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[Lachiton]

Vote Kevin

FoS on brewer.

The fact that you said canik could be a scum PR, also mean you could be a scum PR. Like everyone else. Also Lach, you wanted to wait for Kevin's response before you voted for him, but immediately vote for me after Kevin's claim.

Kevin, I don't know why you would have chose the backup over the role cop, unless your scum. Also you have proven yourself scum, by saying you watched the fridge, and not noting who else you say, actually you never did. You just hinted my name after your question. Shouldn't you know who visited? Solid defense is not a thing in this "defense".

Sorry pretty weak defense. You say universal backup over role cop a scum only will take? How that makes sense?
Role cop is more powerful for scum as he already knows alignment and won't be much useful to town as role doesn't guarantee scum or town in this game. Also pretty sure you can only select a set, otherwise who in their right mind will choose fruit vendor over neighborizer lol.

Also I voted you because Kevin said the same thing about his role which I was thinking, that he inherited watcher and watched Frigid. Also you being present in both town lynch wagons makes it pretty simple. If you flip town, then Kevin has sealed his fate.

[vgmmaster]

Looking at who's left alive and what roles are still around, here's what we're looking at presently. Some roles are claimed, other stuff while not confirmed, I believe we can make safe deductions on. Concerning the PGO, I presume the roleblocker would not stop the PGO from going off as it's a passive role and not activated. Please correct me if I'm wrong there however.

 

1) Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful - Unknown
2) 1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO - Unknown
5) Roleblocker - Lego
6) Universal Backup - Kevin
7) Fruit Vendor - Unknown
8) Tracker - Canik

 

Reading the night scenes from night 1 and 2, we can deduce that SBG and Lachiton are not the Fruit Vendor

 

If the PGO exists, we can deduce the following are not the PGO (does not rule them out as a one night Vigilante though if that role exists instead)

 

1. SeaBeeGipson (given fruit)
2. Lachiton (given fruit / investigated)
4. Canik (not investigated, tracker claim)
5. KevinH (tracked, Backup / Watcher claim)
9. Rafay (roleblocked)
10. legoboyvdlp (tracked, roleblocker claim
11. Robert2424 (roleblocked)

 

That leaves myself, brewers, and isoc as potential PGOs.

 

With Frigid's death, we can confirm that Lachiton is town. Everyone else's alignments are in the dark (as far as the cop goes).

 

Going back to my comments a few hours ago, not knowing how many potential vigilantes we may or may not have, night 3 could be a very bloody night. 

[Lachiton]

Even that's making me cringe over the writing errors
My lynch will equals towns win. It's Kevin or me right now. Get your votes in. Either I'm scum or Kevin is.

Day just started man why you want to end it early? It's not a good advise from a self claimed townie.
I urge town to not end it sooner. Let's get everybody's thoughts in. We have to be prepared for next day's lynch as well so better to let the discussions go on for a while.

[brewersalliance]

Vote Kevin

FoS on brewer.

The fact that you said canik could be a scum PR, also mean you could be a scum PR. Like everyone else. Also Lach, you wanted to wait for Kevin's response before you voted for him, but immediately vote for me after Kevin's claim.

Kevin, I don't know why you would have chose the backup over the role cop, unless your scum. Also you have proven yourself scum, by saying you watched the fridge, and not noting who else you say, actually you never did. You just hinted my name after your question. Shouldn't you know who visited? Solid defense is not a thing in this "defense".

two things

 

1) how does pointing out that just because someone is a PR that they could be a scum PR equate to me being suspicious?  thats just the rules of the game

 

2)  as it was explained multiple times now, you did not chose the role between the two.  You got your bids, and MK asigned one of the two to you randomly.  So saying he is scum for choosing backup has no merit, since he didnt chose it over the role cop, it was randomly assigned from the two.  And he didnt hint your name, he straight up said it.

 

So iSoc isnt denying visiting frigid.  He is just trying to shift the blame of him to either me(not sure why) or Kevin.

 

while i still think Rafay might be scum, at the moment the evidence is to strong to not vote iSoc.  This combined with him earlier stating that he cant be scum because in past games scum do not hammer D1 are damning to me.  

