The MSG Secure Hospital for the Criminally Insane (MSGSHCI)

"We don't call them inmates, we call them patients."

 

Night was falling on the hospital.

"Alright, into your room, come on..." a Nurse chivvied one of the patients into his cell, who had his head down. He slowly obeyed, but the guard in the corner of the room watched carefully. The Nurse began to shut the door, when suddenly a scream came up from a nearby cell. The guard turned. The nurse shut the door quickly, and turned to leave.

The patient's eyes, previously dull and submissive, became alert. He looked up quickly, and reached through the small window in his cell door and quickly plucked a key from the Nurse's back pocket. He withdrew his arm quickly before she turned around to check the cell had locked itself. A quick tug at the door, and she was satisfied enough, hurrying off to deal with the other patients.

 

The sound of footsteps slowly echoed through the corridors of the institution, made by the few people who were left on patrol. The inhabitants of this miserable place were now mostly quiet in their cells. Those who refused to be quiet had been sedated, and a slow calm was descending upon the place. Water dripped slowly from a leaky water pipe above one of the corridors. It was in this corridor where that one patient stood up from his bunk, and quietly unlocked the door. Something was about to happen.

Edited August 16, 200917 yr by molestargazer

And the way you've been posting this day is more reminiscent of the KevinH I know. Why weren't you this critical even on Day 2 or 3 (I'd understand on D1 of course)?

And the way you've been posting this day is more reminiscent of the KevinH I know. Why weren't you this critical even on Day 2 or 3 (I'd understand on D1 of course)?

It's the way I always play. In this game, my approach is to analyze in the context of what is known, not what somebody sees in a "scum-tell".

 

When we lynched Sojourner the townie, there really wasn't any evidence (although I admit that there wasn't much evidence on anybody yet somebody had to be lynched). At that point, I wanted to hold those that did the lynching accountable. I posted what I could but there wasn't much to go on.

 

When we lynched Electric Mango the scum, things suddenly got interesting. We now have a chance to look back on things with a new perspective, knowing he was scum.

Who's the third one ... I have my eye on SJ and Narsis-Nerau ... somehow I still don't see Kazio as scum ...

 

I am truly undecided about the third. I'm not not even 100% sure about Falzis.

 

The battle goes not always to the strong,

nor the race to the swift,

but that's the way to bet!

Activity seems a little slow. I'll be gone this weekend so you won't hear from me then.

 

I'd like to hear from Martino and Aquinas. If either wants to vote Falzis, then I'll add the last vote and we can go into the night. If somebody wants to make a case for lynching somebody else, I'd like to hear it.

Done.

 

Vote: Falzis

 

Clear conspiring with Electric Mango, the only confirmed scum.

Drastic play style differences.

-voting no lynch

-dramatic rather than logically toned posts

<Theory>

-mafia goons must vote similarly together and can not vote once one is dead

-confirms friendliness together

-confirms immediate no lynch vote

 

Sorry about this posts lameness but, im headed out of town right now. I will be gone over the weekend. Good luck.

Let there be night.

 

Vote: Falzis

VOTE COUNT

Falzis (5): Kaziocore, Sir Jesus, Theophilos, Aquinas, KevinH

No Lynch (1): Falzis

 

Not Voting (2): Nerau, Martino

 

With 8 Alive, 5 is needed to lynch.

 

Narsis is V/LA from 5 days from the 27th.

 

Day breaks, and within an hour of discussion starting, Falzis' protestations are swept aside as he is unceremoniously dragged to the noose and hung. Eager with anticipation, the reamining inmates rush to his cell to find... nothing?!

 

Falzis, TOWNIE, has been lynched.

It is now NIGHT 4. Night actions to me by SUNDAY 2nd AUGUST.

Day dawns. The cafeteria is now to starting to resemble something from a horror movie, with the blooded tables underneath the noose where, yesterday, the body of Falzis hung. There are bodies in one corner, starting to pile up. And yet only ONE of the many dead was one who deserved it. The members of the hospital are now in panic - they know that their time is running out.

There is no air of surprise when they discover one of their number is missing. This time, Aquinas has faced the knife of the intruders. A search of his room finds nothing.

 

Aquinas, TOWNIE, has been killed.

 

It is now DAY 5.

Deadline is MONDAY 17TH AUGUST.

Told you so.

ok a few things things:

 

first, yesterday went by way too fast.

 

secondly, @Kaziocore: why the quick vote on Falzis yesterday?

 

thirdly, we are most likely at LYLO today.

 

fourthly, i'm going to go over voting patterns and such tomorrow(in RL). the game has been going on long enough that we should be able to find mafia from that.

ok a few things things:

 

first, yesterday went by way too fast.

