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[Ali bin Turban]

Rafay's wagon were seeing today is obviously worthless. Brewers got in little to fast with his revelation. He should have waited for 1-2 days to see how people would act and then drop his news. What we have is the wagon that was formed at the end of D2.

 

Rafay (4): Yehom, Colonel Medved, Brewersalliance, Lord MK

 

That was one person short from actually lynching the Rafay. So assuming Rafay's a scum, I don't think they were scums trying to squeeze in a lynch of their own the very end of the day (there's always a possibility they could buss him, because if Rafay's a scum, he's only good for bussing him...but I think that's much less probable)

 

Closest to being confirmed:

- Brewers: I'm pretty sure he's town. He wouldn't sacrifice himself for the sake of killing Rafay.

Assumption that he's a scum trying to bus his partner raises a lot of questions. Why would he go as far as almost to RC to get Rafay? Why would he want to rush busing his fellow scum partner? Let's assume Mafia wants to bus Rafay and there would be 2 wagons today: one on Rafay and one on some other townie. If we lynch Rafay, that's OK, because mafia planned to do so. But if we lynch townie then it's even better for mafia, since they got townie and still can bus Rafay on the next day.

 

List of possible good guys (basing on the fact they almost got Rafay lynched on D2).

- Yehom:

- Colonel Medved

- Lord MK: Plays a little scummy, but was on the Rafay's wagon on D2

- DarkFox: first vote on Rafay today, just before Brewers revelation.

 

Feeling townish so far:

- Rhizoctonia

- Mandarijn

- KevinH: Rafay's words are worth nothing.

 

Here's special place for me:

- Ali bin Turban

 

The unknown rest:

- Atliis: Claiming to know something. We don't know whether it's because of his role or because of being a scum. If he's alive in 1-2 days we'll surely know (if he does not RC by that time with some information than it'll be suspicious).

- SeaBeeGipson: Didn't vote Rafay, but start pushing him right of the bat...but still that does not mean much.

- Lachiton:

- Kitkat16: I'm not fan of his comments today. Might be a scum not knowing what to do (like he fells Rafay's salvageable, but does not entirely believes it).

- Jazzy95: Awfully quiet

- Samus: Awfully quiet. Rafay's random vote does not add him any credibility.

 

Scum:

- Rafay

[Lord MK]

I think there's already a (couple of) scum on the lynch wagon of Rafay.

Noob question I am going to infer that scum are mafia right pretending to be town right? If that is what you mean I agree.

Not exactly.
Scum is slang for mafia.
Another word for it, basically.

[Lord MK]

well, well, well.

@rafay, who did you jail last night?
i would love to know that.

also, it's D3.
RC are acceptable at this point. although RCs not relevant to the ongoing discussion are not encouraged.

If a player reaches the majority and is hammered there would not be a mod-kill for activity.

well, this is reassuring.
so as soon as everyone makes their stand clear, we can lynch rafay.

Vote: Rafay
just so in case i forget

So suggesting role calla are okay, when it really would hurt town more than help right now, and trying to end the day early? Feels scummy to me

Why does everyone got the idea that RCs are bad for health?
Mafia can at most kill one person.
And in a game of this scale, the chances of scum randomly hitting PRs are very high.
If someone does come forward with info they think will prove critical, that actually helps town.
If no one comes forward, then if they are killed at night, their death would be in vain.

[Lord MK]

The Warrior
Can we please get a vote count?

[Lord MK]

(Unofficial)

Vote Count

Rafay (6): brewersalliance, DarkFox, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, atliis, Lord MK
Brewersalliance (1): Rafay
Ali bin Turban (0):
Atliis (0):
Colonel Medved (0):
Darkfox (0):
Jazzy95 (0):
KevinH (0):
Kitkat16 (0):
Lachiton (0):
Lord MK (0):
Mandarijn (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Samus (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):
Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Samus, Yehom



With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, May 4th.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 

well, well, well.

