This is a great game.  Well-played to whomever is lying.

 

"Never tell me the odds".

Well things are pretty quiet.  I been waiting on the admin to answer questions but he has yet to, which does determine some of my thoughts on Lyner.  If an answers aren't given soon I'm going to ask for an extension as the day ends Wednesday, less then 3 days away now.  The fact people have gone quiet is not helping town either, scum can easily set back and let the more active people pick each other off

Im still around and listening intently(reading) the possibility of having a Doctor and Nurse seems strange to me, why would you have both in a seemingly Role heavy game. Im getting a gut feeling but im not confident in it myself, i need to think more on it.

Im still around and listening intently(reading) the possibility of having a Doctor and Nurse seems strange to me, why would you have both in a seemingly Role heavy game. Im getting a gut feeling but im not confident in it myself, i need to think more on it.

you and me both.

I'm trying to figure out if Lyner is lying or not, so until I know some of the information about the modifers from Admin I can't really know.  Though I am still sold scum is between the 4 I've listed

At this point, until there's something more put out, I'm going to go with what I put out prior. SBG has been receiving no suspicion for his being RBed which is itself to me suspicious. Plus, as Rhizo stated deadline is 3 days away and the town has yet to do any voting. We can't afford to not lynch, and the speculation between the three others completely unconfirmed I feel a shot in the dark with them is not worth it especially when SBG's death can help to prove Rhizo's role as I doubt SM would have been targeted twice by scum if their hit on N2 failed.

 

 

Vote: SBG

 

 

Vote: SBG

Might as well vote 

Vote: SBG 

An existing role modifier would be revealed upon death.

An existing role modifier would be revealed upon death.

 

With that knowledge we know it wasn't due to KC. That means:

 

a) Lyner's lying

b )  Rhizo's lying

c) Extremely unlikely odds (that could still exist) are in play, but the possibility of those odds being odds are miniscule. For example, sure the possibility that I was framed and investigated N1 was 0.5% or so, however the possibility that both a framer and a cop/investigative role is present in the game would be pretty high. The chances of these modifiers being present are slim, and would be just that coincidental.

With the odds that I got hit with, there was at least decent odds those roles existed. The odds these modifiers exist is low to begin, and then on top of that the odds that they worked in perfect favor are just as low if not lower.

 

At this point, Lyner did post earlier that N1 he saw an investigative result was used on Rhizo. I hate to shine spotlights around, but if someone can legitimize that claim that would be helpful. As for Rhizo, he claimed Doc which is a ballsy move to say the least if he were scum, but KitKat also made a ballsy claim and was scum.

 

I've changed my mind on SBG in light of this information, for now...

 

Unvote

Where is everyone

I'm right here.

 

"Possibility of Doctor and a Nurse"  ...

1) In a role-heavy game, an early kill on the Doctor means the rest of the roles don't have protection which might be needed for balance.

2) For normal mechanics, the Nurse is dependent on a Doctor dying, so it shouldn't seem unusual that there would be both.

3) As I quoted earlier, there's no guarantee that there's a Doctor so I'm essentially vanilla.

"From now on, I don't care if my tea leaves spell, 'Die, Ron, die,' I'm chucking them in the bin where they belong."

 

Vote Count

 

SeaBeeGipson (1): FS108

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

FS108 (0):

KevinH (0):

LordSunday (0):

Lyner (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, KevinH, LordSunday, Lyner, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Wolfpacks, Yehom

 

With 10 alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, June 28th.

 

Well I am thinking that there's likely some weird or odd modifiers out there that makes me not sure on Lyner, but not necessarily my top suspect.    I agree with what seems to be a heavy RP game, that there has to be something to help balance it.  

 

If Lyner did pick me last night and no one visited me, then something had to happen.  Either Lyner is a modifier that's not getting the correct results, or I am a percentage doctor and my protection didn't work.

 

But my focus is on these 3:

 

SBG - Was Roleblocked N2, could be the reason there was no kill (my protection, or SM could of used her action to explain it).  I find it odd SLMK picked out SBG to give him town points as I already pointed out and was late switch to SLMK D2.

