I have no 100% reason to trust him, I have no 100% to not trust him.

 

We as a collective town need to decide where to act as we need all 5 of us to conduct a lynch before deadline. If we lack a deadline lynch of 3 at the end, scum could easily make one and we lose.

 

If scum hide on a scum wagon and remove their vote last second on a 3 wagon, we lose.

 

We need to decide whether we lynch Mandarijn and follow the theory of a framer.

 

Or

 

We lynch KevinH (or Rhizo) and follow the idea of an insane cop/GF already being investigated.

 

I dont include Yehom as he was investigated AFTER WP claimed. If the godfather had already been investigated, it lays between those 2.

 

If we lynch wrong, we lose. I'm willing to take the blame if we lose. Hell, I've been on the wrong wagon all game so far. Honestly, I feel I've played this game horribly.

 

While I ended yesterday knowing I'd be gunning for Mandarijn and began today with still thinking he is scum. I felt Isocialism would've been the best bet. After looking at the possibility Mandarijn COULD BE town, as he echoes the same cries we've heard from Robert and AbT, I think an insane cop is just as possible as a framer.

 

Vote KevinH

 

Plus, it sounds more fun of an idea to have an insane cop than a framer.

My gut is right more often than it is wrong, and it was right about ABT. My gut is that Mandy is town. I think his defense of ABT probably plays a role in that.

"We tried to shut Percy in a pyramid. But Mum spotted us."

 

Vote Count

 

Mandarijn (2): Yehom, KevinH

KevinH (2): Mandarijn, King Hitler

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

King Hitler (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, November 18th.

What we know:
 

Wolfpacks: Claimed Cop
D34THBR1NG3R: Claimed tracker (but could be mafia tracker)
 
KevinH: Investigated as town and tracked doing nothing.
Yehom: Investigated as town and tracked doing nothing (could be mafia godfather)
Rhizoctonia: Investigated as town (could be mafia godfather)
 
SeaBeeGipson: Not investigated but tracked doing nothing
 
Mandarijn: Not investigated
Sister Midnight: Not investigated
iSocialism: Not investigated
 

Analysis:

The framer is among Mandarijn, Sister Midnight, and iSocialism.  
I think Mandarijn is the best candidate for lynch based on his insistence of Wolfpacks being insane when a framer is a better explanation.
 
SeaBeeGipson is joining Mandarijn in the vote on me so that makes me suspicious of him as well.
 
Wolfpacks is the most townie in my mind and I am willing to vote with him if he thinks there is a better candidate than Mandarijn.

The way I see it, it's highly likely Yehom or Kevin is an investigated immunity scum.  That being said, at this point I feel Mandarijn is the most likely a scum out of anyone.  Sea has seemingly changed his point of view...but I'm not feeling his confrontation with Mand was fake or setup, thus ATM I doubt he's a scum partner with Mand.   SM has been all over the place with votes, and isocialism has been fairly quiet.  D34th could be a part of the 4th scum, though I don't know how common a mafia tracker really is for scum.  

I think Kevin's list has covered basically everything that is known at this moment. That being said I think it’s clear that there are indeed a couple of categories of people at this moment. Wolfpacks being the one that stands out the most being the cop. Death has roleclaimed as well being the tracker which puts him pretty much the same level of town as Wolfpacks. I highly doubt that Death is a mafia tracker from a game standpoint. Seeing how Death played so far, he has been pretty pro-town, roleclaiming after Wolfpacks roleclaimed to provide additional information to the investigations that Wolfpacks made.

 

Then there is the 3 people that were investigated by Wolfpacks being Kevin, Rhizo and me. Rhizo said that there is a likelihood that either me or Kevin have a investigation immunity of some sort. I find that funny seeing as from my side, it’s obviously either you or Kevin being the one that could potentially be the godfather. Fact of the matter is that Kevin and myself have been tracked as well so if there were a godfather, my bet would be that Rhizo is the godfather as he hasn’t been tracked and to my knowledge a godfather has an immunity to investigation, but not tracking and following (correct me if I’m wrong on this). This however doesn’t exclude the possibility that Kevin is the godfather, but with the information that we have now, I assume it’s more likely that Rhizo would be the godfather if there was one.

 

Last category people haven’t been investigated, which include SGB, SM, Manda and iSoc.
SGB has been tracked and nothing was found. This proves nothing, but it does say something. Also overall he has been playing very pro-town in my opinion.
SM has been making really weird calls the whole game. The very late votes on 1cecream (+ a weird request for an extension) and Ali. She is not helping the conversation at all at the moment, instead she just jumps with whatever wagon she sees fit. There isn’t even a reasonable explanation for why she jumps on the wagons (seeing how she first jumped off of the Ali wagon, but later joined it anyway).
Manda was inactive for the first 3 days. D4 starts and accusations fly left right and center. Became very buddy buddy with Ali as soon as he was pretty set on getting lynched. According to him he said that he thought that Ali was the most town of the entire game, but during that day not much of a defense was mounted to protect a fellow townie. Come next day and immediately rushes town that ‘we can’t afford another mislynch’, so don’t lynch me. Immediately doubted the cop after Wolfpacks revealed his results. Why would you automatically assume that the cop is insane when 3 townies pop up from his investigations? There are still more townies left than scum so there is a better chance for the cop to find a townie than scum. Nobody town would just assume that the cop is insane. To me that sounds like a scum move trying to get townies killed.
iSoc I really can’t get a read on. He’s pretty inactive and his posts haven’t been the greatest contribution to the game as well. I’m really 50/50 on him. Him not being investigated, tracked or followed doesn’t help though.

