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[The Warrior]

Well that was disappointing KitKat..

[KevinH]

[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering bastard!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong!
DJ: Maybe.
 


Vote count:

Samus (2): Canik, Brewersalliance,
Sister Midnight (1): Ali bin Turban,
The Warrior (0): 
Lachiton (0): 
Canik (0):
Brewersalliance (0):
Jazzy95 (0): 
LordSunday (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Kitkat16 (0):

No Lynch (0): 

Not voting:  Lachiton, LordSunday, The Warrior, Samus, Kitkat16, Sister Midnight, Jazzy95, 

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Thursday, March 29, at 08:00 EDT.

[Canik]

Addendum: I didn’t see canik’s call for role claims until after I made the above post. Idk if I would have shared as much as I did I& I had seen it first. Is it ok for Canik to make that kind of post?

​It's name-claims I want, not role-claims

[Samus]

Well that was disappointing KitKat..

Maybe this is just a coincidence and Yehom did jailkeep SM?

[The Warrior]

 

Well that was disappointing KitKat..

Maybe this is just a coincidence and Yehom did jailkeep SM?

I am almost certain that this is the case. 

 

If a Town Doctor existed they would have chosen a known power role to protect and most likely would have protected Yehom. I believe that Yehom chose to jail SM because he probably at least thought that there was a chance that she was scum and that Samus wouldn't have chosen to target her with his kill.

 

I also believe that this means that there is NOT a werewolf role blocker either. Surely a werewolf role blocker would have targeted ABT to stop him from reloading Samus if they believed that Samus is indeed a Town Vig and had a decent shot of hitting one of them.

 

 

We are left with this in my opinion(from most townie to least townie):

 

The Warrior - I am the Town Cop. All my results have already been made public.

Ali bin Turban - Claims to be the Town Reloader. Has had multiple people verify his night actions. Town.

Canik - Claims to be a Universal Miller. Has investigated as guilty to an FBI Agent's investigation and a Town Cop's investigation. Results are consistent with his claim. Town.

Samus - Claims to be a 1-shot Town Vig. Was reloaded by ABT last night and targeted SM who was most likely jailed. Samus may not have been playing a very 'clean' game but I believe he is Town.
Sister Midnight - Claims to have used an action on night 1 and nothing since. Investigated as innocent to my investigation so cannot be mafia. Could be a werewolf but I find it highly unlikely. I believe she is Town.

Brewersalliance - Implied that he is a Retired Marine although he has not yet officially role claimed. He is most likely town but I'm not 100% sure.

Jazzy95 - Claims to be an FBI Agent. Outed Rafay as the Serial Killer so I believe the role claim. Faction is not yet known though. Could be Town or Werewolf.

KitKat - No role claimed. Is more active than the last two on the list but that doesn't really do much for him in my opinion other than put him slightly above the last two. I'm leaning more toward Werewolf but not 100% sure. I believe that at least one of two werewolves probably has experience though so this could be a point against KitKat since I believe he is more seasoned than the last two.

LordSunday - These last two are interchangeable to me. Neither has role claimed. Both have been largely MIA for various reasons and haven't really done a whole lot. High likelihood of being a Werewolf.
Lachiton - These last two are interchangeable to me. Neither has role claimed. Both have been largely MIA for various reasons and haven't really done a whole lot. High likelihood of being a Werewolf.

 

I think that we need to start at the bottom of this list and work our way up. If I was to put money on it, I think that Town would win after lynching these bottom three.

 

Vote Lachiton

[Ali bin Turban]

SM's claim seems believable, therefore

 

unvote

 

Now to other things:

 

1. We're still not sure what's up with the Doctor. It wasn't 100% guaranteed that he'll protect Yehom. If Yehom was an obvious target, Doctor could still gamble and chose someone else thinking scum would not target him.