 

Yehom - Quick to follow Lyner on everything he says.  He was quick to agree with Lyner on my "scum" radar going off D3, he quickly agree with Lyner I may not be the doctor today.  Was apart of lynch of Isocialim yet defended him early on with both Lyner and Kitkat.  Been very quiet today with literally 2 days or so left.  Hasn't RC'd.  

 

CoD - Continues to not play this game.  He has been absent for the most part besides some activity yesterday.  Claimed he wasn't active first few days because there's never really anything, yet hasn't changed.  Continues to play the, "well I get why I'm suspicious but I'm town," yet hasn't added much of anything now with less then 2 days left.  Hasn't RC'd.  Very well could be setting back and letting town who are actually playing pick each other off.  

 

I truely believe there's a scum or both between these three.  

That is strange on COD, if the suspicion is on him he usually defends himself to the hilt, but now seems to have changed tact, by not. I find that suspicious in itself.

I don't trust anyone, but here's a semi-ordered list from probable townie to probable scum:
 

• Wolfpacks - Investigated town by cop, but there could be a tailor in play
• Rhizoctonia - doctor, and there was a night with no kill, juxtaposed with Lyner
• LordSunday - says he was framed and there turns out to be a framer, but there could be a tailor in play
• FS108 - neighbor, but maybe 2 of 3 neighbors were scum
• FinsterBaby - acting pro-town, claims roleblocker, but nothing really to clear him
• SeaBeeGipson - hider, was blocked on a night when there was no kill
• Chaplain of Death - hinted at role, but hasn't claimed
• Yehom - no claim
• Lyner - voyeur, juxtaposed with Rhizoctonia

Vote: Lyner

I have to put my belief in Rhizoctonia
 

 

 

Quick to follow Lyner on everything he says.

Your definition on 'following' is very wide then. Agreeing with someone other than yourself is reason enough for you to suspect someone apparently. If that is the way you want to play, you're not going to last long and is exactly the reason why I commented of the fact that you are playing way too aggressive for a Doctor, but that's probably only going to further prove your own point in your eyes.  

 

Going to copy paste this list from Kevin, but mine isn't in any particular order

Wolfpacks - Definitely town, neighbor + investigated by cop
Rhizoctonia - doctor, no other person has counterclaimed so I'm willing to believe it
LordSunday - framed, but I'm not completely sold on his innocence seeing how he played out against iSoc and the fact that scum didn't keep framing him so the results would stay consistent
FS108 - neighbor, most likely town
FinsterBaby - claimed role blocker, inclined to believe him although the role blocks have been missed both times as it seems
SeaBeeGipson - hider, was blocked on a night when there was no kill, I'd like to draw some attention to the following matter

 

It is pretty coincidental there was no kill when I was allegedly role blocked. I don't have a role to block, So I personally think it's a setup. But who wouldn't say that.

That does SGB mean with 'I don't have a role to block', because I'm fairly sure you can role block a hider?

Chaplain of Death - absolute blank for me. Was early on the SLMK wagon but that's about it
KevinH - claimed nurse, has explained how it isn't overpowered and how it's basically a townie with the option of turning into the Doctor. I'm not sure what to think of this. Yes it could be a weaker role than the actual Doctor, because the Doctor has to actually die to its effect to take place. However it's a very easy role to fake as well. It hints the option of having a PR, without having it. In the context of power, yes initially you are a VT with an option, but still in the chances are that you'll basically have 2 acting Doctor of the entire course of the game if played right, while having a cop with infinite tries and an opposing 1-shot Strongman mafia member, that to me sounds too good to be true. That's my opinion. 
Lyner - voyeur, juxtaposed with Rhizoctonia, not a lot of new information except this whole mess with Rhizo, undecided on who to believe. There could even be a reasonable explanation for both to be telling the truth but I'm too busy and tired to think of one right now  

i actually never hinted at a role, and as you all have shit all over the no mass roleclaim rule this game i suppose ill go ahead and claim just so Rhizo can stop saying it like it means something.

