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[Rhizoctonia]

I'm more interested in hearing from Rhizo. Do you still suspect Kevin?

 

I'm waiting to see how this day goes.  I vote for someone who comes off the most scummy, and to me that was Kevin D1.  That doesn't necessarily mean that Kevin will get my vote today, but he was the best option for me, and basis of scumminess to go yesterday.  I explained my suspicion in long detail, I'm not going to resay it all again as I imagine most got the gist of it. 

 

See yesterday, D34th was an easy lynch for scum.  Too easy.  Scum could easily be on that wagon and even if it succeeded, still not really throw much suspicion their way.  Most would of simply wrote it off as not a real telling sign, because hey, D34th wasn't going to be around to play anyway so even if he was town he wasn't going to be of any help.  This is why I am against the likes of just voting off an inactive, because low and behold, a replacement was found.  Lurkers/initial inactivness is a whole other story, but true inactives I rather push for a replacement.  

 

I'm not sure if D34th, now Isocialism, is a town or not, but from all the people jumping ship once he was replaced makes me lean towards town.  Luckily, no one was killed last night.  So someone knows something, but at same time, I imagine possibly many PR's were used, so as already stated, the PR's probably don't know if it was their choice or not.  But unlike D1, we do have at least some votes to go on from Yesterday even though today is like D1 all over.  You have the votes for D34th, and you have the vote on Kevin.  I explained my reason for Kevin, I think Sea was also on it as a lulz vote early on.  D34th had enough to lynch at deadline before he was replaced.

 

D34THBR1NG3R (5): Imran Ehsan, Yehom, KevinH, Sister Midnight, Finster Baby

 

I believe that was the point of most votes.  This is the vote I'm looking at mostly at this point.  What I'm looking at is who jumped off it after a replacement was found.   If I was a scum, I wouldn't be too worried about being involved with a lynch of an inactive, as like I already mentioned, the excuse of him being no help to town is an easy defense to make.  Once a replacement was found, then if I was scum, I may think about not being on the wagon of lynching a town D1 if Isocialism is town.  

 

So lets for the sake of argument, Isocialism is town, who was left on his wagon at the end.  That would be Kevin and Imran.  So let's exclude these two, as they didn't jump off the wagon suddenly once a replacement was found.  The people that did, Yehom, SM, and FB.  Those are the 3, if I am going to look at anyone, are the 3 I'm most interested in.  Likely they all aren't scum, I imagine some scum stayed off the wagon since they weren't needed to lynch at deadline.  I would wager one of them are likely a scum.  That is, if Isocialism is town.  Waiting to see some responses from Isocialism to feel him out more, but at this point I'm not suspecting him.

 

Long post, but wanted to get where my head is at

[KevinH]

@sm yes. Normally bulletproof people get notified they were shot in normal games. However since there was no deaths a bulletproof role is unlikely. A bulletproof role indicates multiple killing roles. Like sk, vig, and or mafia. I would find it unlikely there's a bulletproof in this game unless mafia hade very spacial powers to help balance.

So I'm betting a town power role action prevented the night kill.

 

I disagree with this.

 

"Since there were no deaths a bulletproof role is unlikely" --- How about the attempted kill went to the bulletproof townie? No deaths.

 

"indicates multiple killing roles" --- Why?  For balance, the setup may need to keep certain roles alive for a few days and so give a 1-shot bulletproof modifier.

 

For the townie power role to prevent the kill with alot of players, it would have to be extremely lucky. The townie would be picking 1 out of 12 choices to protect and the scum would be choosing 1 out of 10 choices to kill and they would have to match. Or the townie would be choosing to roleblock the exact same player the scum choose  to deliver the kill.

 

Vote: Robert2424

[Chaplain of death]

 

@sm yes. Normally bulletproof people get notified they were shot in normal games. However since there was no deaths a bulletproof role is unlikely. A bulletproof role indicates multiple killing roles. Like sk, vig, and or mafia. I would find it unlikely there's a bulletproof in this game unless mafia hade very spacial powers to help balance.

So I'm betting a town power role action prevented the night kill.

 

I disagree with this.

 

"Since there were no deaths a bulletproof role is unlikely" --- How about the attempted kill went to the bulletproof townie? No deaths.

