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[Lord MK]

This is an interesting setup. We all need to keep in mind that any role could be held by town or scum. So any role that is traditionally townie or traditionally scum does not necessarily hold true in this game.

With 14 players we are likely looking at either 3 or 4 scum. I would guess that there is 3 but depending on the roles there could be 4.

@MK - Was the number of scum members pre-determined before roles were selected?

Vote: GoldIron

Welcome to mafia.

 

The number of mafia members was predetermined. They are 3 scum members. You can click on the link in the OP to find that out.

 

*8 roles.
So by probability 1/4 roles means 2 of them could've gone to scum. And since the alignments were already decided before the draft, there's high chance that scum got 3 roles. So almost all of the scums have power roles making it a bit risky to go for a no lynch.

Vote : Kitkat

This time I won't let you slide under the radar

 

i just need to make a clarification here.

The 3 mafia members were messaged they were scum at the beginning.

But they only knew their partners after the roles were assigned.

They were in the dark about their team till then.

so there was no behind the scenes deals.

[vgmmaster]

 

So any role that is traditionally townie or traditionally scum does not necessarily hold true in this game.

 

 

I really don't see how some roles, like cop work with scum. I guess a doctor can protect a scum friend, but the cop is useless as scum, since the scum already know who everyone is, correct?

 

 

The regular cop would essentially be powerless under scum control, you are correct. That said, it could be seen as a power play to try and remove the cop role from the town if a mafia member had a high bid. However, I don't see the redirector being a particularly powerful role, at least in the early game. Even in the other bid options, that same dilemma creates interesting scenarios. Does a person take a powerful role partially to prevent the other side from having it? Does a person avoid bidding on a role because the other possibility is seen as weak or even useless? For example, a night 3 vigilante would be useless for me to have because since when have I survived to see night 3?

 

 

 

*8 roles.
So by probability 1/4 roles means 2 of them could've gone to scum. And since the alignments were already decided before the draft, there's high chance that scum got 3 roles. So almost all of the scums have power roles making it a bit risky to go for a no lynch.

Vote : Kitkat

This time I won't let you slide under the radar

In all possibility, we could have less than 8 roles in play. Unless I misunderstood the bidding process, if everybody voted for only 1 of 2 numbers (as an example), there'd be only that number of roles in play.

That's true, but we can't be sure of that. But you do agree that no lynch is not the best option for this setup, right?

 

 

I can't think of a time I ever advocated for a no lynch. If anything, this setup I'd be even less inclined to vote no lynch (if that's actually possible). People might think we have tons of power at our disposal, but lots of things can go wrong at a moment's notice. Two vigilante possibilities could both whiff on scum. Paranoid Gun Owner could kill someone that tried to investigate or protect him (is thankfully one shot though for that reason). A vengeful townie could kill a townie that decided to hammer. And to top it all off, we may not even have a cop, but instead a redirector. And that's not considering the fact that mafia could have any of the roles I just mentioned as opposed to them being in town's hands.

[The Warrior]

This is an interesting setup. We all need to keep in mind that any role could be held by town or scum. So any role that is traditionally townie or traditionally scum does not necessarily hold true in this game.

With 14 players we are likely looking at either 3 or 4 scum. I would guess that there is 3 but depending on the roles there could be 4.

@MK - Was the number of scum members pre-determined before roles were selected?

Vote: GoldIron

Welcome to mafia.

 
The number of mafia members was predetermined. They are 3 scum members. You can click on the link in the OP to find that out.

 
Thank you. I did not see that originally.
 

So any role that is traditionally townie or traditionally scum does not necessarily hold true in this game.

 
I really don't see how some roles, like cop work with scum. I guess a doctor can protect a scum friend, but the cop is useless as scum, since thescum already know who everyone is, correct?

In theory you are right. The Cop role really isn't beneficial to a scum team since they likely know everyone who is not in their faction. However, consider what I said in my above quote. The roles were basically a free-for-all. There weren't any set faction roles for this game. So while a Cop role really wouldn't benefit a scum team through investigations it does do the following:

1) Keep the town from having a Cop;
And perhaps even more importantly
2) It almost guarantees that the scum will have a player last long into the game.

Why #2 you ask?

Because, again, the Cop role is traditionally a very strong TOWN role. In the hands of a scum team a "Cop" could potentially receive a free pass if/when he is the subject of any scrutiny from another power role or lynch mob. All a scum Cop would need to do if really pressed hard would be to either outright role claim and give results that the scum team knows are true (i.e. give an innocent result or two for a couple of real townies) to back up their Cop story or just drop hints about players instead of outright claiming.

While a Cop's actual power (investigation) could be completely worthless to the scum team, it's real use could be for the purposes of preservation and misdirection.

