Rhizo's doctor preventing CoD from a kill on Night 2 is more probable than SBG getting roleblocked IMO

 

That said, that doesn't exclude him from being suspected as he's one of those who bailed WP's wagon near the end and voted for iSoc yesterday.

"Keep muttering and I will be a murderer!"

 

Vote Count
 

LordSunday (4): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, Yehom

Kitkat16 (1): Lyner

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

FS108 (0):

KevinH (0):

King Cankles (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Finster Baby, King Cankles, Kitkat16, LordSunday, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Wolfpacks

 

With 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Monday, June 19th.

Alright guys, I see the LordSunday wagon forming.

 

I'm Mad-Eye Moody, an Order of the Phoenix Auror (Cop).

 

Night 1 I investigated MK, which is why I was one of the first to vote for him. I later changed that vote because I didnt want scum to suspect me as the cop.

 

Night 2 I investigated Wolfpacks, he's Order of the Phoenix. No role was specified.

 

Night 3 I investigated LordSunday, he's also Order of the Phoenix. This is why I sloppily brought up the framer scenario again.

 

LordSunday is town. I will be killed tonight, so let's not make it a double whammy. Be smart about this, take the info I have an go back and investigate more. Everything adds up. I'm willing to give you guys as much info as I can before the day ends, but until then, the votes have to come off of LS before the lynch is hammered.

 

Honestly, backtrack. I've been super sloppy about my investigations and trying to shift the towns votes in the right direction. But hey, trial and error. I'll do better next game!

Alright guys, I see the LordSunday wagon forming.

 

I'm Mad-Eye Moody, an Order of the Phoenix Auror (Cop).

 

Night 1 I investigated MK, which is why I was one of the first to vote for him. I later changed that vote because I didnt want scum to suspect me as the cop.

 

Night 2 I investigated Wolfpacks, he's Order of the Phoenix. No role was specified.

 

Night 3 I investigated LordSunday, he's also Order of the Phoenix. This is why I sloppily brought up the framer scenario again.

 

LordSunday is town. I will be killed tonight, so let's not make it a double whammy. Be smart about this, take the info I have an go back and investigate more. Everything adds up. I'm willing to give you guys as much info as I can before the day ends, but until then, the votes have to come off of LS before the lynch is hammered.

 

Honestly, backtrack. I've been super sloppy about my investigations and trying to shift the towns votes in the right direction. But hey, trial and error. I'll do better next game!

Unless a counterclaim comes, I trust this. So, assuming this is true. We do have a framer in place. A framer. 

Framer only allows negative results from the wiki; therefore we would be sure that Wolfpacks and LS are confirmed townies.

 

Again, this assumes no counter-claim and that King Cankles is telling the truth. At this point, I see it as believeable. It would explain some behavior. I highly encourage people to get off LS wagon before scums can close the day by making an excuse like "I didnt see King Cankles RC" etc.

Alright guys, I see the LordSunday wagon forming.

 

I'm Mad-Eye Moody, an Order of the Phoenix Auror (Cop).

 

Night 1 I investigated MK, which is why I was one of the first to vote for him. I later changed that vote because I didnt want scum to suspect me as the cop.

 

Night 2 I investigated Wolfpacks, he's Order of the Phoenix. No role was specified.

 

Night 3 I investigated LordSunday, he's also Order of the Phoenix. This is why I sloppily brought up the framer scenario again.

 

LordSunday is town. I will be killed tonight, so let's not make it a double whammy. Be smart about this, take the info I have an go back and investigate more. Everything adds up. I'm willing to give you guys as much info as I can before the day ends, but until then, the votes have to come off of LS before the lynch is hammered.

 

Honestly, backtrack. I've been super sloppy about my investigations and trying to shift the towns votes in the right direction. But hey, trial and error. I'll do better next game!

Bold statement in a game where scum can be anyone. and no he didnt pm me

Rhizo's doctor preventing CoD from a kill on Night 2 is more probable than SBG getting roleblocked IMO

 

That said, that doesn't exclude him from being suspected as he's one of those who bailed WP's wagon near the end and voted for iSoc yesterday.

Both of those actions do look scummy, but I've tried to explain my reasoning and positioning on those decisions to the best of my ability.

As far as Rhizo's protection, that also assumes CoD is town. 

The issue I can see with SM leaving town is her not mentioning it. If she had 2 shots, assuming she left during the no-kill; she could've easily told us and given everyone an answer to the night. If she was targeted, she could have used her travel ability again. If I was in her position though, assuming this happened, a RC would let scum know she wasn't a cop while they continued their hunt. Even stating she had 1-shot instead of 2-shot to tease the scum wouldn't work. Scum would just skip over her as she'd essentially be a VT. The only reason I see her not mentioning this is she felt scum might target her later and she could help with another no-kill. It is a mysterious though why she had 2 shots and wouldn't use them back-to-back if she was successful. 

