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[vgmmaster]

A question for MK - If the one shot vigilante was roleblocked, would his shot be refunded or is it wasted?

 

Obviously, not asking you to confirm if the role is in the game. Just wondering what that scenario would be if possible to confirm.

[legoboyvdlp]

Well said... iSoc is todays lynch for sure.

[vgmmaster]

iSoc's defence is terrible.
 

Kevin, I don't know why you would have chose the backup over the role cop, unless your scum. Also you have proven yourself scum, by saying you watched the fridge, and not noting who else you say, actually you never did. You just hinted my name after your question. Shouldn't you know who visited? Solid defense is not a thing in this "defense".

1. It has been stated mames, you do not get to choose.

2. Backup is the more traditional town role... role cop is more useful for scum in this game.

3. Wrong, Kevin watched and saw you visited him. He knew he himself was there! We know people targeted Canik, right, looks like frigid targeted him too. But probably "friendly" or else Rafay, as Canik did not die and I blocked Rafay.

4. Bad OMGUS. Bad blame shifting.

I am voting you in exactly 7 days. You are scum.

Also someone said lachiton sniped frigid. Um, Frigid was town and not insane, so how could he kill Frigid? Unless he was the pgo?

 

 

I presume you're referring to my post about the sniping. I wasn't saying Lachiton sniped Frigid. I was writing my post while Lachiton posted something similar a minute previously (so Lach sniped me). Should have prefaced it with an EBWOP. My mistake. I always forget this forum merges posts together if they're quick after each other.

[Lachiton]

So yeah even though iSoc is 99.99999999999999% scum, lets not end the day by hammering him. This will help scum and iSoc was even urging to vote and end the day, making his scumminess more obvious

We need to find out our next lynches as well town PR targets through our discussions. With vigilantes in the mix who may be scum aligned, we can hardly spare a mislynch. Now coming to that, provided iSoc is scum, who may be his scum partners? I feel iSoc was always going to be the fall guy, him taking part in lynches, even hammering, as well as doing scum kills. So I guess we can rule out that he is vigilante. I have a feeling Rafay may be the other scum, but you can never be sure with Rafay and it is extremely frustrating for town in how he plays. That is why scum never kill him. So I think theres a very experienced scum who is pulling the strings behind the scenes and making sure that he himself looks town to everyone else.

I have my doubts on either of the two - SBG or VGM. Thoughts?

[legoboyvdlp]

Copy vgn

Yep, why I am not voting right now

[brewersalliance]

 
with the potential for the night 3 vigi, if there is a PGO i am sure he will probably go alert tonight.  tho i am not sure how we can eliminate some of those people from being a PGO, as its a 1 shot, so if they chose not to arm themselves, nothing would have happened, so SBG, Lachiton, Rafay, and Robert could also be PGO's (unless I am missing something here)
 
But yeah if we do lynch Isoc, which does look like the inevitable choice and he flips town, if we have a townie vigi they should def shoot KevinH tonight, since he would clearly be lying about who visited frigid and would probably be the killer.

The PGO doesn't "go alert" necessarily, as it's a passive ability. In this case, what 1-shot means is if somebody targets the PGO, that person is dead. However, any subsequent targets will survive as the PGO will have used his one bullet. The only thing that throws a wrench into this theory is if somehow the roleblocker nullifies the PGO. I don't believe that is a common trait however.

From x/y mafia role list, it says they may chose to arm themsevels, so it sounds like they have to activate it

[vgmmaster]

 

 

 
with the potential for the night 3 vigi, if there is a PGO i am sure he will probably go alert tonight.  tho i am not sure how we can eliminate some of those people from being a PGO, as its a 1 shot, so if they chose not to arm themselves, nothing would have happened, so SBG, Lachiton, Rafay, and Robert could also be PGO's (unless I am missing something here)
 
But yeah if we do lynch Isoc, which does look like the inevitable choice and he flips town, if we have a townie vigi they should def shoot KevinH tonight, since he would clearly be lying about who visited frigid and would probably be the killer.
 