@rafay, who did you jail last night?
i would love to know that.

also, it's D3.
RC are acceptable at this point. although RCs not relevant to the ongoing discussion are not encouraged.

If a player reaches the majority and is hammered there would not be a mod-kill for activity.
 

well, this is reassuring.
so as soon as everyone makes their stand clear, we can lynch rafay.

Vote: Rafay
just so in case i forget

So suggesting role calla are okay, when it really would hurt town more than help right now, and trying to end the day early? Feels scummy to me

Why does everyone got the idea that RCs are bad for health?
Mafia can at most kill one person.
And in a game of this scale, the chances of scum randomly hitting PRs are very high.
If someone does come forward with info they think will prove critical, that actually helps town.
If no one comes forward, then if they are killed at night, their death would be in vain.

 

 

 

And here he is, continuing to push RC's when they're not needed.  Most people here know when to RC or not to RC or worth it, you only continue to make yourself look scummy

[Lord MK]

I think there's already a (couple of) scum on the lynch wagon of Rafay.

Rafay (6): brewersalliance, DarkFox, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, atliis, Lord MK


Atliis, is a bit of a dark horse.
However you sort the players, mafia will have at least one experienced player for to the sheer size of the players playing.
So they would stop atliis from doing what he did.
Or they must have thought that town will pass whatever he does as noobie mistake.

DarkFox was on Rafay before brewer's outburst.(As AbT said)
But this could have been because of the fact that Rafay claimed and is still here.
I mean, if i were the doctor, i wouldn't protect rafay anyday.
Leans more to the town.

Colonel Medved - went offline after his vote on rafay, except to pop up and say that rafay is ignoring the game, when this is obviously clear.
Leans more towards mafia.

Brewersalliance- is the originator of today's discussion.
So that seems townish.
But he should have waited 2-3 days for everyone to take their seats before revealing his cards. (As AbT pointed out)
That reduces his townie points as that's a deep level push towards early ending of the day.
I did push for a early day closure, but that was more on the superficial surface.
Information like what you revealed is sure to get town to form a bandwagon on Rafay.
And knowing that most people would quickly dogpile on him, this can be taken as a push for early ending of the day.
So at this point, he is in neutral territory.

SeaBeeGipson - The only excuse I can muster is you're scum, trying to save face by saying "mafia is framing me, because they didn't kill me."
Well, that could be true.
I mean, if i am on the scum team, i would have recommended letting Rafay go.
1) The frame angle.
2) he is Rafay, he is sure to get lynched tomorrow.
I would have went with Canik as scum did, as Canik was the #1 reason why scum failed last game.(or the game before?)
Besides, he appears too townie.
So just denying that route to Rafay is just wrong everywhere.
Feels scum to me.

Lord MK - plays scummy, so i don't know.

[brewersalliance]

 

 

well, well, well.

@rafay, who did you jail last night?
i would love to know that.

also, it's D3.
RC are acceptable at this point. although RCs not relevant to the ongoing discussion are not encouraged.

If a player reaches the majority and is hammered there would not be a mod-kill for activity.
 

well, this is reassuring.
so as soon as everyone makes their stand clear, we can lynch rafay.

Vote: Rafay
just so in case i forget

So suggesting role calla are okay, when it really would hurt town more than help right now, and trying to end the day early? Feels scummy to me

Why does everyone got the idea that RCs are bad for health?
Mafia can at most kill one person.
And in a game of this scale, the chances of scum randomly hitting PRs are very high.
If someone does come forward with info they think will prove critical, that actually helps town.
If no one comes forward, then if they are killed at night, their death would be in vain.

 

because right now they (maybe even you)  are guessing at who has what power role.  If we start coming out and saying what our roles are they (still maybe you) can chose easier who to target/not target and hit a more powerful role.  no one should role claim unless they absolutely have to or there is vital information for the town associated with the role claim.   