 

Again, these are all possibilities. If the SM theory is true, CoD could be either scum or town; but assuming Rhizo was successful in his defense, CoD would absolutely be town (unless the very, very, very rare occassion we have a SK on the loose with limited night action; i.e can't kill til Night 4, etc.)

I want to rather believe the Rhizo theory as it would help us narrow down who is who.

 

We have Rhizo (Doctor); FS and Wolfpacks (Neighbors); and CoD (Rhizo's protect) as confirmed townies following this scenario. Added with King Cankles information, we know KC and LS are both town.

 

This leaves scum among Lyner, Yehom, KitKat, KevinH, and myself.

If the SM theory is true, we have Lyner, Yehom, KevinH, KitKat, myself, and CoD. 

Both of these allow for the higher chance (60%) and lower (50%) we hit a scum, if the theory of 3 remaining is still where we are.

These odds aren't bad.

But again, these ASSUME several things at this point.

 

 

This leaves scum among Lyner, Yehom, KitKat, KevinH, and myself.

If the SM theory is true, we have Lyner, Yehom, KevinH, KitKat, myself, and CoD. 

Both of these allow for the higher chance (60%) and lower (50%) we hit a scum, if the theory of 3 remaining is still where we are.

These odds aren't bad.

But again, these ASSUME several things at this point.

 

well since SM was scum maybe he was ratting out his comrades or he is playing us as a fool.

 

 

 

This leaves scum among Lyner, Yehom, KitKat, KevinH, and myself.

If the SM theory is true, we have Lyner, Yehom, KevinH, KitKat, myself, and CoD. 

Both of these allow for the higher chance (60%) and lower (50%) we hit a scum, if the theory of 3 remaining is still where we are.

These odds aren't bad.

But again, these ASSUME several things at this point.

 

well since SM was scum maybe he was ratting out his comrades or he is playing us as a fool.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

Among those are also ones quick to vote for LS. Hence my comment earlier in the day. I believe them to be the scum.

 

 

 

 

This leaves scum among Lyner, Yehom, KitKat, KevinH, and myself.

If the SM theory is true, we have Lyner, Yehom, KevinH, KitKat, myself, and CoD. 

Both of these allow for the higher chance (60%) and lower (50%) we hit a scum, if the theory of 3 remaining is still where we are.

These odds aren't bad.

But again, these ASSUME several things at this point.

 

well since SM was scum maybe he was ratting out his comrades or he is playing us as a fool.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

 

Ratting out meaning telling us his people, and playing us as a fool to set a decoy 

 

 

 

 

 

This leaves scum among Lyner, Yehom, KitKat, KevinH, and myself.

If the SM theory is true, we have Lyner, Yehom, KevinH, KitKat, myself, and CoD. 

Both of these allow for the higher chance (60%) and lower (50%) we hit a scum, if the theory of 3 remaining is still where we are.

These odds aren't bad.

But again, these ASSUME several things at this point.

 

well since SM was scum maybe he was ratting out his comrades or he is playing us as a fool.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

 

Ratting out meaning telling us his people, and playing us as a fool to set a decoy 

 

But SM wasnt scum

Cankles RC also shows that he's not insane, as his investigation of MK was accurate.

 

KitKat is now currently high on my list for scum, based on his voting pattern. Seems also my suspicions of LS on D3 were largely incorrect.

 

 

Dolores Umbridge (Supreme Leader MK), a Death Eater 1-Shot Strongman, tried to have Harry convicted on day 2.

Scum worthy 

This is an interesting turn of events.  

 

Also, can someone who speaks FS108, please try to help me understand what he's trying to say, because I'm lost.  Is he trying to contest KC's claim, because for KC to claim cop and be a scum would be absolutely stupid.  Now he's bringing up the narrative of TW from D2 which makes zero sense.  

 

Also, keep in mind if there is a framer, and LS is technically scum, they could of framed LS for him to appear to a cop as Town.  It's a lot better chance a scum did this last night expecting a cop to recheck him.

Sorry been really busy at work will catch with my reading and offer my opinion soon

Unvote LS

 

Well I'm officially confused right now. Unless someone wants to counterclaim, I trust Cankles' role claim. I'm going to go back to see what to make of things knowing what we know now. 

 

I think FS is confusing Sister Midnight (SM) and Supreme Leader MK (SLMK)

 

 

I think FS is confusing Sister Midnight (SM) and Supreme Leader MK (SLMK)

 

 

My thoughts exactly. His posts are extremely hard to decipher lately. 