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Isoc

[vgmmaster]

 

Even that's making me cringe over the writing errors
My lynch will equals towns win. It's Kevin or me right now. Get your votes in. Either I'm scum or Kevin is.

Day just started man why you want to end it early? It's not a good advise from a self claimed townie.
I urge town to not end it sooner. Let's get everybody's thoughts in. We have to be prepared for next day's lynch as well so better to let the discussions go on for a while.

 

Agreed. We have a full week for discussion so may as well make use of it.

 

One thing to note is, barring night 3 shenanigans, we have at least one more mislynch on our side if it comes to that. So regardless of who we lynch between Kevin and Isoc, if we're wrong, we lynch the other day 4 (or the vigilante can target them if they exist).

[SeaBeeGipson]

We also gain Rafay standing by lynching Isocialism, as he jumped on that wagon rather fast.
So with Socialism, we know Kevin and Rafays standing.
With a Kevin lynch, we can learn Canik, and possibly Rafay. Not as solid as Socialism.
With a Canik lynch, we don't learn anything with Kevin's claim.
With a Rafay lynch, we can learn Socialisms stance and possibly Kevin's.

To me, we have the most to gain with a socialism lynch. Can someone do the math on how many mislynches we have ASSUMING a mafia vig is saving that last kill for a game winning night?

I also want to wait for Isocialisms response before jumping on him.

Solid defense by Kevin. I'm not sold.

It is worth noting that if I followed this correctly ANY role can be ANY alignment. Assuming Isocialism is scum, we only clear Kevin here but we learn more about others. I'd be more willing to believe Rafay is scum (Assuming Isocialism is scum) and Canik would be 50/50 to me at that point. He could very well have tracked Kevin and be a scum tracker. I'm more inclined to think a scum wouldn't throw a scum for a lynch right off the get go. (Though I have. Kevin doesn't play scum like I do. Lol)

[brewersalliance]

Looking at who's left alive and what roles are still around, here's what we're looking at presently. Some roles are claimed, other stuff while not confirmed, I believe we can make safe deductions on. Concerning the PGO, I presume the roleblocker would not stop the PGO from going off as it's a passive role and not activated. Please correct me if I'm wrong there however.

 

1) Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful - Unknown
2) 1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO - Unknown
5) Roleblocker - Lego
6) Universal Backup - Kevin
7) Fruit Vendor - Unknown
8) Tracker - Canik

 

Reading the night scenes from night 1 and 2, we can deduce that SBG and Lachiton are not the Fruit Vendor

 

If the PGO exists, we can deduce the following are not the PGO (does not rule them out as a one night Vigilante though if that role exists instead)

 

1. SeaBeeGipson (given fruit)
2. Lachiton (given fruit / investigated)
4. Canik (not investigated, tracker claim)
5. KevinH (tracked, Backup / Watcher claim)
9. Rafay (roleblocked)
10. legoboyvdlp (tracked, roleblocker claim
11. Robert2424 (roleblocked)

 

That leaves myself, brewers, and isoc as potential PGOs.

 

With Frigid's death, we can confirm that Lachiton is town. Everyone else's alignments are in the dark (as far as the cop goes).

 

Going back to my comments a few hours ago, not knowing how many potential vigilantes we may or may not have, night 3 could be a very bloody night. 

with the potential for the night 3 vigi, if there is a PGO i am sure he will probably go alert tonight.  tho i am not sure how we can eliminate some of those people from being a PGO, as its a 1 shot, so if they chose not to arm themselves, nothing would have happened, so SBG, Lachiton, Rafay, and Robert could also be PGO's (unless I am missing something here)

 

But yeah if we do lynch Isoc, which does look like the inevitable choice and he flips town, if we have a townie vigi they should def shoot KevinH tonight, since he would clearly be lying about who visited frigid and would probably be the killer.

 

I also agree with Lachiton, we should not end the day early.  So i am going to UNVOTE just to make sure we dont accidentally end the day early (i am not flip flopping, I just want to make sure the day goes on.  Isoc is who i think should be lynched)  

 

Also, we need to hear from everyone on this.  No more keeping quiet.  