 

"indicates multiple killing roles" --- Why?  For balance, the setup may need to keep certain roles alive for a few days and so give a 1-shot bulletproof modifier.

 

For the townie power role to prevent the kill with alot of players, it would have to be extremely lucky. The townie would be picking 1 out of 12 choices to protect and the scum would be choosing 1 out of 10 choices to kill and they would have to match. Or the townie would be choosing to roleblock the exact same player the scum choose  to deliver the kill.

 

Vote: Robert2424

 

 

we've also seen setups with an SK who wasn't able to kill on night 1. 

[Kitkat16]

Sorry folks, don't really have any profound insights to offer.

[Robert2424]

 

@sm yes. Normally bulletproof people get notified they were shot in normal games. However since there was no deaths a bulletproof role is unlikely. A bulletproof role indicates multiple killing roles. Like sk, vig, and or mafia. I would find it unlikely there's a bulletproof in this game unless mafia hade very spacial powers to help balance.

So I'm betting a town power role action prevented the night kill.

 

I disagree with this.

 

"Since there were no deaths a bulletproof role is unlikely" --- How about the attempted kill went to the bulletproof townie? No deaths.

 

"indicates multiple killing roles" --- Why?  For balance, the setup may need to keep certain roles alive for a few days and so give a 1-shot bulletproof modifier.

 

For the townie power role to prevent the kill with alot of players, it would have to be extremely lucky. The townie would be picking 1 out of 12 choices to protect and the scum would be choosing 1 out of 10 choices to kill and they would have to match. Or the townie would be choosing to roleblock the exact same player the scum choose  to deliver the kill.

 

Vote: Robert2424

 

Where I started playing mafa that is the norm. I'm not saying its impossible, just unlikely from my perspective. To me, even with the odds of somebody choosing is more likely then a bulletproof, plus there more to just playing doc then just randomly picking somebody to protect. A Doc should try to predict where the Mafia will strike next to try to in-cress there chances anyways. Thats at least How I would play doc. But TW could of added one anyways. I personally wouldn't if there was only mafia, but mods mod there game differently. 

 

So your voting me cause I believe a bulletproff is unlikely? Dose Kevin know something about somebody being bulletproof? 

[Imran Ehsan]

OK going back to my vote on Robert. I found his following post pretty scumworthy:
 

at his point D34thbr1ng3r will be lynched regardless if I place my vote on him or not. as 4 is the majority and we have 5. I don't like day 1 lycnhes and we've only got minamal info from this day, but won't be a total loss.

its a bit late to spur some activity, and activity hasn't been what I call, good for this many players.

So I'm just not going to vote right now.

 
Basically he is just sitting on the fence while saying he doesnt mind in d34th gets lynched. If he wanted No Lynch on d1 he should have voted NL like some others did. But he is not, while saying he doesnt like lynches on d1. Now lets look at another of his posts:
 

I still like day one no lynches, but if people sign up and don't post, they are asking to be lynched.

 
Again he is saying he like D1 NL but indicating that d34th should be lynched for his inactivity.
 
In other words, he wants d34th to be lynched but would not vote for it himself. This is classic scum behavior where they dont want to be on the lynch wagon of a townie but wants other townies to lynch a townie. If he is scum, he knows d3th will turn up town on lynch and then he will push to put suspicion on the ones who lynched a townie.
 
His style of play so far has also been subtly trying to put suspicion on others while not taking the lead himself. When he saw Rhizos arguments against kevin, he took no sides but posted:

 

Now Kevin is pushed into the spotlight. Going to reread Rhizo last post again. But Rhizo is making a interesting move late Day 1.

 

Basically he is keeping the option open whether to push for a kevin lynch if he sees some players being swayed by rhizo's arguments. Most of his posts are neither here nor there, classic sitting on the fence. Thats a pretty strong scum tell, because scum dont want to take the lead in lynching others but will try to manipulate townies to suspect each other and subtly push to lynch a townie.

[Finster Baby]

Hmm - lots of action.

