if that was the case, sister midnight would dead. 

 

I believe that ability only is activated when the person with supersaint is lynched

 

@KevinH can you confirm a supersaint power only works when the supersaint is targeted or is it with any lynch?

 

 

Correct. If the player with Supersaint is lynched, the last player that voted and made it a majority (the hammer) is killed.

 

Note that my interpretation is that a player that makes it half-majority thus causing a deadline lynch is not a hammer in this case; I could see it interpreted otherwise, though.

We might be looking at 2 or 3 from tw. Alien hasn't popped up yet. Unless there 4 scum factions......

We might be looking at 2 or 3 from tw. Alien hasn't popped up yet. Unless there 4 scum factions......

Correct, I doubt Alien will pop up though. I just copied that section straight out of the Greater ideas Wiki. If the SK has a modifier it is likely to be 1-3 and most likely to be #2 or #3. That is all speculation of course. I was just pointing out that it's a possibility and we shouldn't expect the mafia to handle such a role, assuming it exists.

 

 

And uhhh Samus...what was that vote?  You can't vote for Rafay, so what was that?

 

his notion to end the day early is scummy to me. I know my vote doesn't count though

Yehom, Rafay, Jazzy y'all have been awfully quiet. Tell us what have you and your scum buddies been planning?

 

Also at this rate, maybe we need to start revealing roles.

 

We have 14 players left, out of which - if we're assuming 2 scum teams + 1 sk, with either 2/3 scum on each scum team. That puts us at a max of 7 scum players, 3 have now been evicted. So there's potentially 3-4 left.

 

Meaning 10/11 remaining players are townies.

 

This game won't last 2 more nights for the town at this rate, if we don't help to take out scum.

 

So I propose in the effort to help the town win this game, we need to start exposing our roles and or last nights actions.

 

For the sake of town winning, i'll start:

 

i'm Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Town Nurse.

Yehom, Rafay, Jazzy y'all have been awfully quiet. Tell us what have you and your scum buddies been planning?

 

Also at this rate, maybe we need to start revealing roles.

 

We have 14 players left, out of which - if we're assuming 2 scum teams + 1 sk, with either 2/3 scum on each scum team. That puts us at a max of 7 scum players, 3 have now been evicted. So there's potentially 3-4 left.

 

Meaning 10/11 remaining players are townies.

 

This game won't last 2 more nights for the town at this rate, if we don't help to take out scum.

 

So I propose in the effort to help the town win this game, we need to start exposing our roles and or last nights actions.

 

For the sake of town winning, i'll start:

 

i'm Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Town Nurse.

mass claiming isn't allowed.......

At this rate, nobody is going to share their actions. and then in 2 nights town loses.

 

If nobody shares information, the game is already lost.

 

We don't need to mass role claim then, but nobody is really trying to talk?

I guess I muted the town with my night action, not the effect I wanted at all. must of been in the fine print. use your night action people get quiet. 

Since we have nothing to go from expect the ones that voted for Imran:

 

SeaBeeGipson The Warrior, Brewersalliance, Lord MK, Canik, Robert2424, Legoboyvdlp, Sister Midnight,
 

Let me start saying that i didn't like SBG's post that prompted the wagon to begin with. The accusations made from that post were based hot air and people fell for it blindly. Just a nod, no arguments as to why SBG was right, just that he sounded right. Though I can't immediately project all SBG's posts on TW, I am however wary as to what he has to say.

Brewers to me is so 50/50. A SK has been confirmed last night, he could have a role like he said he has, but the way he out of the blue just announced that, including his 'immunity' to the SK, makes me wonder why he would play it like that. There is no good way to explain that, so quite frankly I believe Brewers should just RC right now. The cat was already out of the bag to begin with, better to commit, let us see what he has to say, whether it is believable etc. The SK already knows anyway not to kill Brewers, should his claim be the truth. 

MK was revealed to be scum

Canik is on the chopping board as we speak, as of now I see no real reason for the gladiator to choose him, but he did anyway so that can't be helped. I personally think Canik is more likely town

Robert has RC'ed to be the gladiator. Because nobody has counterclaimed that, I'm going to assume that statement is true which means Robert is 100% confirmed town

Lego has been off lately. His role claim was weird, but some what defendable, however his voting pattern has been really off last day. He jumped wagons a couple of times, which makes you wonder whether his role claim is true or not. Reloader is also a very easy power role to buff.