 

there are just a lot of factors with MK here.  First his comments about Rafay on d2 seemed a bit off.  He was claiming Rafay is always saved and he is the only one to call Rafay out.  This was only after it was pointed out that Rafay was in danger of being mod killed.  So Rafay was potentially about to be killed by TW.  If that happened, we would have all seen Rafay flip scum.  MK could then claim he was all for killing Rafay early, so therefor he must be town.  Plus it was pretty obvious from the start of the game that Rafay is not popular with the players for the game because of his game play style, so it would be a safe bet that even if he wasnt mod killed, Rafay would be lynched early game.  And with Rafay actually being scum, if MK is his partner, MK could have been trying to preempt this by busing away from Rafay before he was know to the group as scum.  Its great cover for MK and I think combining that with him pushing to not only end the day early today, but to also have town PRs role claim (which at this point would pretty much ONLY help the scum), MK is currently my #1 suspect after Rafay is taken care of

[Lord MK]

well, well, well.

@rafay, who did you jail last night?
i would love to know that.

also, it's D3.
RC are acceptable at this point. although RCs not relevant to the ongoing discussion are not encouraged.

If a player reaches the majority and is hammered there would not be a mod-kill for activity.

well, this is reassuring.
so as soon as everyone makes their stand clear, we can lynch rafay.

Vote: Rafay
just so in case i forget

So suggesting role calla are okay, when it really would hurt town more than help right now, and trying to end the day early? Feels scummy to me

Why does everyone got the idea that RCs are bad for health?
Mafia can at most kill one person.
And in a game of this scale, the chances of scum randomly hitting PRs are very high.
If someone does come forward with info they think will prove critical, that actually helps town.
If no one comes forward, then if they are killed at night, their death would be in vain.

And here he is, continuing to push RC's when they're not needed. Most people here know when to RC or not to RC or worth it, you only continue to make yourself look scummy

I don't actually want to push anyone to RC. But if you are adamant that i am, then it must be true.

well, well, well.

@rafay, who did you jail last night?
i would love to know that.

also, it's D3.
RC are acceptable at this point. although RCs not relevant to the ongoing discussion are not encouraged.

If a player reaches the majority and is hammered there would not be a mod-kill for activity.

well, this is reassuring.
so as soon as everyone makes their stand clear, we can lynch rafay.

Vote: Rafay
just so in case i forget

So suggesting role calla are okay, when it really would hurt town more than help right now, and trying to end the day early? Feels scummy to me

Why does everyone got the idea that RCs are bad for health?
Mafia can at most kill one person.
And in a game of this scale, the chances of scum randomly hitting PRs are very high.
If someone does come forward with info they think will prove critical, that actually helps town.
If no one comes forward, then if they are killed at night, their death would be in vain.

because right now they (maybe even you) are guessing at who has what power role. If we start coming out and saying what our roles are they (still maybe you) can chose easier who to target/not target and hit a more powerful role. no one should role claim unless they absolutely have to or there is vital information for the town associated with the role claim.

there are just a lot of factors with MK here. First his comments about Rafay on d2 seemed a bit off. He was claiming Rafay is always saved and he is the only one to call Rafay out. This was only after it was pointed out that Rafay was in danger of being mod killed. So Rafay was potentially about to be killed by TW. If that happened, we would have all seen Rafay flip scum. MK could then claim he was all for killing Rafay early, so therefor he must be town. Plus it was pretty obvious from the start of the game that Rafay is not popular with the players for the game because of his game play style, so it would be a safe bet that even if he wasnt mod killed, Rafay would be lynched early game. And with Rafay actually being scum, if MK is his partner, MK could have been trying to preempt this by busing away from Rafay before he was know to the group as scum. Its great cover for MK and I think combining that with him pushing to not only end the day early today, but to also have town PRs role claim (which at this point would pretty much ONLY help the scum), MK is currently my #1 suspect after Rafay is taken care of

Ok, well. At least I am safe till then.