2. Question to Samus, I don't remember if you mentioned if you have used up your shot? Do you still have your charge? Would you know the difference between being roleblocked, hitting untargetable person (like a jailed one) or just hitting someone resilient (like bulletproof person)?

3. I agree with TW's assessments. Lachiton/Kitkat are my main suspects (at least one of them), so:

 

vote Lachiton

[The Warrior]

 

1. We're still not sure what's up with the Doctor. It wasn't 100% guaranteed that he'll protect Yehom. If Yehom was an obvious target, Doctor could still gamble and chose someone else thinking scum would not target him.

 

A doctor could have made that sort of gamble but with the numbers so far in the town's favor at this point it would have been foolish for a doctor to not save another role as powerful as Jailkeeper. Having two protective roles left in the town against presumably only 2 werewolves would make it nearly impossible for the werewolf faction to win.

[Kitkat16]

Apart from thinking I'm scum, TW's reasoning is solid. Vote: Lachiton

[Samus]

2. Question to Samus, I don't remember if you mentioned if you have used up your shot? Do you still have your charge? Would you know the difference between being roleblocked, hitting untargetable person (like a jailed one) or just hitting someone resilient (like bulletproof person)?

 

Well i'm assuming I would receive a "x person is still alive" result for any of those scenarios. I used up my shot though yeah.

 

Vote Lachiton

 

pressure's on Lachiton, now might be a good time to role claim, if you want to save yourself and the town

[Canik]

I will start of by saying that I agree with most of the sentiments that are lingering this day. Yes Rhizo is a dead man walking, defending him would be absolutely stupid as he himself has already given up. No i do not believe that every person that hasn't role claimed should be seen as 'unhelpful', whatever that may entail. I personally believe that not everybody that has role claimed so far is telling the truth. Regarding Roberts death I think that that's Werewolves playing safe. They want to keep everybody that town even slightly considers not town alive so they are potential lynches and they also had to consider Rhizo's and town protective role's potential target, so they don't waste a kill. Killing Robert in that scenario would probably be optimal, as Rhizo was not probably not going to target him, nor would a town protective role as Robert's power wasn't extremely powerful. Regarding the Samus discussion, I honestly am not completely buying the fact that he is a Vig and managed to kill MK in a lucky attempt during N2. As of right now these are my thoughts regarding everybody still in this game

 

The Warrior: I've seen some people doubt the fact that he's a town cop. I personally think that he's probably not a werewolf cop trying to play it off like a townie. Given the game design and the multiple factions, it's highly possible that a town cop exists and since nobody has counterclaimed this, I'm inclined to believe that TW is cop and also town

Lachiton: I have absolutely no read on this guy, he's been inactive for the most part, barely participating in discussions which makes it hard to get a read on him. Could be town, could absolutely be werewolf as well

Canik: claims to be a Miller, has been checked by Jazzy and came up guilty I think if I remember that correctly. I can't remember if TW already checked him or not, but if he did come up as guilty on his investigation as well, it's probably true that Canik is the Miller and therefore town

Brewers: I went hard on his ass for not fully role claiming and I still feel that I'm in the right on that one. The fact that Rafay tried to role claim Yoda, while Ali was Yoda is only a testament to this. However since Rafay already came up as the SK, it's likely that Brewers is what he claimed he is, which means he's most likely town

Jazzy: roleclaimed to be FBI agent and found out that Rafay was the SK. However given the list of possible roles and the fact that werewolves have access to FBI agents too, it makes you wonder whether Jazzy is a townie or a werewolf. I'm still 50/50 on this one. 