SM I have no read on. Voting was off obviously, jumping in last second, confused about deadlines etc. Could be an honest mistake, but could be played stupidity too. Can't quite make out what it is exactly, but I feel that Lego was a bit more off.  

Agreed with Yehom. Brewers, you should be roleclaiming, now.

I obviously cannot speak for what was going through SBG's mind when he made his case against Imran. All I can say about that was that as I watched it from the sidelines, I thought that he raised some interesting points, but I thought that what followed after his vote on Imran was embarrassing for the town. It's fine if you agree with what another player says but you should still maintain your own unique thoughts. People who blindly followed the vote by saying "I agree with SBG" and nothing else were not helping the town. This is a game of interpretation and manipulation. If you are going to vote for someone at least add your own thought to it.

 

I was not surprised to see a post like SBG's however. It seems like one of those happens every single game. Someone does things just scummy enough that it causes a more analytical player to dig into everything that they have done/said for the entire game and make a big post about it. I just did this to Canik in the XY game in fact. Canik and I both turned out to be town there.

 

Townies are almost always the ones that make posts like that, especially early in a game. And doing so usually leads other townies to bicker with one another. Scum players almost always sit out those arguments. They have no reason to speak when the town is going at one another and risk exposing themselves. They would much rather let the town kill off their own while skating by under the radar. Therefore, I would be most concerned about the people who completely avoided the Imran/SBG et al argument.

​It would be good for town if more people at least gave their thoughts on remaining players/gave suspect lists. Here's mine:

​Most Scummy:

​Rafay - need I say more? He no voted yesterday too which past D1 I generally frown upon. Although I must say with all the power roles.. maybe we should've gone no lynch D2 but it wasn't as clear then and if that was his reasoning would've been nice of him to post it. So I doubt that was his reason. More likely just wanting to lay low.

​Kitkat - Is Kitkat really still alive? Quiet and says some questionable thing but this is not far from the norm for Kitkat so who knows? Voted for Brewers yesterday and even tho I lean towards Brewers being town I give a little town point to Kitkat for that. Appears to be trying more than Rafay at least.

​Jazzy - New player so it's hard to say if scummy mistakes are a result of newness or scumminess. Still, can't ignore the scummy mistakes. Plus Jazzy no voted yesterday.

Somewhat Scummy:

​Lord Sunday - just helped us out a bit clearing up the Supersaint role but scum will look for ways seem helpful. Him no voting yesterday is suspicious to me though.

​The Warrior - SBG started the wagon on Imran leading to his mislynch. His reasoning seemed somewhat weak to me but then Imran's response (roleclaiming and advertising he "definitely" had a strong role rather early) seemed so fake and scummy to me I joined in. (plus it looked like a no lynch may happen and generally you want to lynch after D1)

Anyway, grabbing a little scummy thing and making a case for it and letting town join in on the lynch is not a bad strategy for scum. I worry this may be what SBG was doing. Though I list him (now TW) as only 'somewhat' scummy because at least he appeared to by trying. And Imran did seem scummy to me too in the end.

​Sister Midnight - Voted at the end on the Imran wagon.. could be a good move to seem town, why would scum join a wagon they know is town and the lynch is already sealed? But I'm a little doubtful SM would make that gambit.. more or less neutral on SM.

​Yehom & Lachiton - Both voted on Brewers. Neutral on them both.

​Rhizo - Voted on Brewers. Quite a bit of analysis and talking. Leaning slightly town towards him but Rhizo will post a lot even if scum so gotta keep an eye on him.

​Least Scummy:

​Brewers - while the roleclaim by him seems like a mistake to me, I think it's probably legit. He seems geniunely unafraid to be lynched too. Could be scum and playing it well but leaning towards him being town. Keeping an eye on him but for now he's in my less scummy catagory.

​Lego & Samus - ^ same reasoning as Brewers tho they haven't shown as much willingness to be lynched. Haven't had as much opportunity to do so perhaps, so I don't count it against them too much. However, I would say they seem slightly more suspect than Brewers.

​Robert - confirmed town by Mod so if he's not, gonna be real upset with Kevin.

​I think that's it.. went back to the ending votes yesterday to analysis that but didn't read through all 28 pages to analysis all their posts. 

@Canik How exactly am I any more scummy than Yehom or Lachiton, when as you rightly observe I voted for the same person as they did yesterday? (i.e. Brewers.) Aren't the people who voted for an actual townie (Imran) scummier? What exactly have I said which is more dodgy than Yehom or Lach's posts? Yeah, I've been quiet today. So has everyone. I haven't had much to say, and I don't make posts saying that I have nothing to say because I know from experience that I am then accused of trying to get my post count up with fluff. I HAVE stirred stuff up though where I can, e.g. boldly being the first one to accuse Lego of fakeclaiming, and later Brewers too.