The PGO doesn't "go alert" necessarily, as it's a passive ability. In this case, what 1-shot means is if somebody targets the PGO, that person is dead. However, any subsequent targets will survive as the PGO will have used his one bullet. The only thing that throws a wrench into this theory is if somehow the roleblocker nullifies the PGO. I don't believe that is a common trait however.

From x/y mafia role list, it says they may chose to arm themsevels, so it sounds like they have to activate it

 

Thanks for that. I completely missed that as I was reading up on the role itself and not necessarily how the role relates to this setup. Completely blows my theory out of the water then.

[brewersalliance]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Pick_Your_Power_X/Y

It has the list of all the roles. Now that's not saying MK didn't modify anything, so I could be wrong.

[iSocialism]

Lol, I'm getting a highlight reel going for your guys 99.9999999 % wrong assumptions. Kevin wanna join, you will have less work after d4. Funny how the 1 shot didn't care to share the information right right away when he was voting for me. Instead just kept it under wraps until the left hook from canik.

[vgmmaster]

Rereading through day 3, I agree with everyone else that we have scum between Kevin and Isoc. Between the two, Kevin has a solid defense and Isoc is screaming OMGUS from the top of the mountains, so with what we know, Isoc appears to be the lynch to go for. That said, if we mislynch here AND we have a town vigilante, I'd argue they should go for the remaining living between Kevin and Isoc. If we land correctly, it gets a little trickier. Possibly Rafay or SBG. Another name that seems to get overlooked is Robert. I feel I don't see him around all that often either.

 

Concerning Robert, he is the only one to vote for our cop on day 2 and did not have a hand in the Canik / Warrior voting.  While he was roleblocked night 1, there's the chance for him to be mafia and not submit the kill. Same applies to Rafay in that regard (RB'd night 2).

 

Between these two lines of thought, we have one mafia between Kevin / Isoc. We have at least one other mafia between Rafay / SBG / Robert on the basis that all three have been on the quiet side. One possible thought is that whoever is sending in the mafia kills was the same person both nights. So if Rafay and Robert are both scum, but if Kevin or Isoc was the one doing all the kills, it would keep them safe from a roleblock or tracker. While I'm not the most familiar with Robert, having seen Rafay in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia would try to keep him hiding in the shadows somewhat. That, or completely throw him under the bus. Not sure which.

 

While writing this, one other thought popped into my head concerning Canik. While I don't necessarily think he's scum for sure, there's an interesting narrative to be had here. If he's a mafia tracker, he could have decided to buddy up with Lego. With deducing that Lego was the roleblocker and knowing he'd at minimum survive until day 3 (with the cop being an obvious night kill target) or possibly even day 4 (with Lego's death possibly?), it's one hell of a gambit if him and Kevin are both in on this. But one that could pan out if we stop suspecting him. After all, let's not all forget The Warrior's efforts in tracking down all of Canik's posts. That said, between Canik and Lego, I trust Lego more. Either way, if one of these two do happen to be scum, I don't suspect the other to be at that point.

[iSocialism]

AND we have a town vigilante, I'd argue they should go for the remaining living between Kevin and Isoc .

maybe, if he hasn't been role blocked while trying to use. He might have double used it. Such as, targeting someone the mafia was already going after. I know I would have use that role until tonight, or maybe further done the road. Definitely not before though

[SeaBeeGipson]

Anyone got a vote count?

[brewersalliance]

So we pretty much have a consensus that either Kevin or Isoc is scum, so I think its important to move on to figure out who is next most likely.

 

I my eyes we have three suspects:  Rafay, VGM and SBG.  All three stayed very quiet during the whole TW/Canik thing, and let town eat town, while taking no part in it.

 

SBG to me is the least likely of the three since I know he has a ton going on in RL so that could be why he was so absent, though he did kind of re-emerge the second we seem to have actually found scum, so thats interesting to me.