[iSocialism]

Actually it's a good idea. It allows what is going to happen anyways. Kevin vs myself wagon race. It will then put the game at d4 with more night action done. Kevin has lied and the only way to figured that out is by lynching one of us. Delaying truth only hurts the town. Either Kevin watched me NOT sumbit an action last night, or he's lying. Both of those are the truth.

[brewersalliance]

Actually it's a good idea. It allows what is going to happen anyways. Kevin vs myself wagon race. It will then put the game at d4 with more night action done. Kevin has lied and the only way to figured that out is by lynching one of us. Delaying truth only hurts the town. Either Kevin watched me NOT sumbit an action last night, or he's lying. Both of those are the truth.

the watcher does not watch what actions someone submits, it watches someone and tells you who targets them that night.  you are thinking of the tracker.

 

So either Kevin watched Frigid get targeted by you, or he is making this up.  those are the two options

[vgmmaster]

 

with the potential for the night 3 vigi, if there is a PGO i am sure he will probably go alert tonight.  tho i am not sure how we can eliminate some of those people from being a PGO, as its a 1 shot, so if they chose not to arm themselves, nothing would have happened, so SBG, Lachiton, Rafay, and Robert could also be PGO's (unless I am missing something here)

 

But yeah if we do lynch Isoc, which does look like the inevitable choice and he flips town, if we have a townie vigi they should def shoot KevinH tonight, since he would clearly be lying about who visited frigid and would probably be the killer.

The PGO doesn't "go alert" necessarily, as it's a passive ability. In this case, what 1-shot means is if somebody targets the PGO, that person is dead. However, any subsequent targets will survive as the PGO will have used his one bullet. The only thing that throws a wrench into this theory is if somehow the roleblocker nullifies the PGO. I don't believe that is a common trait however.

[iSocialism]

I know the difference between the two. Read my statement again. Kevin says he's the watcher. Said he watched the fridge last night. Doesn't say anyone's name about who he saw. MKs post make it sounds like there was more than one at the fridge death. Meaning if that is true. There should be names not a blank statement after the claim. Is he actually the watcher why won't he say the names of who he saw. My statement was that he "watched" me NOT sumbit my action. I wasn't his target anyways. As in I didn't sumbit a NA.

[Lachiton]

I know the difference between the two. Read my statement again. Kevin says he's the watcher. Said he watched the fridge last night. Doesn't say anyone's name about who he saw. MKs post make it sounds like there was more than one at the fridge death. Meaning if that is true. There should be names not a blank statement after the claim. Is he actually the watcher why won't he say the names of who he saw. My statement was that he "watched" me NOT sumbit my action. I wasn't his target anyways. As in I didn't sumbit a NA.

Who else would have visited Frigid? You and Kevin visited him and as per flavor text Frigid visited Canik. Canik tracked Kevin, Lego roleblocked Rafay, fruit vendor visited me. So only remaining roles are vig/PGO or N3 vig/vengeful. If vig visited Frgid then it is to kill him and I am sure town vig won't kill a cop. 

So yeah with all that in mind, Kevin is right to say that only one person visited Frigid.

[iSocialism]

If only one person visited fridge wouldn't that be Kevin

[vgmmaster]

I know the difference between the two. Read my statement again. Kevin says he's the watcher. Said he watched the fridge last night. Doesn't say anyone's name about who he saw. MKs post make it sounds like there was more than one at the fridge death. Meaning if that is true. There should be names not a blank statement after the claim. Is he actually the watcher why won't he say the names of who he saw. My statement was that he "watched" me NOT sumbit my action. I wasn't his target anyways. As in I didn't sumbit a NA.

 

Kevin did mention the names he saw visit Frigid. The only other name to have come up was yours. Reread his post again. I even colored it for you in case you missed it. Now of course, Kevin could be lying, but time will tell in that regard.

 

Canik is indeed a tracker.  He might be a scum tracker but he saw me visit FrigidInferno.

 

I was given the role of Universal Backup.  I became the Watcher after the first one died.

 

I targeted FrigidInferno last night with the Watcher ability since he was the cop and would be the most logical choice for the scum to hit.

 

Who else targeted FrigidInferno? iSocialism.

 

I was trying to be subtle in my accusation, but there is no doubt in my mind that he's scum.