Hmm.. I did consider moving you down because I knew you had been involved in some discussion. Accusing Brewers/Lego isn't a huge positive tho for me when I lean towards them being town. 

I will revise my list a bit and say I do rate you lower than Rafay/Jazzy. Closer to Yehom/Lachiton but still find you a bit scummier personally. No offense but I just find your posts a little less convincing. 

 

Aren't the people who voted for an actual townie (Imran) scummier?

​Not really, it doesn't seem to be a great indication of who is scum or not. In the Pick Your Power game the 2 scum we've killed stayed off the town-lynching wagons. Doesn't mean there won't ever be scum on town wagons we know one scum (Lord MK) was on the Imran wagon but there's a good chance many of them are town. We also know one scum (iSoc) was no voting. 

 

Hmm.. I did consider moving you down because I knew you had been involved in some discussion. Accusing Brewers/Lego isn't a huge positive tho for me when I lean towards them being town. 

 

I will revise my list a bit and say I do rate you lower than Rafay/Jazzy. Closer to Yehom/Lachiton but still find you a bit scummier personally. No offense but I just find your posts a little less convincing. 

 

 

Aren't the people who voted for an actual townie (Imran) scummier?

 

​Not really, it doesn't seem to be a great indication of who is scum or not. In the Pick Your Power game the 2 scum we've killed stayed off the town-lynching wagons. Doesn't mean there won't ever be scum on town wagons we know one scum (Lord MK) was on the Imran wagon but there's a good chance many of them are town. We also know one scum (iSoc) was no voting. 

 

 

I do agree that not all the scum are likely to be on Imran's wagon. But as you say iSoc wasn't voting.

... gonna be real upset with Kevin.

 

For the record, all I'm confirming is

 

Roles were taken from the list at Greater_Idea_Mafia

 

That list includes

 

One-shot Gladiator (Target two players at night; if both alive at daybreak, they are the only two lynch candidates that day)

 

That is a town role.

 

Draw conclusions at your own risk.

Ali bin Turban replaces Legoboyvdlp.

 

In his previous role as jack-of-all trades, he was killed before he used any power so he has no extra information.

Yehom seems pretty set on trying to paint me as a liar.  I know the SK cant kill me, and the only way the SK can get rid of me is with a lynch on me, so it makes sense to me that the sk would push for me to be lynched.  I dont get why Yehom and kitkat would push me to role claim when i virutally did already.  are you asking me to say the specific name and hoping i say something different to trip me up?  you do know that if i was lying i would just get the role name off the list and pick a star wars character name that fit the role, so I dont get what u are trying to accomplish here 

Yehom seems pretty set on trying to paint me as a liar.  I know the SK cant kill me, and the only way the SK can get rid of me is with a lynch on me, so it makes sense to me that the sk would push for me to be lynched.  I dont get why Yehom and kitkat would push me to role claim when i virutally did already.  are you asking me to say the specific name and hoping i say something different to trip me up?  you do know that if i was lying i would just get the role name off the list and pick a star wars character name that fit the role, so I dont get what u are trying to accomplish here 

 

OK. On second thoughts, I believe you. You're coming across as town to me.

I obviously cannot speak for what was going through SBG's mind when he made his case against Imran. All I can say about that was that as I watched it from the sidelines, I thought that he raised some interesting points, but I thought that what followed after his vote on Imran was embarrassing for the town. It's fine if you agree with what another player says but you should still maintain your own unique thoughts. People who blindly followed the vote by saying "I agree with SBG" and nothing else were not helping the town. This is a game of interpretation and manipulation. If you are going to vote for someone at least add your own thought to it.

 

I was not surprised to see a post like SBG's however. It seems like one of those happens every single game. Someone does things just scummy enough that it causes a more analytical player to dig into everything that they have done/said for the entire game and make a big post about it. I just did this to Canik in the XY game in fact. Canik and I both turned out to be town there.

 

Townies are almost always the ones that make posts like that, especially early in a game. And doing so usually leads other townies to bicker with one another. Scum players almost always sit out those arguments. They have no reason to speak when the town is going at one another and risk exposing themselves. They would much rather let the town kill off their own while skating by under the radar. Therefore, I would be most concerned about the people who completely avoided the Imran/SBG et al argument.