To address Rhizo's suspicion of me: In Kevin's C9++ game, there was a general consensus that we were sick of blatant inactives, you know, the ones who sign up then don't participate. We lynched Rafay for that reason, and got lucky that he was scum. If you read back to my posts here, I went for D34TH only because he hadn't posted AT ALL. I was an advocate for a NL D1, and I even stated in my vote post for D34TH that if a replacement was found, I'd immediately switch back to NL - 2 reasons, one, because it was D1, and 2, it's not exactly fair to lynch a replacement who just got here, esp. 2 or so hours before deadline. Time was of the essence, and it was necessary to insure that a replacement didn't find himself unable to play. Even if iSoc turns out to be scum, lets get a feel for what he's gonna do before we wax him. I also know you suspect KevinH. While I was also taken aback by his change from his usual MO, under these circumstances I understood why. I have no reason to suspect that he's scum.

Imran and Kevin also bring up valid points on Robert. He could have joined the rest of us on D34TH, but didn't because "it wasn't needed." Rather suspicious.

I also would like to hear from SBG. You've been awfully quite, mate.

FOS: Robert2424

I'm also watching SBG due to his inactivity.

[iSocialism]

With TW displeasure from past games he has played when he was killed during the first night. I wouldn't find it hard to see him testing the waters with some roles and immunities.

[Robert2424]

I didn't vote cause I would of went with lynching somebody who wasn't playing in the hopes, even though small at the time, he'd be replaced. He was. Then after he was replaced, I didn't get there in time to place my no Lynch vote. Otherwise I would of. Sitting out for a change to see if others will post more. Most games I'm one of the top posters. I do feel people need to post more, but most I can do is vote for one person and get one post, maybe a day or 2 even later. To be frank. I find a good 90 % of people activity lacking. I consider myself an average poster. So TBH, if I had to say why the ratio of town win/loss is not great is because of activity. So me wanting to Lynch inactives shouldn't be such a surprise. Plus it worked last game lynching inactives. They ruin the game in my opinion.

[Robert2424]

With TW displeasure from past games he has played when he was killed during the first night. I wouldn't find it hard to see him testing the waters with some roles and immunities.

this could be true. I'm sure after the game we can hear about tw motivation with roles and so on and his thoughts.

[Sister Midnight]

D34THBR1NG3R (5): Imran Ehsan, Yehom, KevinH, Sister Midnight, Finster Baby

I believe that was the point of most votes. This is the vote I'm looking at mostly at this point. What I'm looking at is who jumped off it after a replacement was found. If I was a scum, I wouldn't be too worried about being involved with a lynch of an inactive, as like I already mentioned, the excuse of him being no help to town is an easy defense to make. Once a replacement was found, then if I was scum, I may think about not being on the wagon of lynching a town D1 if Isocialism is town.

So lets for the sake of argument, Isocialism is town, who was left on his wagon at the end. That would be Kevin and Imran. So let's exclude these two, as they didn't jump off the wagon suddenly once a replacement was found. The people that did, Yehom, SM, and FB. Those are the 3, if I am going to look at anyone, are the 3 I'm most interested in. Likely they all aren't scum, I imagine some scum stayed off the wagon since they weren't needed to lynch at deadline. I would wager one of them are likely a scum. That is, if Isocialism is town. Waiting to see some responses from Isocialism to feel him out more, but at this point I'm not suspecting him.

I do not see why jumping off the wagon would raise suspicion any more than not jumping off or not voting would. If I were scum I'd be trying to be invisible or trying to lynch a townie. Assuming townies on that wagon we're voting for him due to inactivity and scum knows he's town, why call attention by almost lynching him, then unvoting when he was replaced? I am more concerned about the people who have low post counts and/or haven't voted.

Right now I'm looking at Canik, Chaplain of Death, both of whom fit both categories. I'm also pondering the ultra sexy Kev, due to his play style change, but I'm less concerned about him than SBG who has barely posted at all.

So to sum it up, I'm lightly fingering Canik, Chap, and SBG, while eying Kev.

[iSocialism]

There's not much to go on, with a no lynch, and no night kill. We can only go after of why someone wasn't killed versus why someone was killed. With a no lynch having someone on or off a wagon doesn't stack too much. They may been just left there vote just because they know nothing was going to happen/ no where they wanted to move. People with a vote left on someone just probably wanted a lynch, no vote probably didn't know who/what to choose, or inactive. Those on the NL wagon wanted to play it safe. I'm still more weary of those people.