LordSunday: same as with Lachiton, absolutely no read on him

Rhizo: mafia, done deal

Samus: claimed to be nurse first, then claimed to be 1-shot Vig and asked to be reloaded by Ali, claimed to have used his first and only shot on MK during N2. What I don't understand is why there were only 3 kills during N2 if this is true. If someone can enlighten me on what exactly happened during that situation, I'm more inclined to believe Samus' story, but for the moment things don't really add up entirely in that situation  

Ali: claimed Reloader, confirmed by Robert, 100% town

Kitkat: has been active, but very on the fence in my eyes, hardly ever really participating in discussions, just pinches his thoughts right in when he needs to, hard to get a clear read on him, but suspicious nevertheless

SM: same as with Lachiton and LS

 

I may have missed some things here or there, which you all are welcome to add for me, but for the moment this is what I got

@TW - you theorized in your suspect list post that Yehom jailed SM thinking there was a chance she was scum and Samus wouldn't target her. You may be right, because Yehom had been using jailkeeper aggressively not defensively. Aside from that though, I would think he would be trying to protect her. Yehom was still very on-the-fence and wary of Samus. Whereas on SM he said he had no read. Then, after that, SM made posts suspecting/doubting Samus. It could be that Yehom, not trusting Samus, choose to protect who would more likely be Samus' target. I do have my doubts about this but.. it is interesting. 

​What's really interesting about it though has nothing to do with Yehom's motivations. I just really dislike that Samus tried to kill one of her biggest threats like as scum would. It seems like an OMGUS vote to me if not worse. 

​After reading back, making this post and all.. I realize, wasn't it said there can't be a 1-shot Vig Werewolf? If so, I guess I'll back off Samus for now but if it's possible.. he'd be very high on my list.

[The Warrior]

It's not possible. The only roles possible are the ones listed with the exact same alignments. Kevin said that he did not change the alignments of the listed roles. So if you believe that Samus is a 1-shot Vig it means that you believe he is also town.

[Lachiton]

So it has been 5-6 days since I am back in country after a month long harrowing trip in a different continent. It had been work related so I rarely got any time to have fun. I was extremely tired after coming back and also had some pending office work to finish. Now I can finally devote more time here. I am reading through the thread to catch up since my last visit here, but looking at the eagerness to lynch me, I should consider myself lucky if I am not hammered by the time I am able to finish reading back and post more of my thoughts.

 I think my last post here was royally ignored https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-6/?p=940847
Also Doctor not protecting jail keeper makes me think either of the following could have happened:

1) Doctor himself was role blocked, possibly by werewolf roleblocker or Yehom jailed him.

2) There's no doctor.
 

 

Anyways I am not lying about being out of country for a month, IRON members can check the Gone Fishing thread. My activity dropped across the board, not only here. Still I tried to post whenever I got the chance, but apparently asking to look at people who RCed but cannot be verified or absolutely not contributing anything otherwise, is considered distracting town. Yehom agreed too with me on that but I bet you wont consider he was distracting town too. Or our opportunist player named Kitkat who was agreeing with me on the same while ago, but somehow is onboard with TW's (same as AbT's) list and doesn't waste time or his brain cells before jumping on me.

So TW and AbT, if now I am back and can spend more time here, will you consider moving me up on the list and push down at least another "MIA" player LS below me? Or do you want me to RC just for the sake of it, even though it wont help town AT ALL and probably cant be verified? Also other than my activity, I would like to know what incriminating evidence you have that I am scum that you all are wasting no time putting me at L-2, 7 days before deadline, with the full knowledge that there are 2 ww left and they can hammer me anytime they want and end the day prematurely? Whats the plan then when I flip town? My wagon analysis wont give you any clue either as you guys started it.
 

[KevinH]

Captain Phasma: You are a bug in the system.
Finn: Let's go, chrome-dome.
 


Vote count:

Lachiton (4): The Warrior, Ali bin Turban, Kitkat16, Samus,
Samus (2): Canik, Brewersalliance,
Sister Midnight (0):
The Warrior (0): 
Canik (0):
Brewersalliance (0):
Jazzy95 (0): 
LordSunday (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Kitkat16 (0):

No Lynch (0): 

Not voting:  Lachiton, LordSunday, Sister Midnight, Jazzy95, 

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Thursday, March 29, at 08:00 EDT.