 

SBG who you replaced is an obvious suspect in my book for being on the lynch of Imran and pushing for it.  I agree what followed with people just using what SBG said as a reason to vote is not something anyone should like to see.  Not only did most just say SBG made good points, most didn't elaborate on what points exactly he made stood out most to them.  Now I gain a little bit of town feel with SBG's continuous effort to get him lynched.  Most scum aren't going to be the major one pushing a lynch, especially D2.  But then again, he might of merely tried to look townish by scum hunting and didn't suspect to gain so many people to follow him on the lynch.  But he didn't wavier on his thoughts Imran was scum, continuing to put himself in the spotlight of pushing for the lynch.

 

Imran didn't do himself any favors, it seems he got busy before end of the day and couldn't post anything to change anyone's mind, but its obvious now knowing his role he was looking to do what he could to keep his identity and role under wraps which I would of did as well if I was the seer, so can't really blame him.  Just more the fact people didn't think it was odd when a bunch of people voted him without any of their own thoughts...that alone is a warning sign.

 

You're certainly not off the hook in my eyes.  SBG is a smart player, and doing something a scum normally wouldn't, would not surprise me if he did.  But I'm more suspicious of those who went onto Imran's wagon using SBG as seemingly the scapegoat if/when Imran turned up town.  It's more likely to see scum jump on the wagon of someone that another person is the main one pushing for and they're just tagging along.

 

I don't think all of scum were on that wagon though, and you have two different factions and a SK.  We know 1 werewolf was on that wagon now that we know who MK was, and we know 1 scum was not on it, Isocialism who didn't vote.  If mafia now with 2 dead are not completely eliminated (don't know if Kevin would reveal that), the other scum could be apart of it, and/or SK.  A possible other werewolf could be as well, but not sure if they'd commit 2 or more werewolves on the lynch of a town.  

 

You're not my top suspect, but you certainly remain a suspect for Sea's vote/push prior to you taking over.  Hard to gather yet if Sea/you are not apart of town, if he'd push as hard as he did, but again, i doubt he suspected so many to jump and stay on Imran from merely what he said.  

 

 

Yehom seems pretty set on trying to paint me as a liar.  I know the SK cant kill me, and the only way the SK can get rid of me is with a lynch on me, so it makes sense to me that the sk would push for me to be lynched.  I dont get why Yehom and kitkat would push me to role claim when i virutally did already.  are you asking me to say the specific name and hoping i say something different to trip me up?  you do know that if i was lying i would just get the role name off the list and pick a star wars character name that fit the role, so I dont get what u are trying to accomplish here 

 

 

That was my whole point of yesterday.  Again, I still think you were the better lynch yesterday from a standpoint your power was pretty much over, and Imran we weren't positive on.  Much rather risk losing at the worst a VT then an unknown and possible more important role in Imran (we now know was more important) that others followed SBG too easily on.  We would have tested your claim, as well as if you came up retired Marine which you seem to basically hint at, then we may have an idea of who the SK would of been because they'd want you dead.  That obviously would thus included me, but knowing I'm town, my focus would of been on the 3 on you prior (Yehom/Lach/Kitkat).  I eliminated Kitkat some from that list as after you roleclaimed, he did not instantly change his vote to you, and instead kept it on Lego at the time which he would of not likely done if he was the SK and needed you dead by lynch.  He did however eventually change it, but him waiting to gives him a little less suspicion in my eyes that he's not the SK.  My gut is telling me the SK lies between the 3 of Yehom/Lach/you, just merely based on the votes and you possibly using a fake RC.  It's a lot easier for the SK to push a lynch on you yesterday/now, then it will if you establish yourself with everyone else as a townie and the rest believe your RC.  Once it gets to that point, it's going to be hard for the SK to push a lynch with the remaining players needed for him to lynch you and win.  

 

It's not that I don't/didn't necessarily believe your RC as we know there's a SK, and we know we had a role already immune to werewolves so you very well could be a retired marine immuned to a SK.  I just felt given circumstances of you RCing and your ability no longer of much help and the circumstances around the wagon on Imran you were the best option yesterday for what we'd lose compared to what we'd gain from your lynch, be it SK suspects if you were telling the truth and proving there was a SK (we know now there is with 2 nights of 3 deaths) or you possibly being the SK using a fake RC.   Now that were in D3 and we mislynched once and only have 2 options with this Gladiator role, I have to decide if I believe your RC or not.  I'm leaning towards believing you, especially considering now we know basically for sure there's an SK with 3 deaths again last night.