[brewersalliance]

 

 

 

 

Brewersalliance- is the originator of today's discussion.
So that seems townish.
But he should have waited 2-3 days for everyone to take their seats before revealing his cards. (As AbT pointed out)
That reduces his townie points as that's a deep level push towards early ending of the day.
I did push for a early day closure, but that was more on the superficial surface.
Information like what you revealed is sure to get town to form a bandwagon on Rafay.
And knowing that most people would quickly dogpile on him, this can be taken as a push for early ending of the day.
So at this point, he is in neutral territory.

 

 

Ok so to add to what I previously said about MK. Apparently MK thinks I am trying to end the day early-which by the way accoriding to MKs logic makes me being town less likely, even though MK admits in the very same post to trying to end the day early himself-even though I stated multiple times to keep rafay under the 5 votes needed to lynch him at deadline in order to keep the day going.  The only reason for you to say any of this is to attempt to hurt my credibility.  I dont think anything ive done this game, including calling Rafay out, should call the credibility inot question.  Especially considering if Rafay flips town and it turns out i made this entire thing up, who dies next? Me. And with 1 townie dead, why on gods green earth would I trade potentially 25% of the scum players (assuming there are 4 scum in this set up) for 7% of the town, and that townie that would be targeted is near the bottom of the barrel for these so called "townie points".  Speaking of townie points... by saying someone earns them just always feels scummy to me.  Its like you are trying extra hard to point out you are town by awarding people credit for doing things.  if you are town, you dont need to do things like that.  but as scum, you need to damn straight make sure people view you as part of the town.

 

As far as you saying I should have waited 2-3 days to come out and say it, I truly dont know if I believe you mean that.  First off, you only said it after ABT said it, which means its already a shared opinion with someone that you can use to potentially attack my credibility.  Secondly, I fully believe in striking while the IRON is hot. (see what i did there )  Lets say I wait 2-3 days.  Then i am going to be called out for waiting, and why didnt u tell us right away, blah blah blah.  If anything, waiting would have hurt my credibility (which you seem so desperate to do at the moment)

 

In no way am I saying that MK must be scum because god forbid he looks into me.  I am saying that the totality of MKs actions, INCLUDING some strange reason to lower my credibility, which in turn could potentially lead to the town second guessing voting for Rafay puts him as my #1 suspect.

 

Sorry for the rant/thoughts all over the place.  I am at work and piecing it together as I try to work at the same time lol

[Lord MK]

So you are saying that i am trying to protect rafay as well as bus him under at the same time?
Why would I do that?
I may do one of it, but both?
That would be defeating the purpose of each other.

[brewersalliance]

Well your actions would seem to be along those lines, so yes.  Which in turn makes what you have been doing/saying even more perplexing to me.  Now granted in my limited games with you, when you were town in those games (or maybe it was just one game) you did play fairly scummy as town, so it could just be your game play style, but to me, you currently hold the stop of top suspect

[The Warrior]

Due to the forum being down, day 3 will be extended 5 days. Deadline is now 1:00pm on Wednesday, May 9th.

 

Vote Count

 

Rafay (6): Darkfox, Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, Atliis, Lord MK

Brewersalliance (1): Rafay

Ali bin Turban (0):  

Atliis (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Darkfox (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Lord MK (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Samus, Yehom

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, May 9th.

 

Currently in danger of mod-kill:

[Rafay]

Due to the forum being down, day 3 will be extended 5 days. Deadline is now 1:00pm on Wednesday, May 9th.   Vote Count

 

Not cool. If you wanted me out, you could've asked me not to play. The deadline has passed. I should've been safe.

 

I jailed KevinH both nights btw.  

[The Warrior]

 

Due to the forum being down, day 3 will be extended 5 days. Deadline is now 1:00pm on Wednesday, May 9th.   Vote Count

 

Not cool. If you wanted me out, you could've asked me not to play. The deadline has passed. I should've been safe.

 

Umm..

 

It is now day 3.

 

Vote Count

 

Ali bin Turban (0):  

Atliis (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Darkfox (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Lord MK (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Atliis, Brewersalliance, Colonel Medved, Darkfox, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Lord MK, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Samus, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, May 4th.