[Lachiton]

Still waiting for the answer to my questions. 

Also @Samus, you previously thought SM was scum and go as far as to try to night kill her (according to you). Here also you say she is responding as a nervous scum but just like that you switch your vote to me without anything to add from your end. So it doesn't take much effort to swing your views one way or the other.

Also I am finding it extremely laughable how AbT posts 3 questions to SM and after one post immediately clears her, without any of his questions actually being answered.

[Kitkat16]

So it has been 5-6 days since I am back in country after a month long harrowing trip in a different continent. It had been work related so I rarely got any time to have fun. I was extremely tired after coming back and also had some pending office work to finish. Now I can finally devote more time here. I am reading through the thread to catch up since my last visit here, but looking at the eagerness to lynch me, I should consider myself lucky if I am not hammered by the time I am able to finish reading back and post more of my thoughts.

 I think my last post here was royally ignored https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-6/?p=940847
Also Doctor not protecting jail keeper makes me think either of the following could have happened:

1) Doctor himself was role blocked, possibly by werewolf roleblocker or Yehom jailed him.

2) There's no doctor.
 

 

Anyways I am not lying about being out of country for a month, IRON members can check the Gone Fishing thread. My activity dropped across the board, not only here. Still I tried to post whenever I got the chance, but apparently asking to look at people who RCed but cannot be verified or absolutely not contributing anything otherwise, is considered distracting town. Yehom agreed too with me on that but I bet you wont consider he was distracting town too. Or our opportunist player named Kitkat who was agreeing with me on the same while ago, but somehow is onboard with TW's (same as AbT's) list and doesn't waste time or his brain cells before jumping on me.

So TW and AbT, if now I am back and can spend more time here, will you consider moving me up on the list and push down at least another "MIA" player LS below me? Or do you want me to RC just for the sake of it, even though it wont help town AT ALL and probably cant be verified? Also other than my activity, I would like to know what incriminating evidence you have that I am scum that you all are wasting no time putting me at L-2, 7 days before deadline, with the full knowledge that there are 2 ww left and they can hammer me anytime they want and end the day prematurely? Whats the plan then when I flip town? My wagon analysis wont give you any clue either as you guys started it.
 

 

I know this is going to look terrible, but the man has a point. I was agreeing with Lach until fairly recently. (The honest truth is that I forgot about that. I haven't been rereading the thread.) We could lynch LS instead/ first?

[Canik]

It's not possible. The only roles possible are the ones listed with the exact same alignments. Kevin said that he did not change the alignments of the listed roles. So if you believe that Samus is a 1-shot Vig it means that you believe he is also town.

 

Damn, alright. 

​Unvote Samus

​Vote Kitkat

​SM has a Vig gunning for her. Lach has 3 votes on him. So I'll give my attention to you, Kitkat.  

​How about getting us started on the name claims? I really would like the 4 unknowns + Brewers to name claim. And anyone else who hasn't. Did Jazzy?

​I just want the character names you were given, NOT your roles. No reason to be shy about it or hide it.. unless you're a scum without a safe name.

[Kitkat16]

 

It's not possible. The only roles possible are the ones listed with the exact same alignments. Kevin said that he did not change the alignments of the listed roles. So if you believe that Samus is a 1-shot Vig it means that you believe he is also town.

 

Damn, alright. 

​Unvote Samus

​Vote Kitkat

​SM has a Vig gunning for her. Lach has 3 votes on him. So I'll give my attention to you, Kitkat.  

​How about getting us started on the name claims? I really would like the 4 unknowns + Brewers to name claim. And anyone else who hasn't. Did Jazzy?

​I just want the character names you were given, NOT your roles. No reason to be shy about it or hide it.. unless you're a scum without a safe name.

 

 

I almost refused to give you the character name, because it's less well known, and won't be believed. But on reflection, saying that it's less well known and won't be believed isn't any more helpful than just giving you it. So I'm Nien Nunb. I had to Google who that even was, and I've seen The Last Jedi more than once. :v

 

As for roleclaiming, you can forget it, I won't do that even if I'm facing the lynch. Which I'm not, currently.