 

And uhhh Samus...what was that vote?  You can't vote for Rafay, so what was that?

 

his notion to end the day early is scummy to me. I know my vote doesn't count though

 

 

 

I gotcha.  Not a bad idea, as just because we have only two options to lynch today, people should still put forth names they suspect for later days in case they'e killed tonight.  Though it's not possible to lynch anyone outside of Brewers/Canik today, suspicion of others outside of those two should be brought forward.  Seems a few have at this point, so that's good

Yehom seems pretty set on trying to paint me as a liar.  I know the SK cant kill me, and the only way the SK can get rid of me is with a lynch on me, so it makes sense to me that the sk would push for me to be lynched.  I dont get why Yehom and kitkat would push me to role claim when i virutally did already.  are you asking me to say the specific name and hoping i say something different to trip me up?  you do know that if i was lying i would just get the role name off the list and pick a star wars character name that fit the role, so I dont get what u are trying to accomplish here 

I've yet to see why you're so reluctant then to fully role claim. You've already stated your powers, so why not make it official? There is zero downside to you now fully role claiming unless you have something more to hide. The SK wasn't going to target you anytime soon and mafia/werewolves are probably gunning for more powerful people

Apparently Rafay always looks scummy. It may just be his play style going to land him in hot water more often then not though. I think people just place people in category because of there experience with them. Like I personally see it might be hard for anybody to truly make a case on somebody very liked. Say Sister Midnight. So dose that mean She has a advantage then as Rafay has a disadvantage just for who they are? 

Hi there

 

vote Canik

 

- For his mild analysis, where RC are towns, lurkers have scummy feeling and the rest are "I'm not sure". It's like he's not trying to scum hunt to much. 

- For jumping on Imran's wagon. His motive was not convincing to me and could be just an excuse to get someone lynched at the deadline (post here: https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-3/page-23?do=findComment&comment=937566). Also with 2 scum teams it wouldn't be uncommon to find 2 scums sitting in one wagon.

Apparently Rafay always looks scummy. It may just be his play style going to land him in hot water more often then not though. I think people just place people in category because of there experience with them. Like I personally see it might be hard for anybody to truly make a case on somebody very liked. Say Sister Midnight. So dose that mean She has a advantage then as Rafay has a disadvantage just for who they are? 

 

Yeah, pretty much. Although I try to take those things into account, the thing is I'm still going to tend to want to lynch a non-talkative player over one who talks. Because talking is an essential part to this game and those who do talk give more to analyze. Why kill them first? Unless there is good evidence against them. Sucks for Rafay and I do try not to pick on the quiet ones TOO much but at the end of the day, it seems like the better strategy to me. So, sorry Rafay, don't take it personally I'm just doing the logical thing as I see it. 

 

 

 

vote Canik - For his mild analysis, where RC are towns, lurkers have scummy feeling and the rest are "I'm not sure". It's like he's not trying to scum hunt to much. - For jumping on Imran's wagon. His motive was not convincing to me and could be just an excuse to get someone lynched at the deadline (post here: https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-3/page-23?do=findComment&comment=937566). Also with 2 scum teams it wouldn't be uncommon to find 2 scums sitting in one wagon.

 

​Sorry I don't have unreasonable confidence in who is scum and who isn't and that I was rather consistent and not all over the place. My bad. xD

 

​If my thoughts on who is scummy should be more extreme because of evidence go ahead and share that evidence please. Even if you keep voting for me, I'd like to hear it and I'm sure the rest of town would too.

 

​As my motive for voting Imran.. I think my motive was the best personally. Most others just bandwagoned. It is true there could be a 2nd scum on the Imran wagon but the odds of picking the right one is still low. There were 7-8 people on that wagon. Also find it kind of funny you may no mention of Brewers being on that wagon.. and what was his reasoning again?

 

​Honestly AbT, it's like you're not even trying to scum hunt too much.

"Oh, such spunk!" -Supreme Leader Snoke

Vote count:

Brewersalliance (1): Robert2424,
Canik (1): Ali bin Turban 


No Lynch (2): Brewersalliance, Rafay,

Not voting: Jazzy95, LordSunday, SeaBeeGipson, Canik, Sister Midnight, Yehom, Lachiton, Kitkat16, Rhizoctonia, Samus,

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch, or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Wednesday, February 14, at 23:00 EST