 

As far as multiple people at Frigid's death, it could be construed in a few different ways. Did the mafia travel together for story purposes or did the mafia act alone? Regardless, if Kevin is telling the truth, there were four people in the same vicinity reading the death scene that we can put together. Frigid (the victim), Canik (who he investigated), Kevin (watching Frigid), Isoc (the killer).

And sniped by Lachiton.

 

And no Isoc. Kevin is saying one person targeted Frigid other than himself. That person is you.

[Lachiton]

If only one person visited fridge wouldn't that be Kevin

Now now you're really reaching here. You do know how watcher role works right? Ofcourse you know, you have played mafia long enough to know that Kevin will get names for those who targeted Frigid besides him. So yes Kevin visited Frigid and he saw you visiting him too. Now Kevin can be lying through his teeth but that doesn't refute the fact that if Kevin is indeed a watcher, the only other person to visit Frigid has to be the killer.

[Canik]

As for Canik, I am still iffy about him. Perhaps he can answer why of all people he tracked Kevin? Lego blocking Rafay made sense as Rafay is Rafay. Combined that with leading the mislynch of TW, his actions don't exactly scream town.

​I tracked Kevin b/c it was obvious Rafay would be under the gun. He was TW's #2 suspect after me. So Mafia probably wouldn't use him to perform the night kill and roleblocker/town vig were likely to target him if they didn't target me. So I went for someone less obvious so I'd be more likely to get info.

 

[Lachiton]

 

As for Canik, I am still iffy about him. Perhaps he can answer why of all people he tracked Kevin? Lego blocking Rafay made sense as Rafay is Rafay. Combined that with leading the mislynch of TW, his actions don't exactly scream town.

​I tracked Kevin b/c it was obvious Rafay would be under the gun. He was TW's #2 suspect after me. So Mafia probably wouldn't use him to perform the night kill and roleblocker/town vig were likely to target him if they didn't target me. So I went for someone less obvious so I'd be more likely to get info.

 

 

I was curious as to why Kevin? I didnt see you point any sort of accusations at him, neither did anyone, unless I missed something. Turned out to be a good choice but seemed to me out of the blue.

[Canik]

 

 

As for Canik, I am still iffy about him. Perhaps he can answer why of all people he tracked Kevin? Lego blocking Rafay made sense as Rafay is Rafay. Combined that with leading the mislynch of TW, his actions don't exactly scream town.

​I tracked Kevin b/c it was obvious Rafay would be under the gun. He was TW's #2 suspect after me. So Mafia probably wouldn't use him to perform the night kill and roleblocker/town vig were likely to target him if they didn't target me. So I went for someone less obvious so I'd be more likely to get info.

 

 

I was curious as to why Kevin? I didnt see you point any sort of accusations at him, neither did anyone, unless I missed something. Turned out to be a good choice but seemed to me out of the blue.

 

​Well, that is a big part as to 'why Kevin?'. Because he wasn't Rafay and it would be unexpected. But also it didn't sit real well with me how he stayed off the TW/Canik wagons yesterday and voted for an unrealistic option - iSoc - and I was leaning towards iSoc being town at the time.

[legoboyvdlp]

iSoc's defence is terrible.

Kevin, I don't know why you would have chose the backup over the role cop, unless your scum. Also you have proven yourself scum, by saying you watched the fridge, and not noting who else you say, actually you never did. You just hinted my name after your question. Shouldn't you know who visited? Solid defense is not a thing in this "defense".

1. It has been stated mames, you do not get to choose.

2. Backup is the more traditional town role... role cop is more useful for scum in this game.

3. Wrong, Kevin watched and saw you visited him. He knew he himself was there! We know people targeted Canik, right, looks like frigid targeted him too. But probably "friendly" or else Rafay, as Canik did not die and I blocked Rafay.

4. Bad OMGUS. Bad blame shifting.

I am voting you in exactly 7 days. You are scum.

Also someone said lachiton sniped frigid. Um, Frigid was town and not insane, so how could he kill Frigid? Unless he was the pgo?

[KevinH]

I believe Canik to have a high probability of being town.  If he was scum with iSocialism, then he would have known that I saw iSocialism deliver the kill.

It could be a preemptive attempt to get me lynched first before iSocialism but I think the scum would rather try for another power role than try to lynch a 1-shot watcher with his ability used up.