[Lachiton]

I am at 4 votes FYI. Kitkat didn't unvote me. So I am still wondering why those 2 ww didn't hammer me yet. Either one or both of them are already on my wagon or they're currently on the not voting crowd and doesn't want to show their hands by hammering me and ending the day early.

Don't understand Canik's insistence on name claiming. If it was that easy to find out who is scum by names then Kevin wouldn't have allowed mass name claiming imo. Agree with TW on this, either scum has been given fake names or good guy names can be scum as well.

Also I kinda agree with Kitkat on role claiming, even though I think he is shifty af. Forcing role claiming got Yehom killed. A town jailkeeper shouldn't have come forward unless he can pinpoint scum and get him lynched. Now you guys want the possible doctor to come forward too, endangering his life? He might not exist but if he does it will be stupid to claim.

[brewersalliance]

I know Lach and LS are both busy with real life stuff, so I dont think thats a good reason to lynch them.  LS has been fairly inactive for a while now and Lach was in India, so on that, unless there is real evidence I am not gonna vote for either for them.   the way kitkat quickly dogpiled onto Lach after TW gave his reasoning is fairly suspicious to me

 

unvote

 

vote:  Kitkat

[Ali bin Turban]

Anyways I am not lying about being out of country for a month, IRON members can check the Gone Fishing thread. My activity dropped across the board, not only here. Still I tried to post whenever I got the chance, but apparently asking to look at people who RCed but cannot be verified or absolutely not contributing anything otherwise, is considered distracting town. Yehom agreed too with me on that but I bet you wont consider he was distracting town too. Or our opportunist player named Kitkat who was agreeing with me on the same while ago, but somehow is onboard with TW's (same as AbT's) list and doesn't waste time or his brain cells before jumping on me.

 

So TW and AbT, if now I am back and can spend more time here, will you consider moving me up on the list and push down at least another "MIA" player LS below me? Or do you want me to RC just for the sake of it, even though it wont help town AT ALL and probably cant be verified? Also other than my activity, I would like to know what incriminating evidence you have that I am scum that you all are wasting no time putting me at L-2, 7 days before deadline, with the full knowledge that there are 2 ww left and they can hammer me anytime they want and end the day prematurely? Whats the plan then when I flip town? My wagon analysis wont give you any clue either as you guys started it.

 

 

While I'm pretty sure everyone believes you, that you got no time to contribute, it really does not change that most important fact: that you've not been contributing to much. Also:

 

 - Yes, apparently repeatedly stating that RCed people should be questioned, while you could use that time to question them yourself, but for some reason you didn't, is distraction.

 

 - Yes, I wouldn't consider to put Yehom in the same spot as you (up to this point), because even though he didn't contributed during the day talks, he was actually able to show a story that put him on the town side.

Its like, when truly 100% confirmed town starts acting scummy, he will be told to stop, yet when unconfirmed person does the same he'll get lynched (for the record it's just an example and not a precise description of the current situation). I sincerely hope you see the difference.

 

 - There's no incriminating evidence on anyone right now and if we were to vote only on such people, we'd go no lynch after no lynch and then loose a game. As a town it's your job to look for scum and at the same time being reasonable when someone is suspecting you. Sulking isn't going to take you anywhere.

 

- Since we're not in LyLo there's no way 2 ww will jump the wagon just to hammer you and end the day prematurely. They'd get themselves in a precarious situation and risk getting lynched on the next day.

 

Also I am finding it extremely laughable how AbT posts 3 questions to SM and after one post immediately clears her, without any of his questions actually being answered

 

They were answered. You should pay more attention.

 

Also now that you're being active, at this point I'm finding Kitkat to be more suitable lynch target for today.

 

unvote

 

vote: Kitkat