 

vgm is kind of in the same boat as SBG.  Completly absent while we lynched town and put up no resistance to it nor did vgm offer insight into who may or may not be more likely as scum.  Very silent and kind of just sat by and watched as we lynched town, then the second we appear to find scum vgm also shows up and starts giving insight.  then close to the lynch asked canik to role claim, and after canik did claim tracker, vgm kept the vote on canik, but never stated why they felt caniks claim was not believable   VGM even said it made sense that lego roleblocked robert, which in turn would back caniks claim, yet even tho vgm seemed to say caniks claim was probably true the vote stayed the same.  plus, vgm did not even vote or show up until I posted (page 26 post 501) stating that I think either SBG, rafay or vgm is scum.  VGM said "Between the two choices we have available, we have the vanilla Warrior, and the power role (most likely) Canik." So it appears vgm would rather lynch a power role than a VT.  What I find really interesting is that ISoc was on TW and VGM was on Canik.  before that vote canik was only at one vote, but this put him to two votes, and thus in danger of being lynched.  If Canik flipps town it would not shock me if either vgm or SBG flip scum too, since they both together put canik also in danger of being lynched if the wagon shifted off TW

 

Rafay-I shared my thoughts earlier, as Rafay did not vote for anyone D2, which in my eyes is pretty scummy.  

[SeaBeeGipson]

I feel I've been mentioned a lot lately and should address it.

I didn't understand the Canik/TW feud enough to cast any worthwhile opinion, and I largely blame my activity. Free time just recently picked up, but my activity might fall again soon. However, the start to Day 3 was interesting to me as I was active enough to watch it unfold and don't feel I'm like a chicken with his head cut off, running around with no idea what is going on.

My opinion on the Isocialism/Kevin/Canik feud that seems to be brewing it what I mentioned earlier. I feel we have the most INFORMATION to gain from a Isocialism lynch, but I feel the KevinH RC came at too perfect a timing. Hence why I'm not sold. Isocialism's defense was weak in my opinion, but Kevin's was too perfect it is making me having second thoughts on which is which. I also feel Rafay and Canik should not be overlooked in recent events, but again, Isocialism gives us information regarding all involved parties.

 

[legoboyvdlp]

I like that SBG is reasoning who is the most informative lynch, I think that is a town point for him

[iSocialism]

You scream scum so much to me. Your just trying to step up the lynch of towns, but the thing that troubles me. Is knowing that Kevin's team mate knows Kevin is lying. And if found out today would clear myself and canik. So, why plan after today. Knowing that the lynch will result in different planning. If the scums can get me missed lynch that means they will get a free kill tonight cough canik cough. D4 will start with no confirmed towns and a Kevin lynched. Assuming role blocker is unsuccessful. Still baffles me why no one has noticed that Kevin only RC'ed to save himself not to hunt scum. He vote for me early on, but not even slightly mention anything about his role. It wasn't until he was in hot water. That it was convenient for him to role claim. Maybe he didn't want you guys to now he was out of his one shot. All planning will change after today's lynch. Planning will actually be more efficient too. I know my role, and I know I haven't submitted an action AT ALL <---- so my vote on Kevin is not OMGUS, Ya idiots. It's my final vote for seeing his lie, and knowing it 100% not 99.9999% scummy. I see no reason to continue talking. I'm finding it hard so explain stuff when I know my role, and nothing further needs to be explained for me. Funny thing is. After I gave that little statistic thing for Kevin and he didn't remove his vote, I was thinking about submitting an action because of that.

[legoboyvdlp]

I was thinking about submitting an action because of that.

 

 

power role?

What is it then? It might just save you...

thing is, iSoc, you scream scum so much to me too

[iSocialism]

My start of my post was directed at brewer. I don't care to tell my role. Role means nothing in this game, and with only a few left it should be easy to tell which one I have.

[legoboyvdlp]

you should say who you are talking to then, Mr PGO / Vig / Venge

 

But it really sounds like you are a vig to me, question is if you are night 3 or one shot. Doesn't matter, anyway, vig can be scum or town. 

[iSocialism]

So Kevin, why did you wait to reveal your role until you were hot water?