 

 

LordSunday (4): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, Yehom

 

4 speedy votes to me. Last I checked the town never wants to rush days, but here I am practically in hammering distance.

 

 

 

Framer only allows negative results from the wiki; therefore we would be sure that Wolfpacks and LS are confirmed townies.

 

^^^^

This

 

 

 

Also, keep in mind if there is a framer, and LS is technically scum, they could of framed LS for him to appear to a cop as Town. It's a lot better chance a scum did this last night expecting a cop to recheck him.

 

^^^^

Followed by this

 

Makes me suspicious of you once again Rhiz.

With KC's RC, that makes that a very very interesting turn of events. I'll have to think more on this later, but for now I would say my primary FoS is all those on my wagon currently. You all went straight for the kill knowing full well that will bring forward the night.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

 

As a side note, no where does it say neighbors are limited to one scum. While I think its doubtful TW would put 2 scum into a neighbor unit, just something that I came across while looking at the framer on the wiki.

 

LordSunday (4): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, FS108, Yehom

4 speedy votes to me. Last I checked the town never wants to rush days, but here I am practically in hammering distance.

Framer only allows negative results from the wiki; therefore we would be sure that Wolfpacks and LS are confirmed townies.

^^^^

This

Also, keep in mind if there is a framer, and LS is technically scum, they could of framed LS for him to appear to a cop as Town. It's a lot better chance a scum did this last night expecting a cop to recheck him.

^^^^

Followed by this

 

Makes me suspicious of you once again Rhiz.

With KC's RC, that makes that a very very interesting turn of events. I'll have to think more on this later, but for now I would say my primary FoS is all those on my wagon currently. You all went straight for the kill knowing full well that will bring forward the night.

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

 

 

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

Alright then for my own learning curve TW can this be done?

 

If that's the case then I withdraw my statement about having suspicions of you. The reason for them being there was because you seemed almost as if you were trying to negate KC without directly doing so. Regardless, my suspicion for those who were/are on my wagon by far trumps your framer statement. Those 4 had votes on me with full knowledge that would put me in a position to get rapidly killed. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two scums are sitting in front of us.

 

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

Alright then for my own learning curve TW can this be done?

 

If that's the case then I withdraw my statement about having suspicions of you. The reason for them being there was because you seemed almost as if you were trying to negate KC without directly doing so. Regardless, my suspicion for those who were/are on my wagon by far trumps your framer statement. Those 4 had votes on me with full knowledge that would put me in a position to get rapidly killed. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two scums are sitting in front of us.

My point exactly. When I die tonight it will confirm my RC. So town needs to go ahead and plan for that assumption.

 

A framer can frame themselves to come out opposite. If you want to act as if it can't, ask TW because it's been talked about when I was scum. Also putting suspicious on me whose a claimed doctor with no challenges is absolutely a poor choice

Alright then for my own learning curve TW can this be done?

 

If that's the case then I withdraw my statement about having suspicions of you. The reason for them being there was because you seemed almost as if you were trying to negate KC without directly doing so. Regardless, my suspicion for those who were/are on my wagon by far trumps your framer statement. Those 4 had votes on me with full knowledge that would put me in a position to get rapidly killed. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two scums are sitting in front of us.

 

 

 

And this is why I am waiting to see how I want to go.  If you're town I wouldn't be fully surprised if there isn't a scum or 2 on you, but now I got to wage what I believe most.  I'm not negating his RC as not being truthful that he's the cop, but you now have 2 town who have cop roles get opposite results on you.  Thus, there is a framer, and you either got framed N1, or you and the scum team framed you N3 because they figured you'd be investigated again, especially after Isocialism came up town, so instead of scum it would come up town.  

Ok I just reread the entire D3 and somethings stood out to me, knowing what we know now. First of LS was pretty quickly sold on the fact that iSoc was not lying about being a JOAT, whilst iSoc was accusing LS of being scum. This could be the reverse framing can come into play. There is a possibility that LS is indeed scum and let his scum friend frame him so he would come up as town through Cankles inspection. It would explain why LS was so forgiving towards iSoc, because claiming iSoc lying wouldn't help LS if iSoc was lynched, like he was, and his role revealed him to be the role he was. I'm not sure what to think of this, because of something else, namely because of the fact that Kitkat was very on the fence last day. He didn't really pick a side between LS and iSoc, as if he knew that there were 2 townies fighting. He instead opted to vote for SGB, which makes me believe that SGB is indeed town, like he claimed earlier (although very stealthily). 

So you're saying it's possible that LS is the framer, and framed himself to appear town under my investigation ?