Yeah, I am not so happy about that either. Even if there was a consensus that we should lynch Falzis, we could still have used the remaining time to discuss the rest of the players. Anyway, I'd like to apologize for not posting yesterday, but I was doing a reread of D3 and when I was done I discovered that the day was already over.

 

KevinH - why did you think it was a good idea to finish the day that fast? Even if Falzis would have been a scum, wouldn't we still have been able to get more information by waiting a few days? Also, why did you first want to have someone else vote before hammering Falzis? Why not just place that 4th vote?

secondly, @Kaziocore: why the quick vote on Falzis yesterday?

/quote]

 

I was really convinced that he was scum. I don't see the reason not to vote him back then.

Also why did you comment on that on Day 4?

 

Now I think I see the strategy EM used. He knows that Falzis is in danger of being lynched. Knowing that he is townie, he tried to defend him so that when we lynch Falzis, we will think that EM is townie because he defended a townie. We were just lucky that EM was lynched.

secondly, @Kaziocore: why the quick vote on Falzis yesterday?

 

I was really convinced that he was scum. I don't see the reason not to vote him back then.

Also why did you not comment on that on Day 4?

 

Now I think I see the strategy EM used. He knows that Falzis is in danger of being lynched. Knowing that he is townie, he tried to defend him so that when we lynch Falzis, we will think that EM is townie because he defended a townie. We were just lucky that EM was lynched.

Activity seems a little slow. I'll be gone this weekend so you won't hear from me then.

 

I'd like to hear from Martino and Aquinas. If either wants to vote Falzis, then I'll add the last vote and we can go into the night. If somebody wants to make a case for lynching somebody else, I'd like to hear it.

 

Activity was slow.

I was going to be gone anyway.

Nobody made a case for lynching somebody else.

I thought Falzis was the best candidate for a lynch.

 

Where do we go from here?

KevinH - why did you think it was a good idea to finish the day that fast? Even if Falzis would have been a scum, wouldn't we still have been able to get more information by waiting a few days? Also, why did you first want to have someone else vote before hammering Falzis? Why not just place that 4th vote?

 

I'm thinking along the same line ... It seems like KevinH specifically wanted to place the hammer vote. Hmm... I must look through the thread again.

I was really convinced that he was scum. I don't see the reason not to vote him back then.

Also why did you not comment on that on Day 4?

 

Now I think I see the strategy EM used. He knows that Falzis is in danger of being lynched. Knowing that he is townie, he tried to defend him so that when we lynch Falzis, we will think that EM is townie because he defended a townie. We were just lucky that EM was lynched.

 

because i was V/LA...

You posted V/LA after I already voted...

We also have the voting to consider.

Day 2sojourner (6): Falzis, original-Narsis, Electric Mango, Kaziocore, Aquinas, Sir JesusFalzis (4): Martino, Theophilos, KevinH, sojourner

Day 3KevinH (4): Falzis, Sir Jesus, new-Narsis, Electric MangoElectric Mango (6): Martino, Aquinas, Kaziocore, KevinH, CanucksDynasty, Theophilos

Falzis and Sir Jesus are the only two that voted to lynch a townie and not lynch a scum. Falzis sure seems like a better candidate than Sir Jesus.

 

My suspicion remains on Falzis.

I was wrong about Falzis.

 

FOS: Sir Jesus

Dead townies speak:

 

(to EM) Sir Jesus has no free pass in my book. In fact I have a few suspicions about him. However, if he is scum and if you are scum I'll lynch you first to help squelch the scum influence over the townies.

 

You're forgetting that the case will be different if EM is scum since it would be illogical for scum to vote for fellow scum. Lol that was the point, if EM is scum, no scum could have voted for EM especially if they could have just tied the vote or tilted it towards Kevin. Right?

 

That's why, I will be shocked to find out if EM is scum. Since that would mean SJ and Narsis are scum.

 

Any other suggestions?

i disagree with Falzis statement as quoted.

 

First, because when Theo voted EM would have died anyway so it wouldn't have mattered who he voted for.

 

Second, because KevinH's vote was an OMGUS of sorts. He basically voted EM to save his own skin.

 

Personally, I think that KevinH is scum. His usual no lynch self let's him get away with Day 1, on Day 2 he voted for Falzis(who turned up townie and mafia would have known he was a townie), on Day 3 he voted against EM(who was scum, but the vote was a save-your-own-skin vote so it makes it kinda of null), and on Day 4 he not only voted against Falzis, but also drove for his lynch, and drove hard(this goes against his earlier playing style which seemed to be keeping it close to the chest. with EM gone, the person formerly driving a lot of the town, it would make sense for another mafia to take up the role of trying to drive the town into the ground).