 

I'm Dean Thomas. A Vanilla Townie.

 

Perhaps now you understand why i didn't bother role claiming before, it accomplishes nothing, provides no information, and anyone previously suspicious of me still will be. that said im also a VT, my death hurts the town far less than just about anyone else, hence my lack of some massive defense. also to be fair all suspicion towards me has been based on the fact that other people have claimed and appear to be confirmed, which has nothing to do with me. Im not arguing because there's nothing to argue about, im unconfirmed and therefore just as possible to be scum as the other people who are unconfirmed. nothing i say changes that fact.

 

i can defend my actions voting wise, even where i was in the wrong like with LS, but i can't and won't defend the fact that im in the minority as someone who is very much unconfirmed. That suspicion is quite reasonable and if im lynched based off it i wouldnt think less of anyone for getting it wrong as i could very easily see myself doing the same in their situation.

SeaBeeGipson - hider, was blocked on a night when there was no kill, I'd like to draw some attention to the following matter

SeaBeeGipson, on 02 Jun 2017 - 18:32, said:

It is pretty coincidental there was no kill when I was allegedly role blocked. I don't have a role to block, So I personally think it's a setup. But who wouldn't say that.

That does SGB mean with 'I don't have a role to block', because I'm fairly sure you can role block a hider?

 

I stated that because I felt it was too early in the game to roleclaim and I didn't do any action (choose not to hide that night). Hence me not having a role to block. I thought I had already stated that. My bad.

 

@LS, as far as not mention the roleblock during the night with no kill. It has been mentioned multiple times and discussed. I have no problem discussing it again, but wouldn't it be like beating a dead horse at this point?

 

@Yehom, you're comments about an "aggressive" doctor worry me. Assuming Rhizo is the doctor (which I believe as we've had a doctor every game) Why wouldn't you want an aggressive townie? With the inactivity bug hitting several people, we need more aggression not less. Are you worried he is going to make you slip up? I just don't see the logic on how him being aggressive at this point would be viewed as scummy to you?

i actually never hinted at a role, and as you all have shit all over the no mass roleclaim rule this game i suppose ill go ahead and claim just so Rhizo can stop saying it like it means something.

 

I'm Dean Thomas. A Vanilla Townie.

 

Perhaps now you understand why i didn't bother role claiming before, it accomplishes nothing, provides no information, and anyone previously suspicious of me still will be. that said im also a VT, my death hurts the town far less than just about anyone else, hence my lack of some massive defense. also to be fair all suspicion towards me has been based on the fact that other people have claimed and appear to be confirmed, which has nothing to do with me. Im not arguing because there's nothing to argue about, im unconfirmed and therefore just as possible to be scum as the other people who are unconfirmed. nothing i say changes that fact.

 

i can defend my actions voting wise, even where i was in the wrong like with LS, but i can't and won't defend the fact that im in the minority as someone who is very much unconfirmed. That suspicion is quite reasonable and if im lynched based off it i wouldnt think less of anyone for getting it wrong as i could very easily see myself doing the same in their situation.

 

 

My issue is this game has been quite different then you've played.  I know you switch styles of how you play often, but you not contributing much is not something usual from you.  You are usually outspoken against it.  I can understand your original point of not being as active or getting aggressive the first few days, as very little is known and it's a lot of picking through small things where sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong.  But when you usually play town you are very much into the game, at least actively hunting down scum, putting your input in, challenging people.  This game you've hardly done none of that, you have sat back and only commented if something was directed your way but not looked to challenge anyone's role, claims, thoughts, etc..or put in your input.  I don't know if time to play has been a factor or what.  I don't know if you're playing the Rafay play of scum sitting back and staying out of arguments to not draw attention, or town who hasn't had much time.  I just feel knowing you, role or no role you'd be more involved by this point.  

 

I'm going ahead and put my vote.  I don't forsee myself having much time the next day with what I have at work to be posting much tomorrow, and day ends Wednesday.  Was hoping the day would be active through this past weekend but it seems that wasn't the case and now we're running low on time.