[Yehom]

There could be scum amongst the people that voted Death D1 if Death/iSoc is in fact town. Death was inactive for a pretty long time and it looked like a replacement wasn't going to be found in time (iSoc was only assigned what a few hours before deadline?). He was the easiest target and a for sure lynch in that point of the game. There were 5 votes on him before his replacement was announced and 3 people unvoted him right after. At deadline only 4 votes were needed for Death/iSoc to get lynched so those unvotes resulted in iSoc not lynched. If anything I'd think we should be looking at the names that remained on the list, because scum could easily play the mislynch of Death/iSoc as inactivity of Death and untimely knowledge of his replacement. However I personally feel that D1 was pretty useless as Death was the only and most obvious target for both town and scum to lynch as he was the only one inactive. If there were two wagons I would agree we should be looking into votes, but this early on and that obvious of a target, I think it's very likely that the majority (if not all) that voted Death was town. 

 

Also I agree with Imran's post that Robert's statements so far this game have been pretty 'sitting on the fence waiting for shit to happen'. He talks about 'being an average poster' in his own opinion, while also stating that he always is the top poster. Basically he's trying to call people out rather half-heartedly and between the lines, while his most of his posts have been very sub par like the last post that Imran quoted, which to me exemplifies his attempt to stir shit up without ever getting his own name involved. However I'm willing to hear Robert's defense first, because like D1 with Death, Robert seems to be the obvious target. People are jumping way too quickly although the evidence is starting to pile, so I can't blame them.  

[Canik]

SM don't just lightly finger me you tease.

For real tho, sorry about my activity everyone but I was the one who said I'd be having internet access issues. Having to use a laptop right now that is literally from like 2004, laggy as hell and overheats in about an hour. Thought I'd have my PC fixed by now but looks like it might be another week unfortunately. It makes it extremely time consuming for me to go back and read through things and make good analysis.

All I know is I feel like the wagon on D34TH started a bit quick, some people seemed rather eager. I know a replacement didn't look REAL likely at the time but I figured there was a good chance SOMEONE would be found before long and sure enough, someone was.

And Yehom, I think the day may have been ended a bit early due to no-lynch voters so I'm not sure it was that close. Can someone please verify when the day would've ended and when D34TH was replaced?

 

[Robert2424]

Well, since nobody else wants to spark activity, at least decent activity, it's up to me again.

VOTE KITKAT

and for the record, I'm watching Kevin, but at this point in time I'm leaning him being town. Unless somebody has a guilty result they wish to share.

[Kitkat16]

Whatever gives you the impression I'm a mafia? I vote Robert for lynching me with no cause :v

[Sister Midnight]

Whatever gives you the impression I'm a mafia? I vote Robert for lynching me with no cause :v

I believe you said this is your first time playing Mafia. What you just did is OMGUS, explained here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck

I am still somewhat new to Mafia, but I have found this site helpful.

[Kitkat16]

 

Whatever gives you the impression I'm a mafia? I vote Robert for lynching me with no cause :v

I believe you said this is your first time playing Mafia. What you just did is OMGUS, explained here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck

I am still somewhat new to Mafia, but I have found this site helpful.

 

 

I've played mafia irl before, just not online. I do know what I'm doing. I hadn't heard the term OMGUS, but it's not something only scum does. Anyway, in this instance it was intended to be slightly humorous. (Although I do have a point. There's no reason to think I am mafia. :smugsy:)

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Robert2424 (2): Imran Ehsan, KevinH

Kitkat16 (1): Robert2424

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Canik, Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, iSocialism, Kitkat16, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks, Yehom

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Thursday, February 2nd.

[Yehom]

And Yehom, I think the day may have been ended a bit early due to no-lynch voters so I'm not sure it was that close. Can someone please verify when the day would've ended and when D34TH was replaced?

D1 didn't end early. Deadline time was so D1 ended. Death ever got the 7 votes needed to lynch him early and because iSoc replaced Death in time, iSoc didn't get lynched for the inactivity of Death