[FrigidInferno]

<s>Hi im frigid your friendly neighborhood average individual! I am in no way connected to anyone or anything and would like to keep it that way.</s>
Edit: aww its not html otherwise it would be strikethrough text
Lol jk I just wanted that to be my intro. Anyways hello peoples, my name is officially Jeff Hallberg for the duration of the mafia game, so if you ask me a question saying frigid i'll say who? Anyways looking forward to playing with you all!
Edit2: Vote: kevinH cause wtf
(Goes back to loving wife and kid)

Edited by FrigidInferno, 14 December 2017 - 08:14 PM.

[vgmmaster]

Just a heads up Frigid Jeff Halberg (and any other new player). Editing posts is against the rules.

[Rafay]

Vote: Rafay I seen the way you looked at Lego in the Waiting Room for this game to start. Definitely mafia.

 

 

Whaaaa???!!!

 

Vote: TheWarrior

 

 Permascum!!!

[Canik]

*Places taser in jacket pocket* Definitely wasn't me. I don't even own a taser!

​I knew it! It was pretty drunk that night tho I guess I deserved it. 

​

Vote: Canik Reasoning - He's obviously upset at the foreigners incorrectly translating the city signs. He's trying to blame them when in fact, it was the founder of this city who was facilitating the kills in secret.

​Lies! If the city was named Canik there would be no killings. It'd be a utopia I tells ya. A UTOPIA!!!!!!

[FrigidInferno]

@vg ty for the info! Thankfully you told me before I did it much later on and got bammed lmao.
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vgmmaster, on 14 Dec 2017 - 12:22, said:
Vote: Canik Reasoning - He's obviously upset at the foreigners incorrectly translating the city signs. He's trying to blame them when in fact, it was the founder of this city who was facilitating the kills in secret.


​Lies! If the city was named Canik there would be no killings. It'd be a utopia I tells ya. A UTOPIA!!!!!!
]
Canik=Trump confirmed
Unvote Kevin
Vote:Canik

[iSocialism]

I got nothing to add at the moment, just don't want to be labeled inactive

[GoldIron]

Vote: Canik

 

Since he is owner of the town, he must be helping to cover up the corruption. Maybe, the city signs are codes for some shady things going on.

[Robert2424]

Hello everyone.

I'm going to start with this.

VOTE SLMK.

he knows why.

[Robert2424]

Welcome all new players and faces. I'd recommended hiding behind samus but he's not here. (I know bad joke).

3 mafia is OK for the setup. Will be a challenge given the track record(mafia win % here) and other reason.

I'm not caught up to this point. But will read tomorrow sometime. I do have a nice 3 day weekend to do whatever.

[Canik]

Vote: Canik Since he is owner of the town, he must be helping to cover up the corruption. Maybe, the city signs are codes for some shady things going on.

​I have nothing to cover up! All I want is to Make Ninok Great Again!

​
 

[Kitkat16]

oh this has started how incredibly exciting

 

i just thought i'd save you all the bother and announce in advance that i, robert and tw are the scum (sorry to give you away guys)

 

am i messing with you or am i not? or a sort of combination of both? find out next time on d2 of pick your power

 

vote: lachiton for great justice/ omgus

[legoboyvdlp]

Wtf?
Hmm... ok...?
Well... only one way to find out and that is

Unvote
Vote Robert2424


Though actually, seeing we have power roles, should we potentially lynch town? Is he lying or not?
Or do we lymch him anyway and investigate Kitkat? Hard to figure out.
I reccomend leaving kitkat to day 2 to see if his info is correct and what information he actually has

[FrigidInferno]

Lol i feel like the warrior needs to be scum, cause power corrupts.
Whomever is an invest role go for him I guess, or any of the 3 kit mentioned. Juuuuuust in case lol

[brewersalliance]

Damn I have a lot of stuff to read over here after my two star wars days finish up

[KevinH]

Yes, the power roles could backfire, but I would rather have them than not.

 

The scum will never vote for one of their own, so a lynch today will most likely be a townie.

 

We *could* have a cop, watcher, role cop, and tracker.  All of these will give information later in the game.  We don't want them dead early.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Wtf?
Hmm... ok...?
Well... only one way to find out and that is

Unvote
Vote Robert2424


Though actually, seeing we have power roles, should we potentially lynch town? Is he lying or not?
Or do we lymch him anyway and investigate Kitkat? Hard to figure out.
I reccomend leaving kitkat to day 2 to see if his info is correct and what information he actually has

Why would you vote Robert when KitKat was the one who said it?
If KitKat said it, hoping you'd lynch him as he mentioned two townies, so we'd follow suit and lynch them both, why would we start with Robert?
Why would recommend leaving KitKat to Day 2? Are you insinuating the cop should investigate KitKat? That requires 1 - no one to block the cops ability or no roles to alter KitKat's results, and 2) us to have a cop.

Unvote
Vote Lego

I fail to see your logic here

[Rafay]

cause power corrupts.

 

And absolute power corrupts absolutely......

 

Hence my vote.