 

My vote on Manda still stands. I’m thinking that SM is pretty much scum as well. There could be a godfather between Kevin and Rhizo and iSoc could be scum potentially as well but it's hard to tell from someone that is inactive at this moment. That makes 3 or 4 names. Here you have your fourth name Manda. I hope you’re happy about it as you seem to pull so much weight and importance on that number.
 

 

 Fact of the matter is that Kevin and myself have been tracked as well so if there were a godfather, my bet would be that Rhizo is the godfather as he hasn’t been tracked and to my knowledge a godfather has an immunity to investigation, but not tracking and following (correct me if I’m wrong on this). This however doesn’t exclude the possibility that Kevin is the godfather, but with the information that we have now, I assume it’s more likely that Rhizo would be the godfather if there was one.

 

 

 

 

You do realize that you and Kevin being tracked means absolutely nothing.  Being tracked and not having any results does not exclude you from being the Godfather, nor does it mean there's any less chance of you being it.  A godfather would have investigation immunity, that's it.  The Godfather doesn't have a power role outside of that, that they would preform at night, so if you were tracked as a godfather it of course would come up with doing nothing, because you have no night actions to make.  It proves absolutely nothing that you were tracked and you didn't do an action, all it proves is you either don't have a night action or didn't use it that night.  It also doesn't exclude you from being a possible mafia ninja either, as a tracker wouldn't be able to catch them doing the action, though unless the Ninja also has investigation immunity, you wouldn't come up town from WP. 

Note to self: Make a ninja godfather in a future game.

 

In terms of this game, any of those investigated as town could be godfathers.

 

Being tracked and seen doing nothing isn't conclusive but it's better than nothing.  

Somebody on the scum team has to deliver the kill and the tracker has to pick the right scum on the right night to see something.

 

I would assume the framer would have an action every night.  If they are seen, they could claim that they were doing some sort of protection, but that hasn't happened.  Those that were seen doing nothing are most likely not the framer.

 

A mafia tracker would be unusual, but so would a framer or insane cop.  I know there's a framer in the game so this game is already in the unusual category.

After 2 days of silence, the 3 scums come out to discuss a bit with eachother, to confuse us even more. Nice try!

 

Kevin's list helps us nothing, just like it did yesterday. If you don't use your opinions/feelings on people you're doomed to lose as a townie... And that's exactly what you're trying to do again.

 

I'll post more tonight when I'm on my laptop, but I think most things have been said already and those 3 are just trying everything to get that last mislynch! We just have to be careful of the 4th scum (SBG or iSoc, my money is still on SBG, but he's playing it smart now to remove suspicion on him when we lynch the other 3 scums. It might work, because when I'm killed next night who's gonna remind the town of this? Or of course it can still be iSoc... Then SBG just hasn't played pro-town on D3.).

I know there's a framer in the game so this game is already in the unusual category.

How do you know?

There has to be a framer because the cop got scum results on Ali and townie results on me.

Ali turned out to be town and because I am also town, the only way the cop could have gotten those results were if Ali were framed.

 

I suppose we could be doubting that the cop published proper results, but I will start with the assumption that the cop speaks truth.

Would an unaware miller have their role disclosed upon death? I don't think we've discussed that theory either.

I have a pretty uneasy feeling about SM, too much weirdness and since she has been called out on it a lot recently she rarely speaks? I know she said she had RL stuff but I assume that's over now so I don't really know what to think, I feel SM is just trying to lay low now.

I have a pretty uneasy feeling about SM, too much weirdness and since she has been called out on it a lot recently she rarely speaks? I know she said she had RL stuff but I assume that's over now so I don't really know what to think, I feel SM is just trying to lay low now.

It's not about SM, it's between KevinH and me (and my possible scum partners).

 

If SM is scum, why would everyone (including the 3 confirmed scums) want to lynch her?

It's not Mandarijn vs me in my mind.  He could easily be a misguided townie, but we have to pick someone and he seems to be the best choice right now to me.  As I said, if Wolfpacks wants to try somebody else, I'll side with him.

It is me vs 3 confirmed scum.

 

But it's true, it doesn't matter to you which townie you lynch. As long as WP doesn't pick one of your scum buddies, I'm sure you will gladly vote for that townie. That's the problem with you scums, you don't scum hunt.

 

@@iSocialism I can't remember you making a post today? We need your input!

Last night I investigated Yehom and he came up Result: Normal Hogwarts Student/Staff.I personally think Mandi is town basic reason for not investigating him.

He nvestigated Yehom, Rhizo, and Kev, as normal, and ALI as not normal. ALI was normal, so that raises the question of insane or Framer. The thing that is telling to me is that I think Yehom is scum based upon his early behavior and defensiveness. Now Kev says he's town and there MUST be a Framer because he's town - unless he's scum, in which case his argument is the best one he could make to defend himself. Did TW put a Framer into play? Maybe, but insane cop seems more likely. Did Wolfy get investigate 3 scum on his first 4 tries? Doesn't seem extremely likely, but my gut says it is more likely than there being a framer, I could wrong, but

 

VOTE KEVIN

Posts during this day:

13 Mandarijn
9 SeaBeeGipson
7 KevinH
4 Rhizoctonia
4 Sister Midnight
3 Yehom
2 D34THBR1NG3R
2 Wolfpacks
0 iSocialism

 

There are only 2 days before deadline.

 

If anything, the townies are more confirmed (godfather and mafia-aligned roles still possible).

Our lynch candidate should come from those that are not confirmed as anything.

I have a pretty uneasy feeling about SM, too much weirdness and since she has been called out on it a lot recently she rarely speaks? I know she said she had RL stuff but I assume that's over now so I don't really know what to think, I feel SM is just trying to lay low now.

Really? I'm posting more than you based on Kevin's numbers.