 

so with that i'm going to:

 

Vote: KevinH

 

VOTE COUNT

KevinH (1): Narsis II

 

Not Voting (5): Theophilos, Sir Jesus, Martino, Kaziocore, KevinH

Edited August 6, 200917 yr by molestargazer

Before I will give my opinion on KevinH/Sir Jesus/Narsis, I would like to ask Kaziocore what do you think about them? Who do you think is town/scum and, more importanty, why?

Before I will give my opinion on KevinH/Sir Jesus/Narsis, I would like to ask Kaziocore what do you think about them? Who do you think is town/scum and, more importanty, why?

 

Right now, I believe that Narsis is the more likely a townie between the three (again back then Nerau looked like he was uninterested in playing (possibly townie)). This may change if KevinH is townie. But I was a little disappointed about the timing of Narsis' V/LA (we won't know who he will really vote and the timing of his vote and how he voted) but I'm sure it's not his fault.

 

Now the two guys left are KevinH and Sir Jesus.

 

I am really not sure but I think lost my confidence that KevinH is townie.

 

I'm thinking that assuming KevinH is scum...

Scum will distance themselves...

EM will try to look like partners with Falzis

And Kevin will be on the other side.

(I remember when this happened on D2 when EM voted KevinH and then when KevinH got 4 votes, EM changed his vote to Nerau then he got lucky that someone got more suspicious who is Falzis so he did not vote KevinH again in D2)

 

On D3 the race was like this one

KevinH

EM

Falzis

 

Then it became like this one

KevinH

EM

 

Here KevinH and EM were forced to vote for each other...

 

Now if KevinH was lynched, then there will be less suspicions for Falzis and EM seeing as they really wanted to vote for Kevin...

Now if EM was lynched which happened, there will be less suspicions for Kevin even if he voted for Falzis the next day because majority really were convinced that Falzis was scum.

 

So if I were to vote I'll vote for Kevin but I'll wait till a lot more people talk like Sir Jesus and Theo and other people (I might get convinced or something)

 

But if KevinH turns out to be townie

Then Sir Jesus is scum.

 

Now about Sir Jesus...

I'm not really that convinced that he's scum. EM voted him before twice I think (I'm not sure but I think he said something about him being inactive). If KevinH turns out to be scum, Sir Jesus is most likely a townie because he voted KevinH twice or thrice...

I can agree with most of your post but I have two issues:

 

1) I wouldn't give Narsis a free pass because the previous player seemed uninterested. Nerau could, in fact, really have been too busy.

 

2) Yes, KevinH voted for EM to save his own skin. However, he did so after EM voted KevinH to save his skin. If EM had voted for Falzis instead, then I think we would have lynched Falzis there. On the other hand, both EM and KevinH are very experienced players. They may have feared that we would lynch one of them next and that they would seem connected. So, overal, I agree that we should not give KevinH a free pass because of that vote, but it does speak slightly in his favor compared to Sir Jesus and Narsis.

 

As I said in my first post of today, I had done a reread of D3. Unfortunately, most of that information was centered around Falzis, but I also made some remarks regarding the other players. I wasn't really suspicious of KevinH and I hadn't noticed any really strange posts, so I did not have any relevant notes of him. The same goes for Theophilos, but for him I am still quite certain that he is town. About KevinH, however, I have my doubts. I am especially wary of the quicklynch of Falzis yesterday. That was simply unnecessary and certainly not in our advantage.

 

Narsis: Didn’t vote on D2. I suppose this was mainly due to the inactivity of Nerau. So I’ll disregard it. His first post after replacing defends EM. At that point EM was receiving some heat, but I was the only one voting for EM. Says he is suspicious of KevinH and Sir Jesus in the same post.

 

This, combined with Narsis' vote today for KevinH makes me believe that they are not scum together. His suspicions of Sir jesus also make that connection less likely. His defense of EM makes him more likely to be scum but EM also made this post:

I have my own wild theory about Nerau that I'll share since you brought him up. The nk scene mentioned there were two killers. What if there were 3 mafia (as most vets would say is about the right amount) but since Nerau was inactive Mole didn't include him in the write up. Nerau could be the mafia godfather and when he didn't send in his night action it went to the 2nd goon in charge and Mole wrote the scene using only the two active goons?

This seems to work in favour of Narsis. Why would EM put forth this theory if this was indeed the truth? There were others in favor of lynching Nerau at that point. Why would EM try to persuade more people to vote for Nerau, if he was his scum buddy? Of course he wouldn't be of much use inactive, but sooner or later he was bound to get replaced.