 

Today is Thursday. The original deadline for day 3 was Friday (tomorrow). If I wanted you out I wouldn't have sent you an inactivity reminder on day 2 before you were about to be mod-killed.

[Ali bin Turban]

Brewersalliance- is the originator of today's discussion. So that seems townish.

But he should have waited 2-3 days for everyone to take their seats before revealing his cards. (As AbT pointed out)

That reduces his townie points as that's a deep level push towards early ending of the day. I did push for a early day closure, but that was more on the superficial surface. Information like what you revealed is sure to get town to form a bandwagon on Rafay.

And knowing that most people would quickly dogpile on him, this can be taken as a push for early ending of the day.

So at this point, he is in neutral territory.

 

What you say, it does not make sense to me. He surely could have played his cards better, but not doing it is not causing him to be less townish. By clear analogy if a cop comes out at the beginning of they day and says, "hey folks, Mr X is a scum", would you put him into neutral territory (which means possible scum!) because he jumped to soon and everyone piled on the wagon?

 

Secondly he's not responsible for bandwagon growing. He shared the info, but people are not mindless robots. If they jump on the wagon, they do it on their own account. Should it happen that day will end too soon, that last few will answer for it, not Brewers.

[Rafay]

Vote Count   Rafay (6): Darkfox, Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, Atliis, Lord MK Brewersalliance (1): Rafay Ali bin Turban (0):   Atliis (0): Colonel Medved (0): Darkfox (0): Jazzy95 (0): KevinH (0): Kitkat16 (0): Lachiton (0): Lord MK (0): Mandarijn (0): Rhizoctonia (0): Samus (0): SeaBeeGipson (0): Yehom (0):   No Lynch (0):   Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Samus, Yehom   With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline. Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, May 9th.

 

This is exactly the moment town loses. Mark my words. 

[brewersalliance]

Vote Count   Rafay (6): Darkfox, Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, Atliis, Lord MK Brewersalliance (1): Rafay Ali bin Turban (0):   Atliis (0): Colonel Medved (0): Darkfox (0): Jazzy95 (0): KevinH (0): Kitkat16 (0): Lachiton (0): Lord MK (0): Mandarijn (0): Rhizoctonia (0): Samus (0): SeaBeeGipson (0): Yehom (0):   No Lynch (0):   Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Jazzy95, KevinH, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Samus, Yehom   With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline. Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Wednesday, May 9th.

 
This is exactly the moment town loses. Mark my words. 

How does the town lose? Even if by some chance I am making this entire thing up, and you are town, that means we would only lose one townie and still have me to kill tomorrow, so either way a scum would die

[KevinH]

Too many people "know" Rafay is scum.  Somewhere in the mix is the very definition of bussing.

[Yehom]

This is exactly the moment town loses. Mark my words. 

Heard that one before. Also that post quoting TW made absolutely no sense what so ever, so what was up with that? Are you going to make a defense for yourself or was this it? It's sad honestly that even after so many people asking over and over again what's up, you refuse to straight up play this game in any shape or form. 

 

Now that the forums are back up again, I'd like to hear some thoughts of people that haven't really chimed in the discussion that's happening right now. I'm looking at you guys @DarkFox @Mandarijn @Jazzy95 @Canik @Samus. Rafay surely is dead to rights, but this back and forth between MK and Brewers is interesting. I agree with MK that Brewers' reveal concerning Rafay was kind of weird, because I don't really think it was very necessary to reveal that kind of information as of right now (Brewers confirmed that Rafay was not a jailer). However bad plays happen, it doesn't entirely discredit Brewers, but it does look a bit rushed. On the flip side MK has been acting really shady, making some weird statements himself (always pushing for Rafay lynches in multiple games, which was refuted by some people). He really wants to make people believe he's town, pushing it almost which really has an opposite effect as of now in my eyes. 

 

Also isn't Jazzy in danger of being mod killed? He only has 7 post in 3 days. Did you forgo the modkilling D3 because of the forum down period @The Warrior?