 

Vote:  SBG

 

There's too many things that aren't adding up to me.  We know for sure he was RB'd N2 and there was no kill.  This is not solid proof as it's been said with my protection and possible SM ability (we'll never know and dunno if she'd use it that early).  I tend to lend towards it either being Isocialism guessed right, or my protection.  If we're to believe Lyner that no one RB'd me last night and I still didn't save KC, that shows me that I maybe have some weird modifier, which means my protection of CoD may not of worked N2 either.  So if I'm leaning towards it being due to my protection or a RB then that leaves either we kill CoD to confirm town and maybe I was right, or go after the person that was RB'd the night there wasn't a kill that could be the scum who tried to do the kill.  That along with the fact that SLMK out of everyone on his wagon chose to call you out and say "possible scum slip up" right before he died.  That to me is a last ditch effort of SLMK to separate himself from you.  You also were a last minute switch to SLMK's wagon from WP, when he was dead no matter if you did or not since he gained the most votes first.  Yehom also points out you first said you didn't have a role to block in regards to Isocialism's  RB on you, and then later RC to have one.

 

 

Also, if I'm to believe Lyner that no one visited me last night to prevent my kill, then that doesn't exclude Kevin.   That is, if we're to believe Lyner.   Kevin got town points when I thought I had to be RB'd by scum and FB roleblocked Kevin thus he couldn't of done it.  But if no one visited me last night, and no one prevented my protection thus it has to be modifier of me, Kevin could very well be a scum that didn't do the kill.  Kevin avoided any wagon when SLMK was killed, was on wagon of Isocialism (town), and was on LS (Town unless there's a tailor which I really doubt) wagon yesterday.  The vote of SLMK, it was discussed with 3 neighbors, 1 of them is likely a scum (even mafiascum states so), and yet your vote was for neither of the 3 possible, and someone who wasn't going to be lynched.  

 

I have a hard time not believing Lyner for the simple fact I don't see the benefit of coming out with information like he did if he's fake RCing.  It could be a scum trying to push a lynch on me, suggesting I wasn't RB'd and countering my claim I protected KC.  But it doesn't make sense to me for a scum to do that.  Even in desperation mode, at best he gets people to lynch me today and I'm found to be the doctor and he is lynched tomorrow.  1 mislynch for 1 scum lynch the next day doesn't help scum any when we have mislynches available.  I think there's something going on with my power role.   

 

So after SBG it's between Kevin, CoD and Yehom.  I've stated my input on each of the 3 in this post and my last one.

If lynching me will help answer some questions, go for it.

If my math is right, we get 2-3 mislynches (depending on the existence of a scum with a vig kill).

Just don't end the day early again; otherwise tomorrow will possibly be the same tactic of scum just sitting back and watching town actively search for them while they sit in the shadows and don't talk. I'm mainly talking about CoD, Kevin, and Yehom lately.

Though they do seem to be picking up lately (Hence why I'd rather not end the day early.)

i believe i challenged SLMK, LS, and Cankles at first, though i was wrong about the latter 2.

i actually never hinted at a role,

 

I sure took this as a hint:

I got nothing. was a little suspicious of kitkat since his activity shifted so heavily but honestly wasn't sure. I can claim if thats what you guys really want

 

My interpretation was that you could have got something but instead you got nothing.

Someone must've targeted Rhizo on N1. The fact that nobody has claimed the deed could actually mean that he's town and scum's the one who targeted him.

 

 

I'm still not buying Kevin's RC, the timing and role name are too convenient

 

Vote: KevinH

 

i actually never hinted at a role,

 

I sure took this as a hint:

I got nothing. was a little suspicious of kitkat since his activity shifted so heavily but honestly wasn't sure. I can claim if thats what you guys really want

 

My interpretation was that you could have got something but instead you got nothing.

 

 

The only thing I hinted at there wasn't a hint. I stated that I had no information to add to the conversation which was a fact. I suppose you could take it as a hint but I was intending to be misleading to scum since losing a VT is far better than a power role for the town.

Vote: SBG (again)

 

I won't be around after tonight so I want to make sure my vote is in. SBGs results may give us some much needed info