 

Sir Jesus: I had written this in my analysis: Was the last one to vote for Sojourner on D2 and that vote sealed the lynch. If Falzis is scum, I am convinced that Sir Jesus is scum as well. It would have been a clear way to save his scum buddy. On the other hand, if Falzis is not scum, then I believe it would make it less likely that Sir Jesus is scum. I just can’t imagine the scum putting themselves out there like that if the vote was between two townies.

 

Turns out Falzis was a townie, so I believe that makes it less likely that Sir Jesus is scum.

 

Mentioned early in the day that if there is a strong doc, that he should lay low. This was before EM ‘suggested’ the roleclaim. Since I’ve lynched EM partly for suggesting that roleclaim, I’ll credit Sir Jesus for suggesting that the doc lays low. However, after EM ‘proposed’ the roleclaim, he says that his gut tells him to keep the pro town roles safe and hidden, but he doesn’t immediately reject EM’s plan. Of course he did post his objections, but I would have expected someone who wanted the strong doc to lay low to respond a bit more fiercely to this proposal of EM. So that earn him some suspicion from me.

 

When, at the start of D3, EM was asked who he found the most suspicious he answered Falzis and Sir Jesus. A little later EM votes for Sir Jesus. At this point, KevinH and Theophilos were voting for Falzis and CD and I were voting for Kaziocore. There was no significant pressure on either EM or Sir Jesus at this point. This earns Sir Jesus some townie points from me. On the other hand, it does raise some suspicion against Kaziocore. EM had been too closely connected to Falzis on D1 and 2 to suddenly change all the way and vote him. So if Kaziocore was scum together with EM, EM would have needed to find a new target for the lynch and that turned out to be Sir Jesus. IF Kaziocore is scum, then Sir Jesus is not.

 

Kaziocore: Another interesting post by EM:

Also if I were Kaziocore and I were scum, I would have my vote on Falzis right now. As it's shaping up it's going to be between Kaziocore and Falzis, with Kaziocore having more votes as it stands now. Kaziocore is 1 out of only 3 active players yet to vote. If he were scum I highly believe that he would have voted for Falzis to save his own skin. Instead Kaziocore has basically offered himself up as our next lynch candidate.

At that point it was 3 votes for Kaziocore, 2 for Falzis, 1 for Sir Jesus. EM managed to get Kaziocore of the chopping block with this post. I stated at that time that I did not believe this to be a valid reason to unvote and I still believe so. Anyway, looking back, EM was clearly defending Kaziocore. With EM turning out to be scum, that makes Kaziocore look bad. Finally, after EM's roleclaim proposal:

I'm guessing that the strong doctor can find out information. I imagine the strong doctor is like the head of this hospital and has like the records of all the patients in this place.

If the strong doc would indeed be an investigative/informative role instead of a regular doc, then EM’s suggestion wouldn’t be so outrageous. So this could be viewed as Kaziocore defending EM. However, I may be overestimating Kaziocore here. He is new, afterall, and I am not sure if he could have drawn the conclusion at that point that if the strong doc was an invenstigative role that it wouldn't be so bad to suggest a roleclaim.

 

Anyway, I have one huge issue with Kaziocore possibly being scum and that is his vote for EM. Kaziocore was the third to vote for EM and he was the one that really got the bandwagon going against EM. There is a good chance we wouldn't have lynched EM without Kaziocore. So why would he have done so if he is scum? Also, I've had my suspicions about him since the beginning and, unfortunately, that may lead to me seeing things there are not, just to confirm my believe. So I would like to know from the other players what they think about all this. I would especially like to hear from Theophilos.

Where to start?

 

 

I've been convinced since day 2 that Falzis was scum ... him not being scum put all my theories and connections in a strange light. Up to this point I was sure that the scum trio was: Falzis, EM and SJ (the latter probably).

 

Now I'm not sure about anything any more ... EM was scum, Falzis wasn't ... so who are the two remaining scum?

 

There are six of us left ... I don't see Martino as scum.

 

Narsis II and Kaziocore could be scum I guess ... but less likely.

 

I'm still leaning on my previous opinion that SJ is scum ... and that leaves Kevin, which I never really considered as possible scum, but ... If I was so wrong on Falzis, anything's possible. I have to say Martino's post gave me a lot to thin about, so I'll re-read posts on day 4 and today's posts and write something more on why SJ and Kevin could be or are scum.

If the strong doc would indeed be an investigative/informative role instead of a regular doc, then EM’s suggestion wouldn’t be so outrageous. So this could be viewed as Kaziocore defending EM. However, I may be overestimating Kaziocore here. He is new, afterall, and I am not sure if he could have drawn the conclusion at that point that if the strong doc was an invenstigative role that it wouldn't be so bad to suggest a roleclaim.

 

What I really mean is that when the strong doc protects someone, he would also know the faction of the guy.